Racing Colours New Policy

JayJay · March 3

From the website, this undated release:

Racing WA advises that, following consultation with the Breeders, Owners, Trainers and Reinspersons
Association (BOTRA)......I don't recall being consulted ...... and the Harness Racing Owners Association Western Australia (HROAWA), the policy
relating to the wearing of registered colours in harness racing has been amended.

The policy currently provides that “horses shall only race in the registered colours of either the owner or
trainer as nominated on a Stable Return lodged by the trainer.”

The policy will now permit the use of registered driver colours in races.
The amended policy makes the use of registered driver colours optional; it remains at the discretion of trainers
and owners which registered colours they elect to utilise on their horse.

Comment: No thanks, if the driver wishes to contribute to paying the trainers account, maybe, otherwise, as it has been forever, my horse will race in my colours. Full stop.

warrenrobinson · March 3

Can someone please explain to me how this policy change will help grow and make our industry better?. Has been on the agenda for a long time. I'd be surprised the if the GP Owners Association has agreed to the change.

lick · March 4

As an owner of several pacers - I want to see my trainers colours on the driver. It gives a sense of belonging and, by joves, ownership, and credit to the trainer - which he or she deserves.

Imagine a driver, after a late change of driver (due to illness, injury, delayed) jumps on Minstrel, or Magnificent Storm or Pure Steel (for example) etc with foreign colours!?

Lovesaticky · March 4

We still use owners or trainers colours the policy change is more so when Hayden reeves or Peter Anderson ( as an example) have more then 3 runners (or how many registered sets they have) if they want they can elect to use the drivers colours to save going to get club colours and Most clubs only have 2 sets of colours. I believe there should be a maximum limit of 3 horses per stable in one race. Because it is an integrity issue and a bad look to punting public.

JayJay · March 5

The solution to multiple runners is not to allocate drivers their own colours, optional or otherwise. It is completely disrespectful to both the owners who supply the horses and the trainers who prepare them.

I don't go to work (as the employee) and say "Look boss, I am wearing my own uniform today, I know you are paying the bills and the wages but I want to wear my own selection, I want to promote me".

The jockey walks up to Bart. "Hello Mr Cummings, I want to wear my own strip on So You Think today, I won't be wearing Dato's colours". "Fine son, wear your colours in the cab on your way home, hears your voucher".

The release says BOTRA were consulted. The membership most certainly was NOT consulted.

Lovesaticky · March 5

The drivers don’t get to choose to wear there own colours this rule is simply to assist when the owner, trainer or club total doesn’t have enough colours to cover the field.

JayJay · March 5

So, you have not heard of 'thin end of the wedge" or "foot in the door"?

With owners having reverse colours, trainers having reverse colours, some with mutiple sets plus clubs having two sets of "club" colours, the above scenario would happen very rarely.

The push has been on for years, now the gate is open. Standby.

Criticism of RWWA for not consulting or "pretending" to consult, is on thin ice when BOTRA don't practice what they preach and make decisions on behalf of owners which we read about in a press release on the Racing WA website.

savethegame · March 5

Owners from experience can get very funny about colours, especially with gallopers because jockeys take the one coloured caps , they tend to leave multi coloured caps because there more easily too identify at trackwork-and get back, so had to take spare cap to races. Just in case

At trots know owner would rather donate money for any cause, then not use his colours.

Chopchop43 · March 6

America's been using drivers colour for a fair while now , be interesting too see the response to that from trainers and owners, as a trainer and owner currently im honestly not fussed what colours I have as long as the horse is going well im happy

JayJay · March 6

I wouldn't be putting North America up as the blue print to assiduously follow. Tracks closing, going bankrupts, unable to attract "handle" (as they refer to it) or patronage, hitching their wagons to Casino's in an attempt drag the odd punter away from the one armed bandits, stagnant and in many cases reduced stakemoney, studs shutting down. We had our own very good product until our powers that be were seduced by the bovine excrement that poured out of the USTA.

Chopchop43 · March 6

JayJay said:
I wouldn't be putting North America up as the blue print to assiduously follow. Tracks closing, going bankrupts, unable to attract "handle" (as they refer to it) or patronage, hitching their wagons to Casino's in an attempt drag the odd punter away from the one armed bandits, stagnant and in many cases reduced stakemoney, studs shutting down. We had our own very good product until our powers that be were seduced by the bovine excrement that poured out of the USTA.

North American Pacing might not be the blue print to alot of our issues , but its definitely worth looking at other Pacing bodies and looking into different innovation used that could possibly have a positive effect on our industry, rather than sit here and do nothing which is what seems to happen. As I said purely my opinion the colours the drivers use dont have an impact on whether my horses are competitive or not , be interesting to see the views of other owners/trainers

Arapaho · March 6

My opinion,Owners colours first,Trainers colours second and a distant third club colours and no other starters.

JayJay · March 6

Talking about colours having an impact on "whether my horses are competitive or not" is a nonsensical distraction.

Chopchop43 · March 7

Well i mean isnt that why we get into this industry , the joy of watching our horses race and hopefully win if not at least be competitive, to me what colours they wear are irrelevant to think otherwise is just ego driven

JayJay · March 7

Ahh, what a treasure you are. Not only Warren Buffett type unsolicited financial advice on where and when one should obtain horses ...which was placed in its rightful receptacle ...but branching out into Sigmund Freud Territory with psychoanalysis.......priceless. Pffft...Ego driven indeed. 8-}

warrenrobinson · March 7

Always remember stoopid is forever :)

LightningJake · March 7

In his day, I don't think Tinny had a problem with not enough colours to field a full field.
I too, disagree with driver colours.

warrenrobinson · March 8

LightningJake said:
In his day, I don't think Tinny had a problem with not enough colours to field a full field.
I too, disagree with driver colours.

With this post by LightningJake no more response needed.

Markovina · March 8

As allways im the poster who can see all sides of the discussion point

Now if i was an owner , yes i would like my colours because im paying the bills etc

However if you look at the other states who have brought this in for a fair while like Qld Vic and NSW , i think they have got a common sense approach , that horses irrespective of who is training them they are in the drivers colours , but onlyfor bread and butter races , feature races are off the table , like so back in the day Gammalite and Pure Steel in those big races would definitely be in the stable colours

However for the non feature races im all for it , and it may increase turnover

You take Shannon Suvaljko , he is the classic example for it in WA because he is purely a freelance driver

Shannon use to have those beautiful blue colours , so say he has got 8 drives at GP , they are non feature races , so Shannon is in those lovely blue colours for all 8 drives , it is so easy for the punter , theres Suvaljko he is on this thing , he is in his blue colours , and some punters like backing certain drivers

What they are trying to do is give the Drivers a profile , make the Drivers the Superstars , like Geoff Webster said , back in the day the leading drivers had profiles like the footy stars

So from a punting aspect i really like it , because if im having a bet interstate , i can instantly see my horse because of the drivers colours , or there is 40 seconds to start time , and you see in the prelim a certain set of drivers colours , eg - oh Robbie Morris is driving this thing , its in the market i will back it - that helps turnover

savethegame · March 8

Marko in the eighties two leading drivers were pushing for eight horse fields and four emergency

drivers at G.P, thats what wrecked American harness and Herve Filion drove 15,183 winners, now serious issue within industry states we have 37 drivers but have counted 45 drivers,

Relations and friends left in the driving ranks,.So If any owners that request there colours so be it, As the punters have long left. Remember owner at the gallops W.A. having Tobin Bronze's colours. that's all that mattered to him.

Arapaho · March 8

Markovina said:
As allways im the poster who can see all sides of the discussion point

Now if i was an owner , yes i would like my colours because im paying the bills etc

However if you look at the other states who have brought this in for a fair while like Qld Vic and NSW , i think they have got a common sense approach , that horses irrespective of who is training them they are in the drivers colours , but onlyfor bread and butter races , feature races are off the table , like so back in the day Gammalite and Pure Steel in those big races would definitely be in the stable colours

However for the non feature races im all for it , and it may increase turnover

You take Shannon Suvaljko , he is the classic example for it in WA because he is purely a freelance driver

Shannon use to have those beautiful blue colours , so say he has got 8 drives at GP , they are non feature races , so Shannon is in those lovely blue colours for all 8 drives , it is so easy for the punter , theres Suvaljko he is on this thing , he is in his blue colours , and some punters like backing certain drivers

What they are trying to do is give the Drivers a profile , make the Drivers the Superstars , like Geoff Webster said , back in the day the leading drivers had profiles like the footy stars

So from a punting aspect i really like it , because if im having a bet interstate , i can instantly see my horse because of the drivers colours , or there is 40 seconds to start time , and you see in the prelim a certain set of drivers colours , eg - oh Robbie Morris is driving this thing , its in the market i will back it - that helps turnover

If your talking about the blue colours with the white diamond sleeves that Shannon has,he uses those colours on horses that he or his missus owns.So they are actually owners colours.

Arapaho · March 8

And were the colours he used when he was training.

No owners,no horses ,no trainers,no punters, lets look after the ones that are always putting in.

Markovina · March 8

Re Queensland

"This change aims to enhance the visibility and appeal of drivers making them more recognizable and marketable assets to the sport . The drivers colours initiative is part of a broader strategy to boost the popularity of Qld harness racing code and connect fans with their drivers in a similar way they look up to other sporting heroes "

Personally i like it , and i think it is a good initiative .

TimmyBee · March 8

Arapaho said:

Markovina said:
As allways im the poster who can see all sides of the discussion point

Now if i was an owner , yes i would like my colours because im paying the bills etc

However if you look at the other states who have brought this in for a fair while like Qld Vic and NSW , i think they have got a common sense approach , that horses irrespective of who is training them they are in the drivers colours , but onlyfor bread and butter races , feature races are off the table , like so back in the day Gammalite and Pure Steel in those big races would definitely be in the stable colours

However for the non feature races im all for it , and it may increase turnover

You take Shannon Suvaljko , he is the classic example for it in WA because he is purely a freelance driver

Shannon use to have those beautiful blue colours , so say he has got 8 drives at GP , they are non feature races , so Shannon is in those lovely blue colours for all 8 drives , it is so easy for the punter , theres Suvaljko he is on this thing , he is in his blue colours , and some punters like backing certain drivers

What they are trying to do is give the Drivers a profile , make the Drivers the Superstars , like Geoff Webster said , back in the day the leading drivers had profiles like the footy stars

So from a punting aspect i really like it , because if im having a bet interstate , i can instantly see my horse because of the drivers colours , or there is 40 seconds to start time , and you see in the prelim a certain set of drivers colours , eg - oh Robbie Morris is driving this thing , its in the market i will back it - that helps turnover
If your talking about the blue colours with the white diamond sleeves that Shannon has,he uses those colours on horses that he or his missus owns.So they are actually owners colours.

don’t forget he uses them on the horses he trains in someone else’s name aswell

JayJay · March 8

Lock up the chickens.

Chopchop43 · March 9

JayJay said:
Ahh, what a treasure you are. Not only Warren Buffett type unsolicited financial advice on where and when one should obtain horses ...which was placed in its rightful receptacle ...but branching out into Sigmund Freud Territory with psychoanalysis.......priceless. Pffft...Ego driven indeed. 8-}

from memory was it not you who referred to having a debate with me akin to debating a mentally challenged child or something along those lines ? Lets not talk about ego when someone's happy enough to go down those lines of attempted personal attacks , this is a forum for everyone's opinion on harness racing topics yea ? Or is this just your public platform to air your issues and anyone else with a different view is just mud on the bottom of your shoe ?

Chopchop43 · March 9

warrenrobinson said:
Always remember stoopid is forever :)

Intelligent individuals wouldnt dare attempt to confront and verbally abuse other participants in a public setting such as the stalls at the Pinjarra trots during a race meeting would they now ? Would be a real grub move from a licensed participants wouldn't you agree ?

JayJay · March 9

Endless clickbait from under the bridge. No more engagement from me with your reactionary pie throwing.

Chopchop43 · March 9

JayJay said:
Endless clickbait from under the bridge. No more engagement from me with your reactionary pie throwing.

no one else's fault that you cant be adult enough to respectfully disagree with others opinions and feel the need to personally degrade others, decent and respectful dialogue with other members must be hard for some

JayJay · March 9

Oh, come with old Khayyyam, and leave the Wise

To talk; one thing is certain, that Life flies;

One thing is certain, and the Rest is Lies;

The flower that once has blown forever dies.

warrenrobinson · March 9

I go back to the 4th March post , what will driver colours do to help grow a

Chopchop43 said:

warrenrobinson said:
Always remember stoopid is forever :)

Intelligent individuals wouldnt dare attempt to confront and verbally abuse other participants in a public setting such as the stalls at the Pinjarra trots during a race meeting would they now ? Would be a real grub move from a licensed participants wouldn't you agree ?

Here we go again making a statement without the facts, it was actually twice but that happens when dealing with grubs.

G'day Punter!

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