GP 10th July.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

R1: No1 Sprinter does look the obvious leader and winner but leave me out at the $1.25. I've been really taken by the last two runs of No7 Natural Disaster, I think he can drop out early and run past a lot of them. $3 a place is attractive to me. No2 Mister Versace will drop straight in behind the leader and just has to match it's first run to be a massive top 3 chance. If the odds are right I'll be having a decent go at these 3 in the Quin and having them as standouts in tris for varied units.

R2: I don't have a firm opinion in this, the $5 and $1.50 that was initially available Zenart would have been attractive for a 1 by 2 bet as I think he is loaded with talent, wether talent alone will get him past the stable mate with the ground he is likely to be looking to make up time will tell.

R3: I initially thought No8 Snappy Rufus could get across to the breeze easily and run a massive race. After reassessing I just don’t know that he can settle over the trip. Avalon Bromac isn’t one of my favourites and I see him having to do a fair bit in the run with Snappy Rufus being in the dominant position. In this class he could go 3 wide solo and win it but it will be without me. I’m really liking the backline. I see them all getting to the fence and getting super soft runs, gaps opening up and all of them weaving and dive bombing late. I will be backing the one out of 10,11,12 that is paying the most and maybe playing the novelties them beating the 8 and 9 exactas if the odds look good.

R4: The new Hall runner No11 Cyamach has competed against some very good ones. Doesn’t guarantee anything but be good to see it go around. I wouldn’t be backing anything else in the race or it on speck.

R5: I would think Jay Bees Grin should be letting Onedin Crusader across to maximise its chance to earn. I don’t know that I’ve ever backed a K Sheehy winner but I’m willing to have a go here.I know the stable have declared their intention to lead with the 1 but I really think that the lead is Onedins and the race is his for the taking. Happy to have a go at the $6. A lot of junior drivers in this, sometimes that leads to carnage. There are some horses in this that are flying but if they did happen to go mad I think Hez The Bartman could pull one out of the blue.

R6: Rightly or wrongly the Hall camp have declared there intentions to try and lead with Soho Highroller. It certainly adds interest to the race. Can he hold David Hercules? Does Morgan just come out evenly and rate Herc in the breeze? Mike Reed said he wanted to try and get a forward spot with Libertybelle Midfrew as well. For me at the $8.50 on Sportsbet you have to back No5 My Hard Copy EW. I see him possibly ending up 1 out 2 back coiled up with electric sprint ready to charge. He will definitely get his chance and is a massive play at the EW odds.

R7: Only 5 fillies going around now but some talent amongst them. No1 Dodolicious is the obvious stand out choice as it looks to be the leader. Sheer Rocknroll looks likely to have to breeze in this and I can’t see it getting over Dodo doing that. I'm a big wrap for Dame Puissant, should get to see it in the 1,1 following Sheer Rocknroll. If the price is right I may have a little on the dame to topple the Dodo, will need some speed on but I’m expecting a massive sprint.

R8: Am loving how Lies A Lot has been going and am expecting to go even better with a sit. To me there is no obvious leader here so that should help with some speed for the 11 and drawn one of the fence she should be in a great spot. Can't believe there was $26 available and $18 is still available.

R9: No3 That’s Rite and No4 Glenferrie Rustler look to be the ones vying for the lead. I think Glenferrie can actually get across and even if he can’t I think he can sit outside the 3 and beat him. Will be backing him in at the $4 with 365 as I just think he has a bit of a class edge.

R10: Good luck to all.

The quad saved my night last week and I think the early quad might be worth a go1,2,7/1,8/9,10,11,12/11. $24 for the unit.

Good luck to anyone having a go, looking forward to an enjoyable night as I'm pretty confident of getting a good sight from my selections.

Chris · July 2015

I'm following you in Gilgs.

nosoup4u · July 2015

race 1 very close to the tri!!!

Chris · July 2015

Pretty massive Cyamach

Gilgamesh · July 2015

Thought Cyamach was gone coming into the bend.

Hasn't been ebjoyable watching for me so far. Nosed out of the tri in the first, horse didn't go as well as I thought it would unfortunately.

Barrow Street draws to get the beautiful soft run on the pegs which is absolutely the place to be at the moment but they drag him back and lead up the 3 wide line, complete opposite!

Then Onedin gets 3 quarters across, would have liked to see her almost tap him up before the mobile sped off. Then Jnr does that on a NOTED SIT SPRINT horse who has shown he only has a 400m at best sprint when there is a NOTED BREEZE horse. He has been doing that far too much lately, when he just rated Cyamach 3 wide I was wrapped because I thought something had clicked with him but no. All he did there was destroy his chances, Onedin Crusaders chances and Jaybes Grin's chances.

He has to be asked what was he thinking and the answer needs to be more than they were going too slow. Even if he got across to the lead he would have stopped because that horse just can't sustain a sprint like that.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

Bang!!!! Awesome watching! Love the track, love the racing love it all hahaha.

Seriously though how good is My Hard Copy, that was just amazing.

Chris · July 2015

Of course I missed that one :'(

MorganJames · July 2015

I thought it was disgusting ...The team driving is an absolute disgrace..
How did Kim "get the job done " Prentice give his horse every chance to fill his best possible placing...
All he did was drive his horse to beat David Hercules...

Gilgamesh · July 2015

Chris said:
Of course I missed that one :'(

Bugger!!

Gilgamesh · July 2015

I know My Hard Copy got around the bend beautifully but there have been a few horses that have hit it and it really looks like they've hit a wall. Almost like they're running up a hill. I'm not liking it.

JayJay · July 2015

My Hard Copy thrives on a fast pace up front....and he certainly got it. Hall Snr telegraphed the tactics, it weren't no national secret and we all should have lined up to get on MHC because David was never going to get the lead. Is it team driving?? I don't know but can understand that there is a case that Soho Highroller was driven to be a patsy for Machtu and MHC and not driven to it's own best advantage. But the best horse probably won, so ......would be a hard case to prosecute.

JayJay · July 2015

On the other hand, Why Live Dangerously as Gil said, a 2 furlong sprint horse, driven like he was Gammalite.....and set it up for Vapour. I have a new rule ....where Hall's or the Bonds have multiple runners (3,4, 5 or 6), invest not one cent. Not that my miserable investments would affect turnover but it does restrict you to about 2 betting races per night.Very hard to work it out for both the punter and the stipes.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

JayJay said:
On the other hand, Why Live Dangerously as Gil said, a 2 furlong sprint horse, driven like he was Gammalite.....and set it up for Vapour. I have a new rule ....where Hall's or the Bonds have multiple runners (3,4, 5 or 6), invest not one cent. Not that my miserable investments would affect turnover but it does restrict you to about 2 betting races per night.Very hard to work it out for both the punter and the stipes.

I agree JayJay, that was the rule I had set myself as well but after hearing of the intentions to lead with Soho had to be on MHC.

To a point I can side with Snr with his thoughts that if he just handed up with Soho Highroller he was no chance of beating. You have to just look at each horse in isolation though, was Soho Highroller any chance of running anywhere in that race not handing up? Probably not.

twiggy · July 2015

Hi Gilgamesh, I like what you offer the forum and it's great that you still have such a passion for the trots...and better backed the winner..but if you can't see and acknowledge what is wrong with that race then you will never in the longer term win on the punt at the 'red hots'. How was Soho Highroller given any? If this was a Perth racing forum 'in the old days'...cries that the syd mob were race rigging would be heard from here...and I'm in Sydney. Please it's an embarrassment to the industry.

Chariotsonfire · July 2015

I still think they are making a mockery out of it almost with the consent of the stewards. There is no that you can convince me that Soho Highroller leading was in the best interests of that horse filling its best possible position but it and Prentice did their job before running 6th.

There is no doubt that it was in the best interests of the stable but that is not the rule.

I am another that virtually does not bet when these circumstances exist.

Notabadexcuse keeping out Erskine Range a few weeks back was in the exact same category.

twiggy · July 2015

Chariotsonfire, any hope you can be appointed chief steward. Finally someone who understands. Pacing is finished in WA and nobody at RWWA has any idea.... sadly nothing can be done about it. Whether it's handicapping conditions, team driving or...it's all the same...nothing to see play on. What's the casino take out...lol

JayJay · July 2015

For Soho to win leading, going at a 1.55.7 rate, not in a million years. So, simply putting it out there that you intend leading doesn't excuse the tactic. In effect, Hall Snr was saying that Soho was going to be driven to ensure David got beaten and given he had 6 other runners and Liberty Belle going very poorly and the rest no chance, it was a matter of if I stitch up David, then one of mine wins. Chariots, a mockery is spot on, especially the Notabadexcuse exhibition. But proving it beyond reasonable doubt to, ultimately an appeal board....well, good luck. I think all you would get would be that awful, superior smirk on the face as they ride off into the distance.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

twiggy said:
Hi Gilgamesh, I like what you offer the forum and it's great that you still have such a passion for the trots...and better backed the winner..but if you can't see and acknowledge what is wrong with that race then you will never in the longer term win on the punt at the 'red hots'. How was Soho Highroller given any? If this was a Perth racing forum 'in the old days'...cries that the syd mob were race rigging would be heard from here...and I'm in Sydney. Please it's an embarrassment to the industry.

@twiggy I don't disagree, many times here I've used the line about being given it's best possible chance to finish in its best possible position. I want that for every individual horse. In Soho High Rollers case it absolutely was to hand up to David Hercules. I'm mearly stating the other case here that they could be thst bad at the form they thought they could lead in this class.

There are so called experts around that claim the WA Pacing Cup was the grand circuit race of the season. I had to shake my head just writting that comment, just thinking of the race makes me angry/disgusted and in a way even sad. The race was destroyed, Herc was destroyed.

I'm not deluded, I see the massive problem. I watched the pacing cup with some people that love the punt and a couple that through friends who have had shares in a couple of reasonable earners who are no longer racing. I'd love to get that group together in a horse but there is no way I could get them into one now. We use to head out about once a month but they haven't been out since.

I have a feeling though the Hall camp would still try to argue that they were driving Torretto to try and win. That if they let David Hercules dictate there is no way TORRETTO could beat him. The problem is there was no way Torretto could beat him anyhow!!!! Like this and in the case of last nights race the stewarding is at fault. They need a strong form analysist so when things like this happen they stamp it out. It doesnt happen.

Just because a camp puts so much money in does not give them the right to do as they please, unfortunately the powers that be don't seem to think that way. I don't really blame the camp, I get angry when jnr drives a race like he did on Why Live Dangerously because I think he is a bloody good driver but of course it is going to happen if no one is pulling them in to line.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

Also have to say I've only watched it once but I thought Herc went unders. Has a horse won from the breeze since the referb?

JayJay · July 2015

Totally agree Gil...singing from same hymn book. The Pacing Cup/Torretto farce still sticks in my craw. And it hasn't got any better since then...same scenario, just a different cast of high priced NZ imports, that blow in and dominate for a while to be replaced by another draft. No denying however that MHC is a very smart horse ......when the race is run to suit him.
I watched the race again and David was on the surface disappointing...struggled a bit in the straight. The breeze might have returned to it's old moniker of the "death seat". I may be wrong but I recall Harold Park had a lot of camber on the turns and the death seat there was indeed the death seat.

Chariotsonfire · July 2015

Only one winner in four meetings has faced the breeze and that was Hidden Bad at $1.20 in a weak field.

JayJay · July 2015

Speaking of GP being a province of New Zealand with draft after draft of high priced imports dominating the show....last night, of the 95 horses that went around, 49 of them were NZ imports.....in race 5, the entire field (12 runners) have NZ next to their names, the first 4 home in the FFA were likewise. 8 out of the 10 races were won by NZ horses ...so what hope for local owner/breeders or trainers who haven't got substantial financial backing....it's not a new thing but is at an extreme, possibly breaking, point and ordinary Joe Blows won't bother. No one likes turning up every week to get their **** kicked and that in my view is a huge problem for the Trots.

AbbysAce · July 2015

If your taking $1,60 David Hercules when not going to lead with 7 opposition runners coming from the state's leading stable you have rocks in your head.

JayJay · July 2015

Agree.....and didn't. Got rocks in your head if you are actually betting on any of these races ...be it Hall or Bond or anyone else for that matter. The issue is are all of these multiple runners being driven to obtain the best possible finish or are they being driven to ensure the defeat of a particular runner? And thats what we have stewards for.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

@JayJay there is a bit on offer for the local guy who goes to the local sales or is a part time breeder, the problem is when did wa last breed a good horse? I know your the man for that sort of stat!! Have we even had any win our own cups? Saab??

It seems the little guy now has no show of winning M class races BUT the last race for example was there to be won. There are double prize money westbred C0's. They are trying something. Someone to breed some nice horse that race on to over 4 would be good

JayJay · July 2015

A cursory glance reveals very few WA bred feature race winners...most of the Lombo horses, though sort of WA bred were foaled in Victoria, so I'll exclude Tailamade Lombo, Lombo Navigator etc. Shattering Class also a Vic Bred, Flashing Red a Queenslander, Mon Poppy Day NSW. Gil, spot on with Saab (1999) being the last WA Pacing Cup winner bred in WA, Of the last 15 Fremantle Cup winners, only David Hercules is the only non NZ bred horse. Its a skinny list but Has The Answers, No Blue Manna, Lookslikelightning, Sensational Gabby (cleared to the USA on June 29th, so no breeding benefit there), The Whitby Horses, Zakara, Manageable, Tartary Gladiator and Tuxedo Tour but that's getting to the bottom of it. There will be some that I have missed but it is not a rosy picture. Spend big bucks in NZ or don't bother fronting up. And it's not like you can go to Albany or the back of beyond any more with the Bonds targeting Albany this year and cleaning up. It is true that the Westbred incentives are attractive but its not having the desired effect with only 120 odd yearlings in the sale and about half of them should not have been there.

Gilgamesh · July 2015

Yep need someone wo is pretty smart, extremely selfless and with a massive desire to turn this ship around.

JayJay · July 2015

They have killed off the small time country breeders. Jock Coleman bred from Dainty's Daughter, Alan Tuthill bred Timely Score, Mr Bele and Laurie Robinson breeding all those Admiral Way horses, Cass Haese and all the Alfa horses, Mr Rice breeding Nixon Adios and Silver Express, Binshaw was bred at Bunbury, Red Vicar and Vic Murphy, the Godeckes and a raft of local bred quality horses, Alan Mitchell and Chryso Mou, the Eddy's and Ozvarin, Frank Gilbert and Garry John, Satinover and Stan Joss and that hardly scratches the surface....crikey, we even bred Lady Be Cool from Gleaming ...that doesn't happen any more, its just not worth it. Costs, compliance, urbanisation, "rationalisation" of country racing. What a tragedy Sensational Gabby going to the USA.....would the Kiwis flog off Adore Me or would they keep her as a foundation mare? I don't know that it can be turned around...we are just a racing province of NZ Harness racing operating at Gloucester Park on their behalf.

Chariotsonfire · July 2015

Stewards concluded an inquiry into the driving tactics of Lauren Jones (SOHO HIGHROLLER) from Race 7 at Gloucester Park on Friday 31 October 2014. The Stewards were inquiring into the reasons how NORTHVIEW PUNTER NZ (Gary Hall Jnr) was able to find a position in the one wide line in advance of SOHO HIGHROLLER racing into the back straight on the first occasion. Ms Jones had explained that she had been concentrating on keeping SOHO HIGHROLLER balanced around the first turn as it was a gelding that had a tendency to over-race when pushed during the early stages of the race. At the resumption of the inquiry Stewards and Ms Jones reviewed the patrol films of the incident as well as the patrol films of the horses previous race starts. Ms Jones gave evidence that when she had driven the horse at Gloucester Park on 12 September 2014 she had allowed the gelding to stride forward during the early stages of the race and as a result it had raced fiercely for the remainder of the race. The Stewards had placed a warning against this horses racing record. Ms Jones further explained that since that race she had always driven the gelding quietly from the start and around the first corner until it becomes settled. Ms Jones highlighted to the Stewards that at Gloucester Park on 24 October 2014 being SOHO HIGHROLLERS only start for Ms Jones since over-racing she had driven the gelding the same as she did on the 31 October 2014 and had gone on to win the race. Ms Jones showed Stewards where she had lost ground on the runner she was trailing while she balanced the horse and allowed it to settle. Stewards noted the explanation of Ms Jones that she had driven SOHO HIGHROLLER consistently in an attempt to keep the gelding relaxed and prevent it from over-racing. In taking no action Stewards took in to account the horses racing characteristics and reminded Ms Jones that she must continue to drive consistently and competitively.

Is this the same horse that was driven to its best advantage by holding out David Hercules???????

JayJay · July 2015

It is apparently okay to drive him quietly and let him get balanced .....except when your trainer declares he will be driven out of barrier 1 and hold the lead........to keep David Hercules from leading, thus ensuring a fast pace to suit another stable rep who likes to get home off a hot pace. Treat us as fools and not for the first time. How can the panel be given any credibility given their consistent "noting" of drivers' explanations?

thefalcon · July 2015

its an untouchable stable, jayjay.

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