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Good Morning , Reading Trents tips for G.P he said that this was his last previews.. Anybody know why and where he is heading, Thank you
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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    Passed his management course to become Harness Racing Director?.
  • sonnysonny    1,536 posts
    Thank You Warren.. Is he replacing Bob Fowler??
  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    Worst kept secret in Harness Racing, yes.
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    Well i wish him  all the best 

    And of course Trent , to using racing talk , he was born in the purple , the sire was Bletchingly and the dam was Leilani - hah 

    But seriously , what would the job description be , ie what would be his main duties re WA Trotting - that is my question thank you.
  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    edited January 30
    The process of the appointment wouldn't pass the pub test. The entitled win again.
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    435 posts

    The process of the appointment wouldn't pass the pub test. The entitled win again.


    so who in this situation is entitled ?? I reckon you could appoint Andrew Forrest in this position and you still wouldnt be happy

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts

    Passed his management course to become Harness Racing Director?.

    Well Warren what is the corporate structure re WA Trotting 

    TC - is a Harness Racing director 

    Who is the top dog calling the shots in WA Trotting and what is his official title and who are the subordinates and what are their official titles and roles 
  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    edited January 31
    There is no single "Harness Racing Director" or "Top Dog" as such. The structure of RWWA which controls all three codes and the TAB is a Board of Directors arrangement.

    There is a board of 8...Chair plus 4 Executive Directors with various business skill sets and backgrounds plus 3 individual code Directors (Thoroughbreds Colin Holt, Greyhounds David Simmonette and up until July 2025 Bob Fowler....Currently listed vacant (for the last 6 months) on the RWWA Website, but about to be filled by Trent Cooper, if what is circulating is true.

    The three Code Directors go through a process of nomination...not quite sure how the "nomination" process works, not sure if it is advertised, not sure of what the criteria are??, then an interview by a RWWA appointed and remunerated person to assess suitability (in Harness's case, it is understood to be Mr John McIntosh.... but in some instances only) and then a final "signing off" by Industry Representative Groups at the Harness Racing Consultative Group. (Gloucester Park HRC, Harness Racing Owners Association, BOTRA, WACHRA and WASBA) who presumably consult their membership to formalise their support or otherwise for the nominated candidate. As a member of two of those Industry Groups, I am NOT aware that this has happened in the current appointment process.

    That is the top tier of governance covered, then there is a CEO (Ian Edwards) and another group of Chief Officers......Chief Racing Officer, Chief Wagering Officer, Chief Integrity Officer, Chief Financial officer, Chief Legal Governance Officer, Chief Information Officer and Chief Corporate Affairs Officer

    Then, underneath all that, there are individual Departments....and in Harness, there is a manager of Harness and Special Projects (Cameron Brown), a handicapper (Michael McDermott) and there also was a Programmer (status currently ??) and various other administrative officers and secretariat.

    Now, that is my "working" understanding of how it all works but would stand corrected on exact detail.

    So, there is no "top dog" as such, no single Peter V'Landys type person, although many have the very strong impression that the principal metropolitan club continues to see itself as the most influential power broker within the structure (as it was when it was the controlling body prior to RWWA being legislated in 2003), certainly within the Harness Racing Consultative group which determines most of the direction that the industry takes.

    Hopefully, that has clarified the structure as such, I repeat, as I understand it to be. Hope I haven't confused the issue further but I don't think a lot of industry participants would be very aware of how it all works.



  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    Thanks alot for that Jay Jay - much appreciated 

    That 4th paragraph , there is a hell of alot of Chiefs !!!

    Thus this  song is probably most appropriate for WA Racing and in particular the Trots 
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    Good morning! Trent mentioned this was his last preview for the G.P., but he hasn’t shared specific reasons publicly. It could be due to personal reasons, a career change, or focusing on other projects. There’s no official info yet on where he’s heading next. Fans are https://winspiritcasino-au.com/ curious too, so keeping an eye on his social media or official updates might provide more details soon. Thanks for asking!

  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    Well reading the tea leaves according to a few posters , he didnt have to jump through all the hoops that the other applicants had to,to  get the position  , and as result of those posts his father has got the sulks , taken his bat and ball , cut lunch and school bag , and pisssed off from the forum , well that is his decision 

    Personally i think it is a dangerous appointment and i will explain why , the number one issue re WA Trotting , is a proper 2026 circa era Metropolitan Track , and that certainly isnt some 50 year out of date 800 metre  goattrack 

    Now if you take a line through Hall Snr , who has brainwashed his son re GP 800 track is sufficient , who said quote - " GP Harness Racing is the best trotting in Aust " Hall Snr on this subject matter has also brainwashed Rocket , and anyone else silly enough to listen to him on this topic 

    Now if you look at Chariots on this forum he has consistently posted that an 800 metre track is sufficient ( unbelievable stuff ) but they need to improve the cambering . Now if he has brainwashed his son on that subject then the best thing Trent Cooper can do is immediately hand in his resignation , because i want WA Trotting showcased on a World Class Track 

    I dont want some brain washed bird brain 40-50 year out of date view 

    Now if that ruffles the feathers of a few people reading that , well to quote Mark " Jacko Jackson - then i couldnt give a shiit.

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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    Hopefully one day the truth will surface re the appointment of the Harness Director not only the present but also the past.
  • sonnysonny    1,536 posts
    Just read a few post as above.. What is the criteria for a Director, Is there a selection process or just an appointment, what qualifications does one need.. etc.. Thank You
  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    930 posts
    Markovina said:

    Well reading the tea leaves according to a few posters , he didnt have to jump through all the hoops that the other applicants had to,to  get the position  , and as result of those posts his father has got the sulks , taken his bat and ball , cut lunch and school bag , and pisssed off from the forum , well that is his decision 


    Personally i think it is a dangerous appointment and i will explain why , the number one issue re WA Trotting , is a proper 2026 circa era Metropolitan Track , and that certainly isnt some 50 year out of date 800 metre  goattrack 

    Now if you take a line through Hall Snr , who has brainwashed his son re GP 800 track is sufficient , who said quote - " GP Harness Racing is the best trotting in Aust " Hall Snr on this subject matter has also brainwashed Rocket , and anyone else silly enough to listen to him on this topic 

    Now if you look at Chariots on this forum he has consistently posted that an 800 metre track is sufficient ( unbelievable stuff ) but they need to improve the cambering . Now if he has brainwashed his son on that subject then the best thing Trent Cooper can do is immediately hand in his resignation , because i want WA Trotting showcased on a World Class Track 

    I dont want some brain washed bird brain 40-50 year out of date view 

    Now if that ruffles the feathers of a few people reading that , well to quote Mark " Jacko Jackson - then i couldnt give a shiit.



    Imagine calling everyone brainwashed because they don’t agree with you
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    I  would think it is fair comment to say someone in this day and age who  wants to retain an 800 metre track as the Capital City Metropolitan Trotting Track , has been totally brainwashed 

    And  i will add further if this nonsensical GP redevelopment was say planned in QLD when they at one stage were going to build a new Metro track - and the head person said we were going to build an 800 track - then i think there would be 1000 plus participant signatures , demanding that persons instant sacking , in fact i think the Qld participants would be that outraged/dissappointed , theyd probably go on strike for a week to highlight their point !!!!!

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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    GP Presidents Report 2009/10, John Burt. The new racetrack, whilst the track design has yet to be finalised, present indications that it will be 960metres with 100m rad, 22m wide plus a safety lane with 12% camber on the bends. The design will ensure stresses are kept low on the bends and will enable horses to race with minimal stresses whilst promoting fast times.Spiral curves will be integrated into each bend to aid the movement in and out of each bend, again minimising stresses.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    I wonder who scuttled the  960 metre new track back then , that would have been sensational for WA Trotting , and it would have been built at a fraction of the cost of today 

    Yes i wonder who the wise men were who knocked it on the head , that would be most interesting , because if that had been built WA Trotting would be in a far sounder financial  position today , probably the best harness racing in Aust , the envy of all the other states 

    And what would also be very interesting is whether any industry participants - particularly trainers who were vocally opposed to the planned 960 metre track 
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    435 posts
    Markovina said:

    I  would think it is fair comment to say someone in this day and age who  wants to retain an 800 metre track as the Capital City Metropolitan Trotting Track , has been totally brainwashed 


    And  i will add further if this nonsensical GP redevelopment was say planned in QLD when they at one stage were going to build a new Metro track - and the head person said we were going to build an 800 track - then i think there would be 1000 plus participant signatures , demanding that persons instant sacking , in fact i think the Qld participants would be that outraged/dissappointed , theyd probably go on strike for a week to highlight their point !!!!!

    so does canning 800 metre tracks apply across the state or just gp ??

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  • PinballwizardPinballwizard    28 posts



    so does canning 800 metre tracks apply across the state or just gp ??


    Apparently some think 600m goat tracks are good for the game but GP is too small and outdated. Go figure

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  • sonnysonny    1,536 posts
    Hi Pinball, In answer to your question , as far as I know only G.P is being redeveloped..
  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    Episode2, John Burt-Presidents Report 2009/10. To date the WATA has successfully completed geotechnical, heritage, environmental and planning reports will will assist when the TENDER process is undertaken.   The WATA is presently considering the necessity of producing Design Guidelines which will create more certainly for developers and is also considering possible amendments to WATA bylaws to deal with TENDERERS on a normal commercial basis.
  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    Markovina said:

    I wonder who scuttled the  960 metre new track back then , that would have been sensational for WA Trotting , and it would have been built at a fraction of the cost of today 


    Yes i wonder who the wise men were who knocked it on the head , that would be most interesting , because if that had been built WA Trotting would be in a far sounder financial  position today , probably the best harness racing in Aust , the envy of all the other states 

    And what would also be very interesting is whether any industry participants - particularly trainers who were vocally opposed to the planned 960 metre track 
    The main discussion point was the camber which iin memory was changed to 9%.The design was from Wayne Edgeloe.
  • sonnysonny    1,536 posts
    Good Morning All,I am waiting for a reply from my learned colleagues re the appointment of Trent. Can anyone advise me of the process please.. Thank You

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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    960m with a 12% camber! They would be breaking 1.50 nearly every race
  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    567 posts
    What has fast mile rates done to improve and grow our industry?.
  • G-MacG-Mac    1,677 posts
    Nothing at all, Warren. It was just an observation, no intention to say if it would be good or bad.

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