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Dan Staeck/Upon This Rock

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RodentRodent    7,466 posts
edited January 2013 West Australian Racing
I was on Mabel Grace so I'm very happy BUT why would a very experienced jockey go out like that into a headwind on a heavily backed shorty? If I'd been on it I'd be fuming. How can you bet with any confidence when that gets dished up?
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    edited January 2013
    Doesn't Staecky ride for the trainer of Mabel Grace a lot? Bit of a no brainer trying to explain those tactics. Looked very clear to me what was going on by about the 800m pole.
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Just saw a trotter named after the majority on this site.... Friendsinlowplaces.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    did colin back mabel grace?
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    FILP for short :))
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  • TomSmartsTomSmarts    124 posts
    Rodent said:

    I was on Mabel Grace so I'm very happy BUT why would a very experienced jockey go out like that into a headwind on a heavily backed shorty? If I'd been on it I'd be fuming. How can you bet with any confidence when that gets dished up?

    Gai would have rung them this morning telling them to do that.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    TomSmarts said:

    Rodent said:

    I was on Mabel Grace so I'm very happy BUT why would a very experienced jockey go out like that into a headwind on a heavily backed shorty? If I'd been on it I'd be fuming. How can you bet with any confidence when that gets dished up?

    Gai would have rung them this morning telling them to do that.
    not a chance scotty.
    but it IS all piecing together.
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  • obrienrbobrienrb    630 posts
    Mabel weight special...staecky making sure of it for his mate durrant.
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    Another thread requiring the twighlight zone theme song
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    that's probably where he should be sent.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited January 2013
    I just cant work out why all these jockeys aren't driving Benz's with all the money they are supposedly earning

    surely the Trainers are involved in all these rorts ;), if not why keep putting them on
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  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    edited January 2013
    Actually a fair few do drive cars the equivalent thereof. ;)
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    It was just a terrible ride by Staecky, who overall had a shocking day, he's very much a confidence rider and when he rides poorly he can ride some shockers at times but when he rides well he usually rides brilliantly.

    It was an arrogant, overconfident and bewildering ride but there was nothing sinister about it, he just had a brain snap.
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  • HitmanHitman    146 posts
    Oh ok ,brain snap.
    Dont worry about it then.
    Must remember that next time .
    Watch out for jocks brain snapping
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  • RodentRodent    7,466 posts
    Andrew, you are either naïve or you're telling pork pies.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    No it's just that I'm not a bad judge like some on here clearly are and who are sore losers and I don't consistently blame others like you do for your lack of ability. Oh and by the way I had something on Miss tipsy topsy in the race straight out and had the quinella multiple times with the favourite so I am not talking through my kick.
    Rightly or wrongly jockeys are prone to making mistakes at times as they're human and Staecky rode an extremely arrogant and overconfident race
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    andrew why are you presuming all those that don't agree with you are losers(sore or otherwise)?

    i had something on mr moet, global flirt and pop culture, so i am not talking through my kick when i say i am very happy mr moet did not win.

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    Carey I am talking about the idiots such as Rodent who reckon Staecky necked Upon This Rock, I also backed Mr Moet in the Cup substantially, well substantially for me and I'm very glad it didn't win as I would have felt ashamed to be collecting.
    Fortunately I had something very small on Babieca Noire in the last and got my Mr Moet money back as I've been following Babieca Noire and was on it for a good result last start when it should have bolted in.
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  • DesperadoDesperado    148 posts
    Rodent.... An idiot????.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    he is undoubtedly a very good rider.
    so yesterday is just an aberration you think?
    what do reckon a fair amount for aberrations is?
    good riders 'aberrate' much less than bad ones don't they?
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    So a horse (Mabel Grace) in the past that has struggled over a metre further than 1600m is now suited by very solid speed over 1800m, these statements by the no idea conspiracy theory brigade are getting more bizarre by the minute.

    Lets see how the fact compare to this conspiracy theory nonsense, Mable Grace's further than 1600m record, 25/11/2009 unplaced in a 1675m bunbury maiden, 5/6/2010 2nd btn a 1/2 length as 4/5 favourite in 62-74 Belmont 1650m event by that champion danish conquerer, 21/5/2011 3rd btn 1.5l in 80+ rating 3yo and up Belmont 2000m 80+event by Sense Of Purpose and Amberlyn in a six horse field as $3.20 second favourite, 4/6/2011 7th btn 4 1/ 2 lengths to Sense of Purpose Belmont 2100m in a 80 + rater as the $5 equal second favourite with its next attempt over anything further than a mile only occurring yesterday.

    Yes, of course you would deliberately go out and set a very solid tempo for it knowing confidently that it would strongly run out a step further than a mile.

    In fact the trainer was so impressed by the mare's middle distance prowess that in its15 starts (includes yesterday performance) since that failure over 2100m that he raced it over a mile three times prior to yesterday for a belmont 1600m win on 28/4/2012 beating Our Ol Fella, a non winner, by 1.5 lengths (Our Ol fella despite being consistently thereabout hasn't seriously looked like winning a race since that day), 2/6/2012 a Belmont 2nd in a 1600m 86 + rater when convincingly btn 1.5 lengths by that star Brother Patrick as a 1.75 favourite and its last start unplaced effort when 6th btn 4lengths by Upon This Rock over 1600m.
    So yes with form like that and an outstanding record over further than a mile, you would definitely go out and set a fast pace in order to set up a race for a horse with such a proven record over the trip, I suggest you go back to the drawing board mate.


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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Yes in this case Rodent regardless of whether you respect or don't respect him has made an idiotic statement.
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    Andrew Carter said:


    arrogant, overconfident and bewildering...

    Well, Andrew, credit to you for that honest assessment. It can't have been easy for you.

    Oh, hang on, you were talking about Staeky.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Staecky had a bad day and when he rides badly it tends to compound itself during the day, he got btn on the favourite in in the first after being made to work to find the front and things went downhill from there.

    In my opinion jocks who regularly ride more than 2 or 3 poor races out of every ten mounts over an extended period of time I don't really want to know about them .
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Amy that was easy to say as that was exactly what it appeared like at the time and still does to a certain extent but when youthink about what happened with Texan maybe its not such a surprise and he was having a very dirty day prior to that even occurring as I've said previously when Staecky rides bad he can ride very poorly at times, generally however those really bad days are few and far between.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,474 posts
    does anone know Gai well enough to ask he what she thought of the ride?
    or the stable rep. who was here with the horse?
    eastern state journos would be onto the stable rep. like maggots onto a mutton chop....and even ringing Gai..
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    a maiden of 3 years ago. =))
    one thing i don't need is you telling how to do my job, thank you very much.
    and i asked you a simple question, it just needed a simple answer without the ranting.
    a great record over 1600, and if you were smart enough to know what you are looking at you would also know further would likely be no problem.
    time for you to find something you are good at, at please nothing analytic or you will be in big trouble.

    mabel_grace.jpg
    1680 x 1050 - 1M
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    1680 x 1050 - 1M
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Looked like a normal tommy berry ride of late.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited January 2013
    Beaten very average horses over a mile in general and been gifted several of those races in addition to being soundly btn by some very average horses over anything further than a mile, so no it's not a horse I would be charging into over further than a mile in any great hurry.
    In saying that it was very well weighted yesterday and the classier well performed horses are hugely advantaged every year by the weight conditions of that event.
    The fact that it outstayed Miss Tipsy Topsy suggested that Miss Tipsy Topsy was still short of a run as its appearance to me in the mounting yard indicated that and it ran accordingly. It was the winner on the corner and for once when I was on Whiting had done everything right.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    she was always going to be in up to her ears.
    the way the race panned out, the favourite had none, thus her chances increased markedly.
    whatever the reason.
    also, the distance was never going to be a problem in that grade, or even stronger imo.
    and of one thing i am sure, my opinion is better than yours. =))
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Wouldn't have thought so Carey, how many $15 shots have you declared on air that got the money and threw in a 50/1 placegetter in the same race for good measure nor would I think have you consistently done form and markets for arguably betfair's biggest operator for the toughest four day racing carnival in the world virtually every year.
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