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2012 Magic Millions Yearling Sale

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DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
edited November -1 Breeding
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I have begun photographing yearlings for the sale which is about 10 weeks away. Last year I featured four Studs, Alwyn Park, Heytesbury, Mogumber Park and Yarradale. Over 2,200 individual views were recorded and this year I am putting them up on my dot com site as well that now records 6,000 page views per week.

All of this I do at no charge. I travel to the Stud, photograph, then post them on my pages and supply them to media outlets. I also display breeding and do some background research on bloodlines etc.

So the next step is up to you, but once I get to half a dozen or so I will close the offer. So as to give the yearlings the best possible exposure, I intend to photograph them all in late January.

Bookings can be made via my facebook page, website, private message on here, or you can ring me on 0411 227 222. Cheers, Damien Wyer

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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Can't help but admire your dedication and generosity, all that work for no charge is amazing. Well done.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    said:

    Can't help but admire your dedication and generosity, all that work for no charge is amazing. Well done.

    Thanks DS. I have two already as a result of this post, another 4 and I am done. One of those is in Waroona, they have 4 lots going to the sales one of which has made the Premier Sale.

    So anyone in that neck of the woods is welcome to ring me and I can knock over a couple in a day.
  • chocchoc    789 posts
    Damien this sounds like a tremendous workload you're putting in, which could only be a boost to any breeder trying to sell this season, as any publicity is good publicity.
    I have just PM'd you.
    Continued success with your photographic ventures.
  • sconecupsconecup    62 posts
    Anyone know when sales will be online?
  • sconecupsconecup    62 posts
    is up now...
  • Looks a good catalogue. Looking forward to it. I'm going to the Inglis Classic sale in Sydney also. Should be fun.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    Well all the stars are there in Sires incl Sebring, Lonhro, Encosta De Lago, Snitzel, Charge Forward, Balmont
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Very pleasing see So Secret get a lot of foals in.
    Even in to the Premier session...........
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I just received my catalogue for the Adelaide MM sale on 13-14 March - 1 month after the Perth sale, yet the Perth catalogue is still "in the post" :roll:
    Murray must be so confident it is "the best catalogue ever" they don't even need to send them out in a timely manner :roll:
    If it's that good I wonder if MM will act in a ethical manner and not run the prices up with non-existent bids? :think: :P
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    said:

    I just received my catalogue for the Adelaide MM sale on 13-14 March - 1 month after the Perth sale, yet the Perth catalogue is still "in the post" :roll:
    Murray must be so confident it is "the best catalogue ever" they don't even need to send them out in a timely manner :roll:
    If it's that good I wonder if MM will act in a ethical manner and not run the prices up with non-existent bids? :think: :P

    If they didn't run the bids as you say, a lot of horses would come through the ring in silence. Even horses passed in when they have attracted nothing but vendor bids, have an impact on the lots that follow. In saying that I would like to tweek some of the things that happen.

    What I would like to see is a declaration of the reserve, and if they are uncomfortable with that, it is most likely because the vendor is being unrealistic in their assessment of the market.

    If they can't bring themselves to declare the reserve, then the moment it passes the reserve it should be declared as on the market. I know this gets done to a certain extent, and certainly when a vendor is asked by the auctioneer for direction, mid auction, then it is easy to understand that the bidders are very close to securing the horse.

    For the most part, when a lot is declared as being here for sale, it goes past the last bid. People want to know that with every bid they are making purchasing decisions.

    Or as a purchaser, you can do what I did last sale, and just ask the vendor if they really wanted to sell the horse and what would they let it go for. Because if they didn't know it already, I was declaring my intent to purchase the horse if the expectations met mine and my clients. In the case of the filly I purchased, my opening bid was above the reserve and I didn't have to raise my hand again.

    Now not everyone wants to be that transparent, but I find that vendors who are genuine generally get the results that they hope for. Off the top of my head, at least two horses a year for the last 3 to 4 years, I have purchased in this manner.

    I guarantee that when I walk around this year at the sales, those vendors will be very forthright, knowing that if I am there to buy, I won't be wasting their time or mine.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Should be done like house auctions and announce vendor bids.
    Unethical auctioneers should be de-registered..... and horse-whipped :P
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Reserve generally is declared.
    First figure the auctioneer mentions is it.
  • said:

    said:

    I just received my catalogue for the Adelaide MM sale on 13-14 March - 1 month after the Perth sale, yet the Perth catalogue is still "in the post" :roll:
    Murray must be so confident it is "the best catalogue ever" they don't even need to send them out in a timely manner :roll:
    If it's that good I wonder if MM will act in a ethical manner and not run the prices up with non-existent bids? :think: :P

    If they didn't run the bids as you say, a lot of horses would come through the ring in silence. Even horses passed in when they have attracted nothing but vendor bids, have an impact on the lots that follow. In saying that I would like to tweek some of the things that happen.

    What I would like to see is a declaration of the reserve, and if they are uncomfortable with that, it is most likely because the vendor is being unrealistic in their assessment of the market.

    If they can't bring themselves to declare the reserve, then the moment it passes the reserve it should be declared as on the market. I know this gets done to a certain extent, and certainly when a vendor is asked by the auctioneer for direction, mid auction, then it is easy to understand that the bidders are very close to securing the horse.

    For the most part, when a lot is declared as being here for sale, it goes past the last bid. People want to know that with every bid they are making purchasing decisions.

    Or as a purchaser, you can do what I did last sale, and just ask the vendor if they really wanted to sell the horse and what would they let it go for. Because if they didn't know it already, I was declaring my intent to purchase the horse if the expectations met mine and my clients. In the case of the filly I purchased, my opening bid was above the reserve and I didn't have to raise my hand again.

    Now not everyone wants to be that transparent, but I find that vendors who are genuine generally get the results that they hope for. Off the top of my head, at least two horses a year for the last 3 to 4 years, I have purchased in this manner.

    I guarantee that when I walk around this year at the sales, those vendors will be very forthright, knowing that if I am there to buy, I won't be wasting their time or mine.
    but you never bought any last year??
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    That's right I didn't. How could I have been that confused ?

    I didn't talk to almost every Vendor, didn't walk the yards for four days, didn't inspect over 450 horses, didn't even bid on any of them. You are right and I am mistaken. Feel good now ?

    I think in the end it is just easier to agree with you Aaron.
  • said:

    That's right I didn't. How could I have been that confused ?

    I didn't talk to almost every Vendor, didn't walk the yards for four days, didn't inspect over 450 horses, didn't even bid on any of them. You are right and I am mistaken. Feel good now ?

    I think in the end it is just easier to agree with you Aaron.

    never said you didnt talk to vendors etc

    you said you purchased a filly and part of your statement was about sellers being unethical and dishonest yet you clearly were yourself
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    said:

    said:

    That's right I didn't. How could I have been that confused ?

    I didn't talk to almost every Vendor, didn't walk the yards for four days, didn't inspect over 450 horses, didn't even bid on any of them. You are right and I am mistaken. Feel good now ?

    I think in the end it is just easier to agree with you Aaron.

    never said you didnt talk to vendors etc

    you said you purchased a filly and part of your statement was about sellers being unethical and dishonest yet you clearly were yourself
    Be very careful with your statements Aaron. You know very little about my business, and even less about the horse business.

    When you say I am being unethical and dishonest, you better have some basis in fact. So far you are just full of bullshit. Youre continued abuse of the rules of this forum by personal attacks and statements not based in fact, are grounds for defamation.

    Be very careful little man.
  • Perhaps you should also heed your own advice - you are clearly a much littler man than me - and I only deal in facts. Facts are you never purchased any horses at the yearly sale yet continue to suggest you have.
  • very confusing this is
    done a search and the only horse I can find Damien Wyer bought last year is
    Contentious for the princely sum of $200
  • unless he is talking about the Magnus filly that was bought by ALAN MACALISTER, but who in their right mind would open the bidding with a bid of $80,000
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    said:

    Perhaps you should also heed your own advice - you are clearly a much littler man than me - and I only deal in facts. Facts are you never purchased any horses at the yearly sale yet continue to suggest you have.

    Lot 33 Rock of Gibraltar - Laguna Lake on behalf of Sam Trimboli

    Lot 437 Magnus - Ifestio on behalf of Alan Macalister

    Both horses to be trained by Jim Taylor, Bullsbrook. I make it a practise to work with the Trainers that the yearling will end up with, as my clients prefer a team approach. After the success of placing Famous Roman with Jim, for what turned out to be just one season, it opened the door to a previous purchase of mine on Sam's behalf, Resetgold, to also be trained by Jim.

    My friendship with the Macalister family for several years has turned into a close association in bloodstock. I don't know how many horses I have now signed for at auctions. In answer to the query on Contentious, I don't know why she was in my name, as she was one of 7 mares and or weanlings purchased at that sale, or if not that sale, that year.

    If I knew I was going to have to defend myself publicly in this way, I would have put some time into researching the when and what's of these transactions. But frankly I am a bit beyond caring at this late hour.

    I saw Diva at his office today, and he said not to engage you in discussion. But you are damaging publicly the service I offer people in bloodstock. If anyone on here wants to question what I do, then I reserve the right to try and give an informed response.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    said:

    unless he is talking about the Magnus filly that was bought by ALAN MACALISTER, but who in their right mind would open the bidding with a bid of $80,000

    I was also the under bidder on lot 414 that was purchased on the evening by Vern Brockman, but it is recorded as Commercial Bloodstock Services Pty Ltd. As soon as the bidding got to $100,000 Grant Burns dropped the hammer. In fairness I was struggling to hear my client on the phone, as he seldom attends the venue, leaving this process to me.

    As much as I was interested in that lot, the real diamond was coming up a short time later. When I asked Jim Taylor to second guess me on my choice, it was quickly rubber stamped. He already knew what a good horse Barakey would be, so this very correct filly by Magnus from a black type winning half sister to the dam of Barakey was an automatic pick. He was quite chufffed that I said he could have her if she was purchased.

    Finally the reason why I won the bidding with just a single bid, is that I spoke extensively with Robbie & Jodie before either yearling went into the ring. Robbie didn't really want to part with her, as he hasn't sold any fillies out of that family prior. What was nice for them was that as the under bidder on lot 414, I pushed the eventual price beyond the reserve as it was also at $75,000 when I had my first bid. It went for $100,000 as I thought that was the upper limits, and I really liked the filly a lot more.

    So there is the full story. I am sure that those mentioned won't be offended that I have told this tale as it is history now.

    I am sure as hell not going to tell you about deals I am working on at the moment. That would be silly wouldn't it ?
  • Thanks Damien for revealing the truth. Next time don't be so misleading. Goodluck this year.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    said:

    said:

    Perhaps you should also heed your own advice - you are clearly a much littler man than me - and I only deal in facts. Facts are you never purchased any horses at the yearly sale yet continue to suggest you have.

    Lot 33 Rock of Gibraltar - Laguna Lake on behalf of Sam Trimboli

    Lot 437 Magnus - Ifestio on behalf of Alan Macalister

    Both horses to be trained by Jim Taylor, Bullsbrook. I make it a practise to work with the Trainers that the yearling will end up with, as my clients prefer a team approach. After the success of placing Famous Roman with Jim, for what turned out to be just one season, it opened the door to a previous purchase of mine on Sam's behalf, Resetgold, to also be trained by Jim.

    My friendship with the Macalister family for several years has turned into a close association in bloodstock. I don't know how many horses I have now signed for at auctions. In answer to the query on Contentious, I don't know why she was in my name, as she was one of 7 mares and or weanlings purchased at that sale, or if not that sale, that year.

    If I knew I was going to have to defend myself publicly in this way, I would have put some time into researching the when and what's of these transactions. But frankly I am a bit beyond caring at this late hour.

    I saw Diva at his office today, and he said not to engage you in discussion. But you are damaging publicly the service I offer people in bloodstock. If anyone on here wants to question what I do, then I reserve the right to try and give an informed response.
    Damien the Magnus x Ifestio is well bred would i be correct that is the same family as Barakey,New Time ect ?? Ifestio is a brother or sister to Dance Hi a former champion fillies winner trained by Carol Albuino will look forward to seeing the racetrack debut
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    Dungy, Ifestio is out of Dance Hi. She is a half sister to Hi On Love, and both were black type winners. Ifestio is by Key Business with Hi On Love by Love A Dane. If that wasn't enough, Ifestio is a full sister to Barakey, surely one of the hottest prospects in WA Racing.

    Every horse that has raced in this family has won in town. So yes it is exciting to think of what the future holds for this filly. Being from this late maturing family, and looking at the horse herself, she will not race prior to three years of age.

    Where the real pressure will come, will be if Barakey goes to Group level, then this un-named filly subsequently wins, her purchase price would only be a fraction of her worth as a broodmare prospect.

    Sadly Ifestio died this year, she left a So Secret Colt and a filly from the previous season. You can be confidant I will look at both horses if they are offered.
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    said:

    Dungy, Ifestio is out of Dance Hi. She is a half sister to Hi On Love, and both were black type winners. Ifestio is by Key Business with Hi On Love by Love A Dane. If that wasn't enough, Ifestio is a full sister to Barakey, surely one of the hottest prospects in WA Racing.

    Every horse that has raced in this family has won in town. So yes it is exciting to think of what the future holds for this filly. Being from this late maturing family, and looking at the horse herself, she will not race prior to three years of age.

    Where the real pressure will come, will be if Barakey goes to Group level, then this un-named filly subsequently wins, her purchase price would only be a fraction of her worth as a broodmare prospect.

    Sadly Ifestio died this year, she left a So Secret Colt and a filly from the previous season. You can be confidant I will look at both horses if they are offered.

    Thanks Damien ,gee thats a great local family and as you say when/if Barakey goes to gr-1 level the value of the Magnus filly will be increased for sure ,good buying well done
  • Been informed that the filly will not be offered at the sale this year.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    Not surprising. Robbie has mentioned a number of times that we got the only one offered from the family in a long time.
  • As the mare died he wants to keep the female line.
  • said:

    said:

    unless he is talking about the Magnus filly that was bought by ALAN MACALISTER, but who in their right mind would open the bidding with a bid of $80,000

    I was also the under bidder on lot 414 that was purchased on the evening by Vern Brockman, but it is recorded as Commercial Bloodstock Services Pty Ltd. As soon as the bidding got to $100,000 Grant Burns dropped the hammer. In fairness I was struggling to hear my client on the phone, as he seldom attends the venue, leaving this process to me.

    As much as I was interested in that lot, the real diamond was coming up a short time later. When I asked Jim Taylor to second guess me on my choice, it was quickly rubber stamped. He already knew what a good horse Barakey would be, so this very correct filly by Magnus from a black type winning half sister to the dam of Barakey was an automatic pick. He was quite chufffed that I said he could have her if she was purchased.

    Finally the reason why I won the bidding with just a single bid, is that I spoke extensively with Robbie & Jodie before either yearling went into the ring. Robbie didn't really want to part with her, as he hasn't sold any fillies out of that family prior. What was nice for them was that as the under bidder on lot 414, I pushed the eventual price beyond the reserve as it was also at $75,000 when I had my first bid. It went for $100,000 as I thought that was the upper limits, and I really liked the filly a lot more.

    So there is the full story. I am sure that those mentioned won't be offended that I have told this tale as it is history now.

    I am sure as hell not going to tell you about deals I am working on at the moment. That would be silly wouldn't it ?
    Damien does a fantastic job in addition to those mentioned he also made various private purchases on our behalf. Demimonde is another great purchase for breeding racing is a bonus. Keep up the good work mate.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,051 posts
    Thanks Alan. In a another shameless media annoucement, Miss Iridium, now a black type producing mare through Highly Toxic, is in foal to My Atacanta, having last year left an almost perfect My Atacanta filly foal on the ground. She is one of 35 mares seen by the Stallion this year, a book that also includes black type winner Simply Adorable.

    The upgrade of his book continues into the future as Alan mentioned, with Demimonde, a Saturday winner by Stratum and out of a very good Melbourne winning mare in La Vie En Rose (Encosta De Lago).

    It doesn't stop there as we have some exciting stock to debut in coming months. The majority of them being fillies, so My Atacanta is going to have good mares for many a year to come.
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