J MAC Whack Whack

FairCraic69 · February 13

Well Well J Mac copped a 20k fine for Excessive use of the whip, he went back to appeal with Cap in Hand and the fine was doubled to 40k, I'm Surprised any Leading WA Trainers have come out in the news saying James was hard done by...

I tried to count the whacks looked like about 15 to me So that's about $2666 per whack.

If Mick Dittman or WA's Kempy got fines for the same they would have ridden for Free their Entire careers.

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Tucool · February 13

Either use the whip or ban it. I can give reasons for both, but to lengthy for here. As for me as stated I'm a each way bet.

tony · February 13

While the fine was doubled the original suspension was reduced to 6 days meaning he will not miss any Saturdays

Thoroly_Bread · February 14

Stupid.

Manchild · February 14

The whip rule must be standardized for every state. NSW, Vic &QLD are different so make standard across all states.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 14

One of the rare ones sit on the fence with. I’m 50/50 on it.

Do know this though - not a case of if the whip going completely only a matter of when and in about 500 years time if the world still going people will rightfully or wrongfully say - i can’t believe they used a whip on race horses back then they must have been so uncivilised to have done that.

For some too even with padding - a whip is still a whip.

At school got hit with something similar for running amuck - no padding and it bloody hurt - did me good - however still think that’s something good that’s changed. Don’t need it.

Horse racing - i don’t know but that argument of why aren’t protests upheld more often is a good one. Then out of the blue they will uphold one!

Punting wise if lost a race due to the whip rule that’d be enough to give it away. Not such a bad thing 8-X

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 14

Recall reading an article by Damian Oliver and was very surprised was all for getting rid of the whip. Was shocked but if a jockey as outstanding as him says that and he’d be in the top 5 I’ve ever seen then you sit up and take some notice.

Just for the record and only for retired hoops - in no particular order. Favourite five. Could be many more others too.

Rod Kemp
Damian Oliver
Darren Beadman
Shane Dye
Darren Gauci best apprentice ever!

FairCraic69 · February 14

Ridersonthestorm33 I hear your pain...

Although the whip might not be needed soon Anyway as I have heard some Trainers say female riders have Beautiful Palmolive Hands, and they are kinder to horses,

I know what you're thinking TV Add in the 70's Yep — Madge the manicurist from the classic Palmolive dishwashing detergent ads.

She was a no-nonsense nail salon lady who’d soak Women clients’ hands in a bowl and then deadpan say: “You’re know you're soaking in it.”

FairCraic69 · February 14

Riders, C'Mon Cobber I feel I have to take you task with D Gauci best apprentice ever!

Gee Whiz Malcolm Johnston won 3 Leading Jockeys Titles in his 5 year apprenticeship to Theo Green and Cop this had 47 Suspensions during that time for careless and similar offences on and off the track Stuff Up's.

No Doubt Gauci was a Pretty Rider but MJ Was The Punters Pal I think he was on Cover of Racetrack about 10 Times

psycho · February 14

FairCraic69 said:
Riders, C'Mon Cobber I feel I have to take you task with D Gauci best apprentice ever!

Gee Whiz Malcolm Johnston won 3 Leading Jockeys Titles in his 5 year apprenticeship to Theo Green and Cop this had 47 Suspensions during that time for careless and similar offences on and off the track Stuff Up's.

No Doubt Gauci was a Pretty Rider but MJ Was The Punters Pal I think he was on Cover of Racetrack about 10 Times

Chuck in Wayne Harris also to that list

savethegame · February 14

Fair Crac. remember backing Miracle Mal running third in Melb Cup on Medici an outsider. ,
Mal would over racing telling you how good he was, his Greatmate Ken Russell was totally the opposite. and better bloke you wouldn't meet.

Still get the humour when I told Mal never forget when he lost both irons at the start on Count Zarpotia had his doog ball coping hammering, the next race was Summer Cup he was indisposed Stewards report said M.J.was stood down to serve bruising and swelling to the genitalia area.
.He said stuff I didn't think anyone would remember that let alone in middle of W A.
Really got him on the chewy when I said when I feeling down I would put the VHS on & watch that replay.
""Champion"" thinking 53 suspension's seems alot but alot Nz.Jocks have had near on 100.

savethegame · February 14

N/Z Chris (magic) Johnson 107 suspensions retired/ Opie (Dopey) Bossom sits on 98 suspensions

Tucool · February 14

I have to say I have seen the different trends in whip use for over 50 years and although the spectacle of windmill use looks the part it is not the difference between winning or losing, more often than not it is a detriment to performance.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 14

The hoops say for the unruly types the “persuader” is a must. I don’t know.

Yes Wayne Harris stg read a good article on him well over 20 years ago and couldn’t believe the injuries he received, my goodness he’s fortunate to be alive from some very serious falls etc. His courage was unbelievable and came back so many times culminating in a fantastic Melbourne Cup winning ride on Juene…took the quinella 10 times with him and an outsider - handy stayer from NSW Oompala for all money was going to run second a furlong out and Paris Lane ( Damian Oliver ) kicked back and held second.

Malcolm Johnston outstanding too - think they’re the guys to ask about the whip etc - be interesting to know what they think and as said Damian Oliver in an article he’s happy to see it go.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 14

I’d say about 97% of excessive whip protests are dismissed.
3% approximately been upheld.

The reason dismissed because can’t say for certain would’ve made any difference to the result. So the 3% upheld did make a difference ? Unsure how that’s worked out.

Don’t think any race should be lost due to excessive whip use however there’s a compelling argument mounting from the other side that it should.

The next time one is upheld will be interesting to see. I’d dismiss the lot of them but with reservations. It’s hard for the stewards to win here.

Manchild · February 15

Re " Pretty Riders " Gauci had a great seat & balance & so did Mal Johnson , Very hard to split.

I loved watching both.

Manchild · February 15

What about Higgins , George Moore & our own Frank Treen.

thefalcon · February 15

and our own Frank "Tiger" Moore.

i stand corrected but i think they both took their lives.

FairCraic69 · February 15

Tiger died of natural Causes, Treen'y sadly Didn't...

savethegame · February 15

IMO. Frank Treen & Phil Coulson at the trots were moulded into position in there respective codes.

Tiger Moore had brother George Moore who by all reports was just as good, but was bad asthmatic shifted to Goldfields for the climate had alot success Dual Licence.

spinking · February 15

Brent Thompson was leading New Zealand apprentice at 16 I think before he crossed the ditch and teamed up with CS Hayes . Think he ride 4 cox plates before a successful overseas sojourn

savethegame · February 15

The Babe hated riding in perth reckon they rode far too tight. he was Champion apprentice rode over 3,000 winners 50 odd group one winners.

The 1983 Perth Cup Tom Brown job (little Auk) was to ensure it was a fast pace for Bianco Lady well all he done for first 2200 metres got in Thompson's way. which led to him taking off at the 1000m it won by six..

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 15

Recall 15+ years ago Damian Lane rode 4 or 5 winners at Bunbury on Melbourne Cup day was one of the best riding exhibitions ever seen because every win was a peach of ride.

No surprise to see him riding Group 1 winners in Japan with huge crowd numbers on track sometimes 100,000.

Something has to improve on though is from a dozen or so rides in the Melbourne Cup yet to run a place…it’s a bet been tempted to contact Ladbrokes on - the odds of Damian Lane to ride a Melbourne Cup winner in the next 10 years - always had a gut feeling he will.

FairCraic69 · February 15

Ridersonthestorm33

Mate I reckon Damien Lane would be 7-2 or $3.50 Digital to win the Cup in the Next 5 Years So if you Ten's IL have some of that...With You

FairCraic69 · February 15

Actually made a Blue there $3.50 digital is 5-2 we dont get the stake back any more So we need $4.50 to get the true 7-2

FairCraic69 · February 15

Damien Lane has a Fair racing pedigree, Dad a fair Jock and good trainer Mum a Caterino I think and at one stage Step father G Harper So Lots of Knowledge given to the young man

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 16

Some of those long range ( almost ridiculous bets ) have come off, Ladbrokes in the past were renowned for accepting them not just racing and sport -things like the odds of finding aliens on mars!

Another thought of at the time was Steffi Graf and Andre Agassi their first child to win Wimbledon before turns 25. They probably would’ve only given you 7/1 and have to wait 25 years to collect that’s if all going well!

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 16

This would’ve been a good long range bet - righto it’s 1979 and racing dominated by male hoops especially in Group racing. Took ages for a female to get a ride in some of these Group races let alone win one.

25/3/1979 - Dear Ladbrokes I’d like the odds please of a female jockey WINNING the Perth Cup, Adelaide Cup, Caulfield Cup, Melbourne Cup, Brisbane Cup and Sydney Cup before the year 2030.

One of those races you’d still be sweating upon before you collect your 1,000,000 to one ticket which one :-?

Arapaho · February 16

Brisbane Cup

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 16

Hope haven’t missed anyone here…

Adelaide Cup - Clare Lindop and Rochelle Milnes

Perth Cup - Kyra Yuill and Lucy Fiore

Sydney Cup - Rachel King

Melbourne Cup - Michele Payne and Jamie Melham.

Caulfield Cup - Jamie Melham

Brisbane Cup - Yet to happen

Clare Lindop in winning the Adelaide Cup in 2006 became the first Australian female hoop to win a Group 1 in Australia when the Adelaide Cup was a Group 1 led all the way on Exalted King around 10/1 - 12/1.

Thought she may have been the first lady jockey to ride in the Melbourne Cup - wrong was Maree Lyndon.
Rachel King also won a Group 1 Japan recently.

Wonder where all those punters have gone that used to say won’t be backing that it’s got a “girl” on it.

Ridersonthestorm33 · February 16

Do read some press that says Clare Lindop was the first female jockey to ride in the Melbourne Cup I thought the same but don’t think they went back far enough and it was Maree Lyndon.

Finally the penny has dropped - Lindop was the first AUSTRALIAN hoop and Maree Lyndon a Kiwi was the first female jockey in 1987 to ride in the Cup.

Clare Lindop also won the Victoria Derby on the 100/1 chance Rebel Raider. She was outstanding.

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