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The rail in true will take care of a few again on saturday

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[DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
edited November -1 West Australian Racing
Its a pity the rail will be in the true with the case again being if u are not on the 3m pad u cant win again hope its different this weekend for punters but going on past most of the time this does not happen.As i wont be having abet will not worry me but will watch with interest.Ascot would have to be the only track in australia that runs most of its good races on a bias track because of the rail being in true.Good luck to all i hope it plays fair to all invovled and is a level playing feild for all.We live in hope.

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  • FoolsGoldFoolsGold    148 posts
    You are dead right Mailman.

    It is a disgrace that so many of the feature race days are ruined here in Perth by the 'fast pad' on the inside with the rail back to the true position.

    Pointless entering a horse unless you draw well.
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    Its a pity the rail will be in the true with the case again being if u are not on the 3m pad u cant win again hope its different this weekend for punters but going on past most of the time this does not happen.As i wont be having abet will not worry me but will watch with interest.Ascot would have to be the only track in australia that runs most of its good races on a bias track because of the rail being in true.Good luck to all i hope it plays fair to all invovled and is a level playing feild for all.We live in hope.

    i concur, and the horses you would expect to lead and take advantage of it, will probably be back last or thereabouts.
    it a weird weird place.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Really Darlington Abbey should be $2.50 and Miss Solis $5 with the track bias there will be
  • FoolsGoldFoolsGold    148 posts
    agree funkster. DA is a moral in my book.

    It will be charge of the light brigade. El Rijes, Miami Horror and DA to find the fence!
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,486 posts
    i've got a gutty that something a bit rough will win it.
    have no idea who though... :?
  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    The fast pad is there as u say because in 2007 when they changed the track they added 3m to the inside of the old track.Making that pad alot faster because its different ground. I would also think the camber does not kick in till the rail is in the 3m also.Maybe even the 6m meaning u have to cover to much ground to get any sling shot off it.By the time u get going they are off and gone.I know a metro track had a issue that was same many years ago and they now call the 1m possy the true.Just a pity they dont do same in perth i dont know how trainers and owners cop it and just put up with accepting that when they put hours of time and money in to getting a winner.To not even get a level playing field to start with.Getting a race horse to win is hard enough u dont need any extra numbers being added to the board before u start.A level playing field is all that is asked for.Sadly that never seems to happen or is even looked at and some punters will be betting on saturday unaware its even there.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    said:

    i've got a gutty that something a bit rough will win it.
    have no idea who though... :?

    King of the roughies our man Falcon
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    said:

    i've got a gutty that something a bit rough will win it.
    have no idea who though... :?

    Sold half my share in my runner after his last start - so probably him ! :?
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    they might water the inside pad to offset the bias!

    Mailman, just back the front runners if you're worried about the bias. Leave the good fight to the owners that own back markers!
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    they might water the inside pad to offset the bias!

    Mailman, just back the front runners if you're worried about the bias. Leave the good fight to the owners that own back markers!

    yes but how do know who is going to lead?
    and if they go like hell or not....mmmn it is wa so maybe that does not count!

    and is a certain horse going to be up there this week if it starts?? please god say yes! :lol:
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    mine are always up the top! :lol:
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    mine are always up the top! :lol:

    yes, but carey is getting old and perhaps dementia is starting!
    it was tomorrow, the horse i was thinking of, and how well it looked suited to my eyes, and its, well, it's scratched! :oops:
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Reckon it is only getting easier for DA......but may put a few on Miami Horror in case it finds a way to make the distance 8)
  • whitewashwhitewash    81 posts
    I'm over Ascot and have been for a couple of months now. Can't wait for Belmont always seem to do well there.

    I gonna save my money and bet on Sundays. I always seem to have more fun.

    I've been at the Ascot Saturday meetings 4 out of the last 6 weeks and over it.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    said:

    mine are always up the top! :lol:

    yes, but carey is getting old and perhaps dementia is starting!
    it was tomorrow, the horse i was thinking of, and how well it looked suited to my eyes, and its, well, it's scratched! :oops:
    oh.....him....
  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Well done to the staff and all invovled on saturday track played out standing and fair for all invovled i got it wrong and happy to say so well done to all.
  • squid69squid69    1,434 posts
    said:

    Well done to the staff and all invovled on saturday track played out standing and fair for all invovled i got it wrong and happy to say so well done to all.

    Yes Mailman they did do a good job with the track for sure. There were doubts, they were proven not to be.
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    Well done to the staff and all invovled on saturday track played out standing and fair for all invovled i got it wrong and happy to say so well done to all.

    Yes Mailman they did do a good job with the track for sure. There were doubts, they were proven not to be.
    there is a first for everything.
    there is no doubt the track had been off every time rail reverted to true.
    perhaps they did something or other to try and alleviate the obvious after finally realising what was happening.
    or maybe they just read mailman's post and the penny finally dropped.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    It was so good to hear on racing radio yesterday about the extra work they did to aerate the inside of the track, and how that allowed the watering to penetrate into the ground.

    Wonder if it might have been a good idea to release that info to the punters sometime before the racing began???? Or maybe it was and i just wasn't looking in the right area for that information!!!!!
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    said:

    It was so good to hear on racing radio yesterday about the extra work they did to aerate the inside of the track, and how that allowed the watering to penetrate into the ground.

    Wonder if it might have been a good idea to release that info to the punters sometime before the racing began???? Or maybe it was and i just wasn't looking in the right area for that information!!!!!

    Truly astonishing if that's correct.

    Maybe next time they'll install some quicksand on the 3 metre pad, you know, to even it out, and not tell anyone about it before hand

    Sure are doing a fine job of making it harder and harder to bet
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    It was so good to hear on racing radio yesterday about the extra work they did to aerate the inside of the track, and how that allowed the watering to penetrate into the ground.

    Wonder if it might have been a good idea to release that info to the punters sometime before the racing began???? Or maybe it was and i just wasn't looking in the right area for that information!!!!!


    telling the public after the event, is par for the course all over australia.

    it is interesting though, how could they be sure that aerating it would have the desired outcome?

    why was it never done previously, when every man and his dog could see the racing was patently unfair?

    did it ensure the track was a level playing field, or did the leaders suffer consequences of it?
    i am inclined to think leaders did worse than they normally do.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Agree totally that the outcome would still be an unkown, but if after race 3 on a day where it wasn't as hot or windy as it had been all season...i may have slightly altered my way of thinking..As it was i kept looking for the front runners thinking that the preparation had been done the same as in the past and therefore the better front runners would come to the fore as the day wore on...

    But i also agree about some of the front horses...what in the hell happened to Caiguna????

    Just would be nice to know these sort of things on the track report...Dead 4, inside running positon aerated...

    But it is easy after the event...It could get out of hand...would they then have to advise when weeded, sprayed, cut , etc, etc, etc....

    Just an observation that in this instance it may have played a part on a fairly big day for the club. And it is obvious (now) that they did it in an attempt to soften up the inside running position, but didn't advise the betting public that they had done something that could've pottentially changed the racing pattern...
  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Common sense would fix all this as i see it move the rail to the 3m and call it the true problem solved.The problem with common sense is its very uncommon.In saying that its no reflection on track staff who do a good job overall its not their job to get track stuff out its the job of perth racing to make shore that stuff hits air waves and sites.I put in a phone call yesterday to track manger nice bloke told me to ring any time am happy to answer any question u have so there is no issue there the issue is with people getting that message out to public.Its a process he has been doing every year for a few years on same day to soften the inside for the babys on there big day.Its a bit like the betfair ideas nsw racing has they think they have won they have no idea as to how far off the mark they are as far as waging goes and what it will do to turn over long term.Just watch part 2 of the punters show to get some idea of this.I think these guys forget who are paying the wages long term its the punter the person who drives the whole ship but once again no one seems to care much about that.Well as the pie starts to get smaller insize they will be forced to one day other wise there will be nothing to run.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    said:

    It was so good to hear on racing radio yesterday about the extra work they did to aerate the inside of the track, and how that allowed the watering to penetrate into the ground.

    Wonder if it might have been a good idea to release that info to the punters sometime before the racing began???? Or maybe it was and i just wasn't looking in the right area for that information!!!!!

    Truly astonishing if that's correct.

    Maybe next time they'll install some quicksand on the 3 metre pad, you know, to even it out, and not tell anyone about it before hand

    Sure are doing a fine job of making it harder and harder to bet
    like

    (I think when we redevelop, we're getting a like button). :lol:
  • FoolsGoldFoolsGold    148 posts
    I am amazed that this sort of information wouldn't be made available to all the public. Patterns can be gleaned from earlier races but not all punters are in a position to watch every race before a feature for example.
    Aside from protecting punters what happens if some connections in big races know more than others about exactly how the track has been prepared during the week. I am not saying this happened on the weekend, but lets face it racing organizations are hardly the 'tightest' organisations when it comes to keeping info in house. It wouldn't be a stretch for some connections to know someone at Perth racing / RWWA for example, or know a friend of the track managers who unknowingly passed on information that gave them an unfair advantage regarding the preparation of the track.


    [/b]Can I emphasise that I am not suggesting this has happened on the weekend merely highlighting the potential for it to happen in the future if all information is not made available to everyone.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    we've seen they are very "hot" on the same sort of thing happening in footy. ie players leaking team positions before game day, even unwittingly.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,486 posts
    thats an entirely different kettle of fish, matt.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    not sure it is such a different kettle falc.

    its info privy to some, which can be misused or used to advantage if it is leaked to some and not to others.

    thats why they should publish anything they do to the track, on race morning.

    I looked up the watering of the track Saturday morning and it said No Water Added 31/3 but the rating was Dead 4.
    So, that means they watered the buggery out of it the day before. Plus, it sounds like they did something else to it, succumbing to the pressure that industry figures had placed on them to produce a fair track.

    thats fine, but they should have published how much water the day before and whatever else they might have done.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    It is different but not totally different..If a preparation for a big day has been changed from the normal and it is leaked to a few it could alter the betting pattern of those it is leaked to. Or the running intention of horses

    If it is given to all, it takes away any advantage an individual may get from it...whether it be a punter, trainer, owner or anyone. I really thought that if there was any prepartion made that was different to the normal it could be incuded in the track condition report on the morning of the races, like the penetrometer reading.

    ie..dead 4, 10mm of water added on Friday night, penetrometer 6.5 and inside running track aerated.....
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    not sure it is such a different kettle falc.

    its info privy to some, which can be misused or used to advantage if it is leaked to some and not to others.

    thats why they should publish anything they do to the track, on race morning.

    I looked up the watering of the track Saturday morning and it said No Water Added 31/3 but the rating was Dead 4.
    So, that means they watered the buggery out of it the day before. Plus, it sounds like they did something else to it, succumbing to the pressure that industry figures had placed on them to produce a fair track.

    thats fine, but they should have published how much water the day before and whatever else they might have done.

    they have a web site in case they have forgotten.
    surely it's not too hard to do, well for it shouldn't be if they cared.

    also i would wonder what the penetrometer readings said.
    if they take the reading at 3 widths, i would be surprised if the inside reading was not a lot higher.

    also was the aeration for the entire circumference or just the straight?

    not the only place to treat the punters with disdain, but that's not an excuse is it.
    clever people that cared would make it their 'point of difference' from other places that don't give a stuff either.
    they could even have a motto......"WE CARE"!!! :roll: :roll:
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