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Belmont return - 5th May

West Australian Racing
DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,949 posts
edited November -1 West Australian Racing
Looking through the nominations for Saturday, and there certainly looks to be some good racing on offer at this stage.
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Question for those on the handicapping train (ie Carey).

    Will Hibernian be allotted more weight if Big Ted doesn't accept in the 80+ 2000m race? Read the handicapping notes from RWWA and this is what is said

    MINIMUM TOP-WeIGhT AT ACCePTANCeS
    A minimum top weight at acceptances of 58kg is applicable to all handicap races. Where a horse is weighted on the declared
    minimum weight but would otherwise be allotted a lesser weight in the absence of a required minimum weight, the increase in
    weight shall be applied to the lesser weight.


    so....... does this mean the minimum is raised to 56kg......and we go to 58kg? or have i missed it completely....
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Am so far removed from knowing how to read the jargon on weights but seeing as it is a minimum of a rating 80 race, that all the ones on 80 or less would be 54 and then the weights would go up from there..So I'd say your weight would be unaltered as the race is based on a minimum at 80..

    have only replied so i can test my own understanding...will be good to get someone who actually knows the answer..Carey may be the man..he knows a lot...I'm in awe of his knowledge... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Love his anger at the system too 8)
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  • cruisercruiser    149 posts
    So if a race is 80+ and if the top weight happened to be an 80 rater, that means the whole field Is on minimum of 54kg
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    Question for those on the handicapping train (ie Carey).

    Will Hibernian be allotted more weight if Big Ted doesn't accept in the 80+ 2000m race? Read the handicapping notes from RWWA and this is what is said

    MINIMUM TOP-WeIGhT AT ACCePTANCeS
    A minimum top weight at acceptances of 58kg is applicable to all handicap races. Where a horse is weighted on the declared
    minimum weight but would otherwise be allotted a lesser weight in the absence of a required minimum weight, the increase in
    weight shall be applied to the lesser weight.


    so....... does this mean the minimum is raised to 56kg......and we go to 58kg? or have i missed it completely....

    if big ted does not accept hibernian gets 58.
    the minimum will stay at 54 more than likely.

    if big ted was the only scratching the weights should be as the last column below.....

    HIBERNIAN B 8 56 m84 58
    BOMBARD 11 54 m55 54
    CHESTER ROAD 10 54 m80 56
    ELECTIONEER 6 54 m59 54
    FINDING WATER 5 54 m57 54
    PIANITO 9 54 m49 54
    PINTADA PRINCE B 7 54 m77 54.5
    SUPER HAWK B 1 54 m80 56
    TIGERS INTHE WOODS 4 54 m61 54

    ....unless the handicapper reads this and wants to make carey look like an idiot!, but then he would be breaking their own rules.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    Am so far removed from knowing how to read the jargon on weights but seeing as it is a minimum of a rating 80 race, that all the ones on 80 or less would be 54 and then the weights would go up from there..So I'd say your weight would be unaltered as the race is based on a minimum at 80..

    have only replied so i can test my own understanding...will be good to get someone who actually knows the answer..Carey may be the man..he knows a lot...I'm in awe of his knowledge... :lol: :lol: :lol:

    my friend swooper told me a bit about you rio.......and it's ME in awe of YOU!!
    :lol:
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    said:

    said:

    Am so far removed from knowing how to read the jargon on weights but seeing as it is a minimum of a rating 80 race, that all the ones on 80 or less would be 54 and then the weights would go up from there..So I'd say your weight would be unaltered as the race is based on a minimum at 80..

    have only replied so i can test my own understanding...will be good to get someone who actually knows the answer..Carey may be the man..he knows a lot...I'm in awe of his knowledge... :lol: :lol: :lol:

    my friend swooper told me a bit about you rio.......and it's ME in awe of YOU!!
    :lol:
    ohhh..ummmmm... I wish he had drunk a bit more on that day and I'd drunk a bit less!!!!! :oops: :oops:

    We should concentrate on the racing..thanks for clearing up the handicapping stuff.... really appreciated.... :thumbup: :lol:
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Thanks for the insight Carey, intriging ....oh and the handicapping info is appreciated too :o
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,413 posts
    edited May 2012
    The Love Train is certainly rolling through this thread :kissy: :kissy: :kissy:
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  • Raff_2000Raff_2000    802 posts
    said:

    Thanks for the insight Carey, intriging ....oh and the handicapping info is appreciated too :o

    No matter whether it's 56 or 58 kilos he's allocated with HB I can't see any reason why Hibernian wont be in the finish once again. Back Markers seem to go especially well at Belmont too with the longer straight to wind up in.
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    The Love Train is certainly rolling through this thread :kissy: :kissy: :kissy:

    Exactly!!

    Is this still Perth Turf Talk or am i lost :oops:
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Yes a lot of love in the thread Slip..I would be a lot wealthier if that is where it had always been!!!!

    Chester Road may get my money in that one after his last run..Super Hawk cant possible keep on going, Hibernian is about 2 runs past having a break - just ask falcon.. No -one will have a clue how big Ted is going to run unless your on course 20 minutes before the race starts...so process of elimination leaves Chester Road... :lol: :lol:
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  • Raff_2000Raff_2000    802 posts
    Purely out of curiousity Rio what makes you think Hibernian is due for a spell at this stage of his preperation? Last time in he had 12 starts and this time in he's had 8.

    I think what your getting at (and I understand where your coming from too) is that because he backed up 3 weeks in a row at Mt Barker, Geraldton and Pinjarra he'd be due for a break?

    I think you could have made a very fair case in thinking that way but after having a nice 3 week break between runs he seemed to be back to his near best at Narrogin last start so maybe he isn't ready for a spell just yet. We'll probably know a lot more after Saturday though.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    said:

    Purely out of curiousity Rio what makes you think Hibernian is due for a spell at this stage of his preperation? Last time in he had 12 starts and this time in he's had 8.

    I think what your getting at (and I understand where your coming from too) is that because he backed up 3 weeks in a row at Mt Barker, Geraldton and Pinjarra he'd be due for a break?

    I think you could have made a very fair case in thinking that way but after having a nice 3 week break between runs he seemed to be back to his near best at Narrogin last start so maybe he isn't ready for a spell just yet. We'll probably know a lot more after Saturday though.

    I was having a dig at Falcon, cos he reckoned he was up for a spell before Pinjarra i think it was. After the mini break he was so close (again) in Narrogin.

    I actually reckon he will get a good run on Saturday and will be coming home well..Belmont has to be a better track for him..IMO.

    But after seeing Chester Roads run last week, i'm going to stick with him to hold them off...And the way i have been punting it may just be the bit of luck H-Bomber needs..me not betting on Hibernian as i have the last few starts!!

    Would never be brave enough to go against a leading trainer..if Adam reckons he's up for it...then that should be good enough..they don't get any bonuses for running horses into the ground!!
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  • Raff_2000Raff_2000    802 posts
    I suspected it was to do with that Rio but it's all just a bit of friendly harmless banter as far as I am concerned :lol:

    Like many back markers Hibernian will appreciate a good solid tempo out in front but from what I have seen of the field I don't think there are any riders that'll be overly keen for there horses to lead so he'll need more than his fair share of luck.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    should put danny on one of them... :wink:
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    said:

    should put danny on one of them... :wink:

    Could be the day to put him back on Big Ted and loosen the reins at the start of the race
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    I see the Bunbury BUTCHER !!! Yuill finally got the flick from Rose about bloody time
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    said:

    I see the Bunbury BUTCHER !!! Yuill finally got the flick from Rose about bloody time

    Good spotting...now who????? Smith has gone...
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,413 posts
    said:

    I see the Bunbury BUTCHER !!! Yuill finally got the flick from Rose about bloody time

    After a short journey the Love Train in this thread has just been derailed.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    said:

    said:

    I see the Bunbury BUTCHER !!! Yuill finally got the flick from Rose about bloody time

    Good spotting...now who????? Smith has gone...
    Hally or Ponty im tipping Ponty
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  • DownbythepalmsDownbythepalms    381 posts
    looking forward to seeing Return to Rio this time in!
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  • Raff_2000Raff_2000    802 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    I see the Bunbury BUTCHER !!! Yuill finally got the flick from Rose about bloody time

    Good spotting...now who????? Smith has gone...
    Hally or Ponty im tipping Ponty
    Ponty it is indeed.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Harvey on Rose and Rafferty.
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  • Raff_2000Raff_2000    802 posts
    said:

    Harvey on Rose and Rafferty.

    I see Rafferty has drawn on the fence again and i'm thinking the rival Jockeys will be trying to keep him pocketed for as long as possible.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Not often you see one drop 10kg from run to run....Pillow Time is down 10kg!
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    said:

    I see the Bunbury BUTCHER !!! Yuill finally got the flick from Rose about bloody time

    would be hilarious if she gets VERSCENE home :lol: :lol:
    k yuill still in my good books, sure she wont go home without a winner on saturday :)
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  • PunterPunter    947 posts
    said:

    Not often you see one drop 10kg from run to run....Pillow Time is down 10kg!

    54 is the minimum though. No claim.
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    The Tenby Friar and Be So Ryski all up place, Tenby back to 1300 and Smith back on Be So Ryski.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    At this stage Chester Road and Return to Rio!!!!!!

    Maybe slide both into Rafferty, although I'm not too confident on him..
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