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Belmont return - 5th May

West Australian Racing

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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    Nice to be back at a decent track. Leader almost pinched it and the backmarker got up=every horse gets its chance :thumpsup:
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    If this ain't upheld might as well give up
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    said:

    Nice to be back at a decent track. Leader almost pinched it and the backmarker got up=every horse gets its chance :thumpsup:

    it gives kyra 100m extra to find an opening!
    she needed it on theoria..
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  • squid69squid69    1,434 posts
    said:

    said:

    Nice to be back at a decent track. Leader almost pinched it and the backmarker got up=every horse gets its chance :thumpsup:

    it gives kyra 100m extra to find an opening!
    she needed it on theoria..
    A win is a win :)
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
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    If this ain't upheld might as well give up

    Protest - PROTEST DISMISSED - 4TH VS 2ND

    so you know.. :lol:
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  • cruisercruiser    149 posts
    I don't think return to rio will win this... Prove me wrong.
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    thrown a quoddie on for kicks
    metal man
    tenby
    riski
    fld
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    said:

    Not often you see one drop 10kg from run to run....Pillow Time is down 10kg!

    good spot, hope ya had a good piece of it!
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Return to rio 2 trials coming in only 1000m with a postage stamp on back and cant run a place.Tip connects save your self some money and give up if she could not run a place there dont know what future got what a cat.
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  • cruisercruiser    149 posts
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    Return to rio 2 trials coming in only 1000m with a postage stamp on back and cant run a place.Tip connects save your self some money and give up if she could not run a place there dont know what future got what a cat.

    Not up too this class
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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    Mavromata e/w in the next at $20's
    same margin beaten last start with the fav be so riski...
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,413 posts
    Terminado bless your socks or should that be hocks. Great place div and nice trifecta result and now hoping for two healthy all up place results in the last.

    My other roughie Mirranon was never going to be suited by pattern of racing today and ran accordingly.
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    I've been losing every Saturday and today I had a good day......must have been the goat track's fault :lol:
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Great day out all in all in the committee room, Hibernian ran a cracker, checkpoint(oh so close), kens double, terminado (thanks slip) and new time with the tri in the last. Matty knowland jagged 37 back for 10 on the punters club aswell. Oh and the bombers dominated. Great day, cheers PR
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  • SuburbanPunkSuburbanPunk    199 posts
    Well done to Matt Nowland with the Punters Club trackside.

    Always on a hiding to nothing with this form of punting but he nailed the quaddie today for a good result.

    Well done Tuppy.
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Hey Wes u seem like anice bloke thats fair on the breakfast show y dont u ask some of these riders if they can count fair question i would have thought Judging by race 7 i have my ideas on it over 38 for first 600m that is poor at best and has to be a worry for some involved over there.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    1 winner and several places, just wasn't enough to make it a winning day..Didn't see you in the gutter Bomber, but by the end of the day i was close to it!!!

    Good hospitality by PR..bit of a shame you couldn't get in the room before 2.

    Shame about your pony Bomber..and what beat it was my only winner!!!!

    Pretty happy with the Punting Club return...... best divy all day..
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  • SuburbanPunkSuburbanPunk    199 posts
    I had a punter say to me after Race 7 that Ned Coldbeck and Lisa Bivemark should have been fined for setting such a slow speed up front.

    In reality the pace hadn't been slowed at any stage in the race. The dawdling tempo had been set from the outset as nothing in particular wanted to lead.

    The result was Coldbeck 1st and Bivemark 3rd.

    I don't think these two jockeys did anything wrong by setting a slow speed up front.

    There is a switch in the mental state of mind that relates to initiative somewhat similar to what young Aaron Rogers did on Elle Choisit.

    Rogers may not have followed instructions but he showed some initiative. It didn't come off but he is learning, that is why he claims 3kg. If he had of won he would have been a genius.

    Doug Wilson has got the mare going well and she should soon win one in town.
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    You're spot on in my opinion SuburbanPunk. Coldbeck gave his horse every possible hope, what more could the punters (and stewards) want?

    The jockeys behind have the opportunity to change the pace at any time. Perhaps everybody apart from Coldbeck and Bivemark should have been questioned??

    I also heard people on course bagging Rogers for his ride (hence my post on here about it), but I personally love to see that sought of initiative from a young rider. Rogers would have had no chance if he stayed where he was, going 14 to the furlong.

    Too many idiots just talkin' through their kick.

    P.S. God Bless The Pontiff in the last.
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    What about the WA Derby? I couldn't find a slower time in the last 30 years. It was run at a snail's pace. Who won? Rohan. Where was he in the run? Stone motherless last. How did he do it? He crept into the race whilst they were walking as G.Smith allowed him to cruise up wide in the long straight section between the 1200 and 600. He was 5 wide but within a length of the lead at the turn without spending any juice. Outstanding judgement of pace and sensational tactics.
    Rogers whilst I commend him for his initiative went flat chat too far from home. His horse had to stop. At the pace they were going he should have made ground more slowly and cut loose at a distance from home his horse could sustain a sprint from.
    Either most WA jockeys are very poor judges of pace or they lack initiative or the pedestrian pace is by design.
    If I ever think it is by design, I will stop betting in WA in a heartbeat. The best way to "organise" a race is to have them crawling. The pea can then end up wherever they want it. I don't want the gallops races resembling red hots.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
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    What about the WA Derby? I couldn't find a slower time in the last 30 years. It was run at a snail's pace. Who won? Rohan. Where was he in the run? Stone motherless last. How did he do it? He crept into the race whilst they were walking as G.Smith allowed him to cruise up wide in the long straight section between the 1200 and 600. He was 5 wide but within a length of the lead at the turn without spending any juice. Outstanding judgement of pace and sensational tactics.
    Rogers whilst I commend him for his initiative went flat chat too far from home. His horse had to stop. At the pace they were going he should have made ground more slowly and cut loose at a distance from home his horse could sustain a sprint from.
    Either most WA jockeys are very poor judges of pace or they lack initiative or the pedestrian pace is by design.
    If I ever think it is by design, I will stop betting in WA in a heartbeat. The best way to "organise" a race is to have them crawling. The pea can then end up wherever they want it. I don't want the gallops races resembling red hots.

    Thats spot on aint big thinkers the lads over here
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  • ArloArlo    122 posts
    I would have thought that most Trainers ( and Jockeys for that matter) would know what sort of pace and sectionals their horse should be capable of . To see horses capable of better performances plodding along in the field and all jockeys seemingly happy with that really does need questioning.
    As an owner I certainly would want to know why!
    If I was a Steward I would also want to know why.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,949 posts
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    What about the WA Derby? I couldn't find a slower time in the last 30 years. It was run at a snail's pace. Who won? Rohan. Where was he in the run? Stone motherless last. How did he do it? He crept into the race whilst they were walking as G.Smith allowed him to cruise up wide in the long straight section between the 1200 and 600. He was 5 wide but within a length of the lead at the turn without spending any juice. Outstanding judgement of pace and sensational tactics.
    Rogers whilst I commend him for his initiative went flat chat too far from home. His horse had to stop. At the pace they were going he should have made ground more slowly and cut loose at a distance from home his horse could sustain a sprint from.
    Either most WA jockeys are very poor judges of pace or they lack initiative or the pedestrian pace is by design.
    If I ever think it is by design, I will stop betting in WA in a heartbeat. The best way to "organise" a race is to have them crawling. The pea can then end up wherever they want it. I don't want the gallops races resembling red hots.

    So Rodent, in your opinion, could Rohan have stuck with a fast pace then swooped at the end ? Or even a moderate pace and then go hard in the last 250M ?
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    Probably would have been too big a task to sustain a run around the field off a solid tempo. Imho the Victorian horse would have bolted in had the tempo been solid given the relative positions of it and Rohan in the run.
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,413 posts
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    I also heard people on course bagging Rogers for his ride (hence my post on here about it), but I personally love to see that sought of initiative from a young rider. Rogers would have had no chance if he stayed where he was, going 14 to the furlong.

    I disagree Rad. Elle was in a similar position to Come Party (who wins the race) and would've finished over the top of them.
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    Good to see we don't agree on everything Slip.

    My orignal point (which I should have just left it at) was the kid made a decision to have a crack. Whether he went too early or too hard is arguable, but I admire the fact he did it.

    Anyway Slip, our favourite horse should be in next Saturday, happy days ahead!
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,413 posts
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    Good to see we don't agree on everything Slip.

    My orignal point (which I should have just left it at) was the kid made a decision to have a crack. Whether he went too early or too hard is arguable, but I admire the fact he did it.

    Anyway Slip, our favourite horse should be in next Saturday, happy days ahead!

    Yeah Rad the trainer in the last stewards report has got in early with his excuse for the improved performance NEXT start. :roll:
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    Everyone here wants to bag WA jockeys for the lack of pace and initiative.

    While I think you are correct it is NOT confined to WA. Have a look at some of the top races in the east (Queen Elizabeth comes to mind) and see how often it happens over there as well.

    I really think the big problem is that trainers and jockeys are relying too much on so called experts who plot speed maps and decide where they should run and the jockeys are scared of the consequences of failure if they do not follow the pre race instructions.
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Tony some of your points are well put and i do agree but mate the staying races are different a sprint race is called a sprint race for a reason.U would never see a almost 38.50 sec first 600m split on a saturday metro meeting just would never happen u have to compare apples with apples not oranges.Thats a joke what is happening at moment y dont we just line them up at 600m metres and start race there and well we are at it lets give riders half fee as well because its only half a race is it not.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,949 posts
    I don't get it. What difference does it make, what some form analyst thinks how a race will be run ? Next you will be suggesting that betting patterns dictate riding tactics !

    If everyone wants to crawl in races and then sprint home in the last 600M, then they will win some and lose some. But when they lose, they will have to answer as to why those tactics were adopted. It seems winners never have to answer to questionable riding styles.
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