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your stallion selections for 2011

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coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
edited November -1 Breeding
Stallions for your mares this year?Has yearling sales had any sway to your selections this year?
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  • SprintcarSprintcar    99 posts
    Only if you are going to sell at the sales. I prefer to sell shares in my horses privately so I can keep a leg or two. So, Blacfriars, Saxon, Kendel Star, based purely on the race results of the progeny and then I will see which mare suits which stallion. Newbies for 2011 so far we have Alfred Noble at Lynward park a well performed son of Danehill Dancer. Others will arrive so I will keep my options open.
    Also Fly Peg is going ok but he is owned by a syndicate and I suspect they are going to put his fee back up, it is also harder to do a deal unless you know one of the owners. Oratorio way overpriced especially when you look at runners to winners.
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  • coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
    Probably one of the few but I've bred a couple of Blackfriars [to well bred mares,that have bred a winner]and had no joy at all.Kendal Star is a stallion that has done it the hard way and is underated.Never used him and unfortunately don't really want to race any that I don't need to.Is Alfred Noble a first season sire or a shuttle?So Secret might be the goods,lovely type and temperament.Metaldale will do it the hard way but has thrown some nice looking progeny.Oratorio gone a little quiet...usually happens with stallions with a lot of hype.Helenus seems to be breeding staying types..I know his youngsters had temperament problems but that's often because they are mentally immature and we WA people want them early, early, early...
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  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    Heritage...he has created some attention.
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  • emptypocketsemptypockets    61 posts
    This is my list depending on your mare.
    Blackfriars
    Saxon
    Key business / Due Sasso
    So secret
    Alfred noble

    This is based on value for money.
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  • SprintcarSprintcar    99 posts
    My list depending on what suits your mare;
    Blackfriars
    Saxon
    umm umm
    From the newbies we have so far;
    Alfred Noble
    Planet Five
    From the holding pen( those with 2yr olds this year)
    Husson lightning
    Passenger.
    My selection criteria is getting harder as I get older as I do all the work up to breaking myself, temprament has become important.
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  • SpurrierSpurrier    14 posts
    I am finding it harder and harder to send to any stallions here. I supported Flying Peg last year but I want to see a bit more of his progeny before committing any more to him. Blackfriars is a good option as he is the only one who has got strong recent results and is priced reasonably but I can't have Oratorio who is triple what he should be.

    Of the newbies I find it difficult to get excited about Alfred Noble or Planet Five. I prefer a colonial bred horse like the new Fastnet Rock stallion at Waterford, but I wish his race record was better. Its always tough, but getting it right has great rewards.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Viscount?
    Stats this year showed outstanding return on service fee.
    Would appeal to Singapore and e/s buyers
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Most if not all of the Viscount lots in the sale were from top class mares.
    As I said - takes two to tango.
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  • SpurrierSpurrier    14 posts
    Should have mentioned Viscount, he is right there with Blackfriars with good recent performance.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Viscount you'll get a better dollar for a better mare
    Blackfriars you'll get a better dollar for a lesser mare.
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  • jackojacko    8 posts
    I'm keen to take a look at Therock when gets here from the east. Feedback from Sydney is strong about his looks and racetrack ability..but will wait to inspect.
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  • tolleshunttolleshunt    82 posts
    enquiring about the merits of Alfred Noble , anyone think he's worth a punt ?
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    enquiring about the merits of Alfred Noble , anyone think he's worth a punt ?

    Yep.
    His old man is a proven sire of sires and this bloke showed his share of ability on the track.

    You can get a free Werk ENick pedigree analysis on him, because he is sponsored by Coolmore. Check under Irish stallions.
    http://werkhorse.com/enicks/
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    How do you spell it ? (correctly)

    Alfred Noble - "Horse not found."
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Ahhhh................Alfred NobEL, but isn't on Studbook (with either spelling)
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Ahhhh................Alfred NobEL, but isn't on Studbook (with either spelling)

    Australian Studbook?
    Well things like updating records take a little time in Oztraylia
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  • tolleshunttolleshunt    82 posts
    can find him at stallions .com.au
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    Why take a chance on the unproven ? Blackfriars is incredible value at $10k + gst.
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Agree about Blackfriars great value do you think Danehill Express can achieve as much success similar ability on track or is it the mares at Durham Blackfriars has clicked with?
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Why take a chance on the unproven ? Blackfriars is incredible value at $10k + gst.

    Actually only 8+ now and is excellent value. I'm a big fan but he isnt necessarily a suitable cross for some mares.

    Some first season sires are worth a punt and I think Alfred may be one of them. A Gr1 winner at 2 and from an oustanding family that includes New Approach & Shinko Forrest. His foals will be worth inspection.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Agree about Blackfriars great value do you think Danehill Express can achieve as much success similar ability on track or is it the mares at Durham Blackfriars has clicked with?

    Seems to have been given every opportunity by Mungrup and his first crop was certainly well received
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    said:

    said:

    Why take a chance on the unproven ? Blackfriars is incredible value at $10k + gst.

    Actually only 8+ now and is excellent value. I'm a big fan but he isnt necessarily a suitable cross for some mares.

    Some first season sires are worth a punt and I think Alfred may be one of them. A Gr1 winner at 2 and from an oustanding family that includes New Approach & Shinko Forrest. His foals will be worth inspection.
    Has it changed in the last week ? I received a letter from Durham only last week announcing his fee was $10k + gst.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    Why take a chance on the unproven ? Blackfriars is incredible value at $10k + gst.

    Actually only 8+ now and is excellent value. I'm a big fan but he isnt necessarily a suitable cross for some mares.

    Some first season sires are worth a punt and I think Alfred may be one of them. A Gr1 winner at 2 and from an oustanding family that includes New Approach & Shinko Forrest. His foals will be worth inspection.
    Has it changed in the last week ? I received a letter from Durham only last week announcing his fee was $10k + gst.
    Just going off their website..... :?
    Quick go take a print-out and use that as ur quote :wink:

    Just checked again, is his 2010 service fee still showing :oops:
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  • SpurrierSpurrier    14 posts
    Happy to work with $8K for Blackfriars...forget the $11K!!
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Gotta admire Viscount's versatility. Can basically get all sorts - loping/bounding stayer like Knightlike/Kidnapped, sprinter/miler mares like Neroli/Miss Pageantry, or a speed merchant like Rocket Man (although likely a freak).

    For most of the proven ones here, you pretty much know what you'll get (ie Oratorio's most likely early only and 1400 tops, Blackfriars 1200 - 1600 3yo onwards).

    If you weren't working on any sort of special theory or matching, Viscount would be the way I'd go (not that I'm playing)

    Latoria's win last week was timely for Oratorio. Gee it was impressive.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Do I recall a mention of a son of Lonhro ?
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Demerit? Out of Shame? - she was Scenic right?

    Looks a handy get
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  • coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
    Standing at Tauntonvale...the new stallions book is out and has most of the newbies in it.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    For anyone looking for a cheapy.................

    There is an unadvertised, unraced 3/4 Brother to FAIRY KING PRAWN / Half Brother to EASY ROCKING here (in WA - Serpentine), by Exceed and Excel, dam being G2 winning Twiglet.

    Believe they're only asking $500 to cover vet costs etc.

    If interested - let me know and I'll put you in contact.
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  • coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
    My mares go well with Saxon and Vital Equine.Both are proving themselves with winners in each crop.Might wait for a while for Alfred Noble.He looks physically like he will put a bit of European class in his foals but would be wary about putting anything too lightly boned to him.He does look like he has alot of class.Wish I could afford War Chant...
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