AFL Round 7

TheFunkster · May 2011

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Going back on while you're still warm a LOT easier than getting up again a week later
It's a derby, players play with niggles.

I think he went for precautionary scans too but if nothing structurally wrong he will get up.

He only needs one good arm and still better than most :wink:

octavius · May 2011

Anyone see NicNat's game on the weekend?

Like Healy said, everyone worries what he can't do and doesn't focus on what he can do (and what he can do is better than any other ruckman that has gone before him).

When he is in the middle we are more successful than when Cox is, and stats back that up. In the first quarter he started in the ruck and we were on fire, think he had 10 possessions in first quarter, 8 contested, not sure how many clearances, but 7 for the game, 1 behind Kerr and 2 behind Watson.

He is a freak and unfortunately because of this he is held to such a high standard for somebody so inexperienced that everytime he doesn't dominate a game he is not living up to those standards and receives criticism.

It is scary how good he will be when he reaches 100 games.

Tivers · May 2011

Not a patch on Zac Smith

darkshines · May 2011

NN will be a gun, no doubt.

But Smith - WOW. What was that his 6th game. Unreal for a ruckman to show so much early. Almost makes a mockery of the 'learning curve' I keep hearing about NN

Jordan · May 2011

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Not a patch on Zac Smith

We will see when WC play GCS 8)

Tivers · May 2011

Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"

octavius · May 2011

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Not a patch on Zac Smith

I would rather NicNat any day, yes Smith is going to be quality, but people just don't understand how important NicNats work is inside with his tackling and clearance work.

And Zac Smith is not an 18 year old, he is a few months older than NicNat, and has been getting experience in the VFL while waiting for GC to enter the comp, so his 6 games is a little misleading.

But he will be a jet, they have been saying that for some time now, when everyone was talking up Swallow, Toy etc, and nobody knew who this kid was because he was an early zone selection.

relleche · May 2011

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Anyone see NicNat's game on the weekend?

Like Healy said, everyone worries what he can't do and doesn't focus on what he can do (and what he can do is better than any other ruckman that has gone before him).

When he is in the middle we are more successful than when Cox is, and stats back that up. In the first quarter he started in the ruck and we were on fire, think he had 10 possessions in first quarter, 8 contested, not sure how many clearances, but 7 for the game, 1 behind Kerr and 2 behind Watson.

He is a freak and unfortunately because of this he is held to such a high standard for somebody so inexperienced that everytime he doesn't dominate a game he is not living up to those standards and receives criticism.

It is scary how good he will be when he reaches 100 games.

Won't get any better :lol:

octavius · May 2011

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Won't get any better :lol:

Please elaborate, I would love an insight into your genius football brain.

I dare you.

dungy · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"

Since when has the might of the Tiges won on the road yeh they won over here a few years back but id like to see the record

relleche · May 2011

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Won't get any better :lol:
Please elaborate, I would love an insight into your genius football brain.

I dare you.

Simple, most AFL players come through the system and are identified with having the skills to perform at elite level. I'm not saying nn doesn't have the skill and is a born athlete but one thing he does not have is a football brain which is something I personally don't think can be taught.
Time will tell how right I am.
One other thing is if you watched the Gold Coast game on the weekend you will see the difference between nn and smith, one of them does have have a football brain and is leapyears ahead of the other. I certainly know which one I would have.

Tivers · May 2011

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Since when has the might of the Tiges won on the road yeh they won over here a few years back but id like to see the record

2009 - Rich df Freo by 3 points
2008 - Rich df Freo by 64 points
(so that's two of the last three)

2008 - Rich df WC by 80 points

So that's a win from 3 of the last 5 visits against either local
(The two losses being v Freo 2010 and WC 2009)

Overall - have beaten Freo at Subi 5 of 11 times

darkshines · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"

From your POV I guess that is true, no-one can match the Tig supporter group in terms of acceptance of mediocrity and ineptitude; any one else does indeed look like 'bandwagon' jumpers in comparison :lol: :lol:

Tigs supporters are the M in BDSM

relleche · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"

Wow the Tigers travel here once a year and win one every other year and you compare that to Freo and wet toast having to travel every second week. I wonder what your thoughts would be if the boot was on the other foot. :roll:

octavius · May 2011

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Won't get any better :lol:
Please elaborate, I would love an insight into your genius football brain.

I dare you.
Simple, most AFL players come through the system and are identified with having the skills to perform at elite level. I'm not saying nn doesn't have the skill and is a born athlete but one thing he does not have is a football brain which is something I personally don't think can be taught.
Time will tell how right I am.

Try telling Jim Stynes that!

Admit it, you're just regurgitating other people's viewpoint, typical brainless group think.

Even if he doesn't improve his football brain he will develop the other areas of his game (unless you don't think he will develop at all, in any area) i.e. his tank, his marking, his kicking, and like all young players improving the consistency in their performances.

I don't want him running around like Cox taking uncontested marks on the wing and racking up 25 odd possessions, because the tackling and clearance work he does is worth so much more.

There are those who don't believe he can improve his 'football brain', I am not one that prescribes to that theory, he has another 4-5 years until he peaks, and I am confident with so much work that is done as a professional footballer under the tutelage of Cox, one of the best proponents of this he can and will improve in this area.

But I will reiterate he is so much more dangerous playing on the ball, and hunting the ball as comes instinctively.

But even if he does not improve his ability to read the game I still think the weapons he has at the moment are so dangerous that as long as he continues to improve these areas, and there is no reason why he shouldn't then he will become the premier ruckman in the comp, or should I say RuckRover.

But if it does all come together the sky is the limit because he will become something the game has never seen before, and somebody you can build a premiership midfield around.

Tivers · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"
Wow the Tigers travel here once a year and win one every other year and you compare that to Freo and wet toast having to travel every second week. I wonder what your thoughts would be if the boot was on the other foot. :roll:

??? Where did travel come in to it.
My point was that Freo play at the MCG more often than we do at Subi, yet we can win at Subi whereas they use lack of matches at the MCG as an excuse for losing.
Doesn't add up.

relleche · May 2011

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Won't get any better :lol:
Please elaborate, I would love an insight into your genius football brain.

I dare you.
Simple, most AFL players come through the system and are identified with having the skills to perform at elite level. I'm not saying nn doesn't have the skill and is a born athlete but one thing he does not have is a football brain which is something I personally don't think can be taught.
Time will tell how right I am.
Try telling Jim Stynes that!

Admit it, you're just regurgitating other people's viewpoint, typical brainless group think.

Even if he doesn't improve his football brain he will develop the other areas of his game (unless you don't think he will develop at all, in any area) i.e. his tank, his marking, his kicking, and like all young players improving the consistency in their performances.

I don't want him running around like Cox taking uncontested marks on the wing and racking up 25 odd possessions, because the tackling and clearance work he does is worth so much more.

There are those who don't believe he can improve his 'football brain', I am not one that prescribes to that theory, he has another 4-5 years until he peaks, and I am confident with so much work that is done as a professional footballer under the tutelage of Cox, one of the best proponents of this he can and will improve in this area.

But I will reiterate he is so much more dangerous playing on the ball, and hunting the ball as comes instinctively.

But even if he does not improve his ability to read the game I still think the weapons he has at the moment are so dangerous that as long as he continues to improve these areas, and there is no reason why he shouldn't then he will become the premier ruckman in the comp, or should I say RuckRover.

But if it does all come together the sky is the limit because he will become something the game has never seen before, and somebody you can build a premiership midfield around.

I certainly haven't read anywhere on here about nn lack of footy brain just my personal thoughts on the matter.

Jim Stynes came from what I would say is the nearest thing to aussie rules footy there is, in which you would still require some sort of footy brain. ruckman I will certainly agree with but ruckrover :shock: :lol: :lol:

Tivers · May 2011

Carlton v Saints tonight - on at guess what time ?

Yep - 8.30 !!! :x

relleche · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"
Wow the Tigers travel here once a year and win one every other year and you compare that to Freo and wet toast having to travel every second week. I wonder what your thoughts would be if the boot was on the other foot. :roll:
??? Where did travel come in to it.
My point was that Freo play at the MCG more often than we do at Subi, yet we can win at Subi whereas they use lack of matches at the MCG as an excuse for losing.
Doesn't add up.

Sorry miss read it, my fault (old age) :oops:
Maybe you could tell me what the Tigers winning percentage is at Subiaco
and I don't mean the mighty Claremont Tigers :lol:

octavius · May 2011

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I certainly haven't read anywhere on here about nn lack of footy brain just my personal thoughts on the matter.

Jim Stynes came from what I would say is the nearest thing to aussie rules footy there is, in which you would still require some sort of footy brain. ruckman I will certainly agree with but ruckrover :shock: :lol: :lol:

Re: lack of football brain

I never said here, but it has been said on here many times and it is a widely held view by many in the football world, so either you are lying or you have been living under a rock. Saying that, living under a rock could explain a lot about you.

Stynes aka the 'Irish experiment' started much further back than NicNat in terms of football exposure, as NicNat has played plenty of junior/development football.

It was a masterstroke that Stynes was persevered with because he was written off by all and sundry as a joke.

Martin Pike from Canada and the new Collingwood bloke from the US suggest that football can be taught, not overnight, but not out of the question.

The ruckrover suggestion was used to illustrate his ability to do both, much like Goodes when he was rucking, very few have the physical and aerobic capacity to be equally dangerous in the air and on the ground.

Tivers · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"
Wow the Tigers travel here once a year and win one every other year and you compare that to Freo and wet toast having to travel every second week. I wonder what your thoughts would be if the boot was on the other foot. :roll:
??? Where did travel come in to it.
My point was that Freo play at the MCG more often than we do at Subi, yet we can win at Subi whereas they use lack of matches at the MCG as an excuse for losing.
Doesn't add up.
Sorry miss read it, my fault (old age) :oops:
Maybe you could tell me what the Tigers winning percentage is at Subiaco

Not sure when Freo last won at The G, but I'll guess not in the last 4 seasons.
Over that same period then, Rich winning % at Subi is 50%

relleche · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"
Wow the Tigers travel here once a year and win one every other year and you compare that to Freo and wet toast having to travel every second week. I wonder what your thoughts would be if the boot was on the other foot. :roll:
??? Where did travel come in to it.
My point was that Freo play at the MCG more often than we do at Subi, yet we can win at Subi whereas they use lack of matches at the MCG as an excuse for losing.
Doesn't add up.
Sorry miss read it, my fault (old age) :oops:
Maybe you could tell me what the Tigers winning percentage is at Subiaco
Not sure when Freo last won at The G, but I'll guess not in the last 4 seasons.
Over that same period then, Rich winning % at Subi is 50%

Freos overall winning percentage is around 25% at the g which is not good but would like to know the Tigers over all % here

Tivers · May 2011

all time - 6/23

relleche · May 2011

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I certainly haven't read anywhere on here about nn lack of footy brain just my personal thoughts on the matter.

Jim Stynes came from what I would say is the nearest thing to aussie rules footy there is, in which you would still require some sort of footy brain. ruckman I will certainly agree with but ruckrover :shock: :lol: :lol:
Re: lack of football brain

I never said here, but it has been said on here many times and it is a widely held view by many in the football world, so either you are lying or you have been living under a rock. Saying that, living under a rock could explain a lot about you.

Stynes aka the 'Irish experiment' started much further back than NicNat in terms of football exposure, as NicNat has played plenty of junior/development football.

It was a masterstroke that Stynes was persevered with because he was written off by all and sundry as a joke.

Martin Pike from Canada and the new Collingwood bloke from the US suggest that football can be taught, not overnight, but not out of the question.

The ruckrover suggestion was used to illustrate his ability to do both, much like Goodes when he was rucking, very few have the physical and aerobic capacity to be equally dangerous in the air and on the ground.

So anytime I have an opinion, which I obviously must share with others on here, I must be lying about having a brain to work it out all by myself or I must be living under a rock. That's a bit personal and a bit offensive :evil: , maybe you can repost on here where this has been discussed before on this forum because I certainly haven't seen any.
Illustrating him might be the only way nn will ever get to be a decent ruckrover :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

relleche · May 2011

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all time - 6/23

Not much different to Freos % then.

Tivers · May 2011

Again - I think you miss the point.

Freo have lost their last 8 at the G.
They are blaming lack of matches at that venue for that.
In that period Richmond have only played 6 matches at Subi (ie less than Freo have played at the G - so more excuse for not being used to it) but yet have won half of them.
I'm sure other teams have even better records at Subi, and perhaps with even less appearances there (Collingwood perhaps ?). Rich just this weeks example.

So - point then is that is no excuse.
Perhaps Freo (and WC ?) just over just rely on (season standings wise) their 10 interstate home matches to prop up their records ?

Bottom line - think Freo's lack of wins at The G just a matter of coincidence more than lack of experiance / ability at that particular ground ?

dungy · May 2011

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Since when has the might of the Tiges won on the road yeh they won over here a few years back but id like to see the record
2009 - Rich df Freo by 3 points
2008 - Rich df Freo by 64 points
(so that's two of the last three)

2008 - Rich df WC by 80 points

So that's a win from 3 of the last 5 visits against either local
(The two losses being v Freo 2010 and WC 2009)

Overall - have beaten Freo at Subi 5 of 11 times

Well that a less than 1 in 2 win record and lost there recent trip over mmm

Tivers · May 2011

And ? (what's your point ?)

Tivers · May 2011

Actually - forget it.

Will start again (but leave it for you to discuss / ponder)
Fremantle have lost their last 8 matches at The MCG. Why ?

dungy · May 2011

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Love how they blame the lack of matches at The G for why Freo can't win there.
We play at Subi only once a year, yet still manage to reguarly win there........... :?

Another observation - power of the Tiger Army.
When was the last time (if ever) a Freo match in Melbourne attracted the largest crowd of the round ???
Even knocked off the Bummers.

Laughed at a group of 3 Freo supporters on the tram on the way to the ground. They were discussing what the crowd would be like. One predicted - "it will be mostly Freo because Richmond only has about 300 supporters".
Think they got on the wrong tram. Were looking for the one marked "bandwagon"
Wow the Tigers travel here once a year and win one every other year and you compare that to Freo and wet toast having to travel every second week. I wonder what your thoughts would be if the boot was on the other foot. :roll:
??? Where did travel come in to it.
My point was that Freo play at the MCG more often than we do at Subi, yet we can win at Subi whereas they use lack of matches at the MCG as an excuse for losing.
Doesn't add up.
Sorry miss read it, my fault (old age) :oops:
Maybe you could tell me what the Tigers winning percentage is at Subiaco
Not sure when Freo last won at The G, but I'll guess not in the last 4 seasons.
Over that same period then, Rich winning % at Subi is 50%

Im not banging on about why we lost because we dont play enough at the G the reason we lost because we played average and Richmond played to there ability simple as that the better side won on the day banging on about DRAWS and TRAVEL ts all rubbish you turn up and play simple as that as i saod The Tiges are looking good and could well win there next 3 games

G'day Punter!

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