Length of Prep

silky · May 2016

How long do most trainers keep their youngsters in work for? We have a 2yo that was broken in for 5 weeks last year and then sent for a 8 week spell. He's second prep went for 25 weeks without trialing. He was gelded during that time but stayed at the stable in work but then went shin sore.
Edit - Has anyone had a longer first prep than that?

DamienWyer · May 2016

25 weeks and didn't get to a trial ?

were they using the 'pay up and shut up' method of training ?

thefalcon · May 2016

second prep...6 months!!

wake up, silky...

jum · May 2016

SILKY, SILKY, SILKY :-O

What you are saying is, 25 weeks training lets say at $2000 a month(which is cheap). =$12.000.

And you have not got to a trial. Surely there has been an explanation from the trainer or manager of the syndicate. Six months and no trial with no explanation is TOTALLY unacceptable mate.

RIO · May 2016

6 months in stables do happen, especially as they made the decision to geld him during it. But it isn't the normal and you'd expect 3-4 weeks in there somewhere they were only charging you a spelling fee, as it would have been recovering from being gelded.

Whoever is sending you the bills to pay should be able to explain exactly whats going on(if they haven't then talk to them!!!)...6 months is a long time for a young horse to be in work, and generally too long if it hasn't been trialing or racing.

Legless · May 2016

if there are no setbacks then it should be trialing at 10 weeks, 12 at the most.
How long was it in work for at the point it lost it nuts?

silky · May 2016

It started its first race prep in early Sept, was gelded mid January and turned out shinny late Feb when it was nominated to trial the following Monday.. Horse charged at full rate the entire time in work. Every time I talked to the trainer I was told horse is going well and he was very happy with it. Mid Dec trainer said he is close to trialing and we just have to get a name sorted(horse was syndicated by the trainer). Mid Jan name is sorted and the following week he needs gelding. 5 weeks later shinny and in the paddock.

Legless · May 2016

:-? doesnt sound right on the surface however bit hard to say without knowing exactly what was going on.
If it was me I would have a few questions - tbh would probably have asked them weeks ago :-??

silky · May 2016

I was genuinely curious as to whether a 1st prep might drag on this long with some trainers. Ive raced horses before but only with 2 other trainers. Like @Legless mentioned 10-12 weeks seems like the average time to get a horse fit to trial if they've had a decent spell or starting from scratch. Paul Jordan can get them up and going very quickly.

RIO · May 2016

silky said:
It started its first race prep in early Sept, was gelded mid January and turned out shinny late Feb when it was nominated to trial the following Monday.. Horse charged at full rate the entire time in work. Every time I talked to the trainer I was told horse is going well and he was very happy with it. Mid Dec trainer said he is close to trialing and we just have to get a name sorted(horse was syndicated by the trainer). Mid Jan name is sorted and the following week he needs gelding. 5 weeks later shinny and in the paddock.

that is unusual to say the least....nah fug it I'll be my normal brutal self.You've been screwed. 4 1/2 months (19 weeks)and it should've already been trialing, racing and then in the paddock having his balls cut out. Not much you can do now, but yet another expensive learning experience.
Bad luck Silky, hope it comes back in 5 months and wins 7 in a row for you...then again it'll need to too cover the 25 week training bill....
;))
Oops, only joking mate...maybe there is a good excuse, but I'd like to hear it cos i'd have no way to explain to any of my owners a 25 week prep and no trial....
:-??

rooboy · May 2016

Should buy a share in Wakaha Kid Silky!
WK does not worrry about preps mate.........straight into it!

Sorry mate had a **** day after i had a good go on Grey Enigma and then gave it back to the yappa's!

~X(

Good luck Silky and i hope you have some joy like the gang on here!

thefalcon · May 2016

gelding is normally a straight forward procedure..u often see horse race 2 or 3 weeks after.

no psychological problems.. its like having a tooth out...

jum · May 2016

the falcon said:
gelding is normally a straight forward procedure..u often see horse race 2 or 3 weeks after.
no psychological problems.. its like having a tooth out...

Farkin Bullshiit Falc, I got gelded 8 Months ago. My nuts blew up like an Islamic suicide bomber.

Worst pain I have ever been in my life. And I have MAJOR psychological problems over it

:((

Its like having a tooth out

=))

spinking · May 2016

I am like most of the above Silky you have in my opion been the one that has been gelded. Seems a extraordinary amount of time to been in work without getting to a trial, I would be asking some serious questions of your trainer. As Rio stated somewhere in there they would have had to back of him for at least a short time when he got nutted in that period at least you should not have been charged full rates . If I may be as bold to ask Silky what area is the horse trained in ie Ascot Lark hill , the reason being I have heard a similar story not so long back . Jum I only liked the above post of yours because of the way you put it not the pain it caused you

jum · May 2016

spinking said:
I am like most of the above Silky you have in my opion been the one that has been gelded. Seems a extraordinary amount of time to been in work without getting to a trial, I would be asking some serious questions of your trainer. As Rio stated somewhere in there they would have had to back of him for at least a short time when he got nutted in that period at least you should not have been charged full rates . If I may be as bold to ask Silky what area is the horse trained in ie Ascot Lark hill , the reason being I have heard a similar story not so long back . Jum I only liked the above post of yours because of the way you put it not the pain it caused you

All good mate. I m over it now and can see the funny side of it. Was not funny back then but.

silky · May 2016

spinking said:

spinking said:
I am like most of the above Silky you have in my opion been the one that has been gelded. Seems a extraordinary amount of time to been in work without getting to a trial, I would be asking some serious questions of your trainer. As Rio stated somewhere in there they would have had to back of him for at least a short time when he got nutted in that period at least you should not have been charged full rates . If I may be as bold to ask Silky what area is the horse trained in ie Ascot Lark hill , the reason being I have heard a similar story not so long back . Jum I only liked the above post of yours because of the way you put it not the pain it caused you

the horse is trained at Ascot

Chelsea · May 2016

Sounds like you were taken for a major ride Silky.
Normal for us is breaking in 6weeks approx,then spelled for about 10/12 weeks during.which time is gelded.
Then back to work, with everything going well,trial 9-10 weeks.
Anything outside those approximate guidelines you should be asking questions

spinking · May 2016

Silky that was where the one I mentioned was trained as well, cant say anything here for possible risk of legal action. But am seriously thinking your horse may be with the same trainer, as I said to my mate who told me of his experience 15 or 18 weeks in work still didn't trial may be time to move on to a new stable

paraletic · May 2016

To be honest, i have heard the same thing years ago, horse trained at ascot was broken in after being floated from the GC sales, short break then in the stable for long time until race debut around April. I question the owner at the time but he was like nah its all good. Horse went on to win 70k in that prep.

spinking · May 2016

I hope for the Silky that his can repeat that effort

RIO · May 2016

having said all the above it can happen. Maybe it is just a communication deficiency on behalf of the trainer.

I mean I normally allow 5 weeks for breaking in, but this year I have had one done in 4 weeks and another one is in its 4th week and probably will go for up to 7 weeks. But I know why, have visited and talked through the issues and understand totally why the time is so long, and the other so short.. Flat rate for breaking so no extra costs.

And I have had horses that have had up to 20 week first preps with no trials. But I knew why, and it was all okay and understood. I reckon there appears more of a communication issue than necessarily a "delinquent" trainer issue....but maybe I am working on the glass half full theory as well.

Whoever sends you the bill (trainer, major owner, syndicator) make sure you ask them, and not accept a flopsy crap answer.. Irrespective of who they are. It may be the hardest piece of crap horse they have ever had anything to do with!!! And as a shareholder you should know that stuff.

silky · May 2016

Thanks for the feedback guys. Horse is back in work now so ill be more on the front foot with the trainer this time in. I'll let you know if the horse goes any good

jum · May 2016

Good Luck Silky :-bd

whereamigoingwrong · May 2016

Well I normally have 12 weeks max with the people's I use. Saying that I recently had 10 months of shit from a wanker of a pre breaker trainer. No updates, no accounts, no trial what a laugh. No time of as she is a filly 3 years old. Horse returned looking like shit, trained 2 thirds of every month even when she had a fracture. Not paying said he would take me to court good luck. Never have dealt with this guy before. And from the beginning he said she was shit. Looks like he tried to rape me. First time I have in all my time with horses been really pissed off, if I could name & shame I would.

thefalcon · May 2016

^^^^ but you are a very astute and canny man...... :-?

whereamigoingwrong · May 2016

the falcon said:
^^^^ but you are a very astute and canny man...... :-?

I thought so too, I was told it would be broken in, then spelled & back to trainer.

Thoroly_Bread · May 2016

Who's the trainer Silky?

silky · May 2016

Thoroly_Bread said:
Who's the trainer Silky?

I'm not going to name @Thoroly_Bread

thefalcon · May 2016

fair call, silky.... :-SS

G'day Punter!

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