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Lee Steere Stakes

West Australian Racing
TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
edited November -1 West Australian Racing
A race really steeped in history going right back to 1893 when it was won 3 times in a row by Scarpia and often a good pointer towards the top Railway Stakes chances. Also features many top Eastern States horses and Eastern States riders Jim Cassidy and Brett Prebble for example.

An honour roll of winners features the cream of WA sprint/middle distance performers like - Belle Bizarre, Ellicorsam, Early Express, Willoughby, Bradson, Jacks Or Btter in recent times stretching back to Asian Beau, Burgess Queen, Detonator who now has races named after them and of course the wonder horse Aquanita in 1960.

In recent times it has been taken out by mares - No Questions or Grasspatch Girl maybe suited this year?? Can Charlie Beau return to top form?? or will Idyllic Prince prove dominant once again??

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HISTORY

Year Horse Trainer Jockey Weight Price Bar Time Last 600m
2006 Belle Bizarre R R Bynder P Harvey 55.5 $2.70 2 1.22.42 34.11
2005 Avenida Madero J P Taylor J Brown 55.5 $5.50 14 1.21.91 34.23
2004 Ellicorsam S L Miller Damien Oliver 55.5 $1.65 3 1.21.32 33.64
2003 Early Express P J Giadresco P Hall 58 $41.00 9 1.23.37 34.67 *run at Belmont
2002 Hardrada L P Luciani J Whiting 52 $2.50 9 1.21.93 35.12
2001 Tribula A H Mortimer S J Miller 55.5 $9.00 6 1.25.49 33.28
2000 Umrum L MacDonald J Cassidy 58 $2.00 15 1.23.68 35.15
1999 Slavonic M Price B Prebble 58 $6.00 7 1.23.53 34.04
1998 Pennyweight Point G D Harper J Cassidy 58 $3.80 8 1.24.53 36.03
1997 Willoughby M W Patemen P Knuckey 58 $6.00 1 1.22.54 34.71
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Comments

  • MightAndPowerMightAndPower    4,148 posts
    am certain charlie beau wont figure..aint in the race at all :shock: cant see the mares turning the tables on idyllic prince at same weight differentials this saturday.....so my tip(surprise surprise)

    New Spice :wink: .....also drawn well so wont be back as far this week..if he handles weight rise will go very very close imo.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    This should be an excellent betting race.

    I will really need to do some serious form study before making a selection.

    Will be interested to see the markets.
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  • HitmanHitman    146 posts
    Go the Prince.
    Forget last prep.
    He`s back!
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    I reckon WRC and New S[ice both drawn to win and will go close IMO
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  • STEELYMcBEAMSTEELYMcBEAM    250 posts
    said:

    Only 3 hopes , bag me at will.

    1.West River Charley
    2.Hartleys Dream
    3.Mansion House

    New Spice is the lay of the day imo

    hartlys dream youve been drinking to much of there wine goes good fresh all the time the never gets sighted and cant get around the bends of ascot.
    i cant see much speed so i think grasspatch girl can get it soft up front and at the wieghts be hard to run down.
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  • NortherlyNortherly    251 posts
    said:



    If they let Master Vision roll there should be plenty of pace...

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  • MightAndPowerMightAndPower    4,148 posts
    said:

    Only 3 hopes , bag me at will.

    1.West River Charley
    2.Hartleys Dream
    3.Mansion House

    New Spice is the lay of the day imo


    based upon what logique ..mr GOM?

    ill throw up HD as no hope in reply.....15 all :P
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  • SKIDSSKIDS    1,006 posts
    said:

    Only 3 hopes , bag me at will.

    1.West River Charley
    2.Hartleys Dream
    3.Mansion House

    I reckon that's the tri right before your eyes! No bagging from me GOM.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    You're both on drugs ! :lol:
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  • beckhamsbeckhams    50 posts
    UMRUM, favourite horse from back in the day. Raced on Guinneas Day 7 times in a row and had a few visits over to Perth, used to love following him in his races at a young age (now 20).
    With this race, undecided. Probably WRC and No Questions at odds
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  • ChrisChris    5,697 posts
    said:

    You're both on drugs ! :lol:

    Pass me the pipe, I think it's pretty close too
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    edited November 2007
    SPORTSBET MARKET

    DAKAS GEM 37502 51.00 12.11
    GRASSPATCH GIRL 37512 6.00 2.11
    HARTLEYS DREAM 37503 13.00 3.66
    IDYLLIC PRINCE 37504 5.50 2.00
    MANSION HOUSE 37505 9.00 2.77
    MASTER VISION 37506 151.00 34.33
    MR SANDGROPER 37501 21.00 5.44
    NEW SPICE 37507 4.50 1.77
    NO QUESTIONS 37511 10.00 3.00
    STORMBLITZ 37509 18.00 4.77
    VAIN CRUSADER 37508 6.50 2.22
    WEST RIVER CHARLEY 37510 6.00 2.11
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  • CochieCochie    42 posts
    Watch for Mansion House, think he will put a huge run in
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Well I'd definately rate IP, NS and even VC as chances ahead of HD. WRC and MH I'll go along with.
    Wouldn't be backing a bleeder (NQ) in a pressure race such as this (could do well, but wouldn't risk my hard earned).
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  • jesteressjesteress    103 posts
    i dont think theyll catch charley this time, but how good is the spice?
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  • ChrisChris    5,697 posts
    He's very good, but like Guyno I think he'll fall short second up. These stayers blitz fresh but usually have the edge taken off in their second run or two.
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    TAB sportsbet market

    DAKAS GEM 37502 51.00 12.11
    GRASSPATCH GIRL 37512 6.00 2.11
    HARTLEYS DREAM 37503 13.00 3.66
    IDYLLIC PRINCE 37504 5.50 2.00
    MANSION HOUSE 37505 9.00 2.77
    MASTER VISION 37506 151.00 34.33
    MR SANDGROPER 37501 21.00 5.44
    NEW SPICE 37507 4.50 1.77
    NO QUESTIONS 37511 10.00 3.00
    STORMBLITZ 37509 18.00 4.77
    VAIN CRUSADER 37508 6.50 2.22
    WEST RIVER CHARLEY 37510 6.00 2.11
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    $12 about Daka's Gem running a place is interesting. The only male suited at WFA.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Well I have done my form for this race and think the best suited runners are Idyllic Prince and West River Charley - they may start shorter on the day. I am big believer in current form and weights.

    I have framed the market (100%)

    IDYLLIC PRINCE $3.80
    WEST RIVER CHARLEY $4.50
    GRASSPATCH GIRL $7.00
    MANSION HOUSE $10
    NEW SPICE $11
    Upwards others

    Vain Crusader will be a drifter at $6.50 - barrier and recent form will see to that.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    I'd happily take the $11 about New Spice della . . . if we had betfair
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    How much can i have on New Spice at $11 Della ? :D :D
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    I think we had this discussion last time - my market is to 100% - I wouldnt punt to that - just think New Spice has some convinctions in this - 2nd up with 59kg and better suited over longer - been wrong before tho
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    118%
    New Spice $4
    Grasspatch Girl $5.4
    West River Charley $7
    Mansion House $7
    Idyllic Prince $7.5
    Vain Crusader $9
    No Questions $15
    Daka's Gem $18
    Stormblitz $28
    Hartley's Dream $30
    Mr Sandgroper $50
    Master Vision $500

    Pace is key here, even though he is fresh and SP probably isn't strong enough to hold him, Master Vision probably isn't quick enough to lead here. I've got Grasspatch Girl getting there pretty easily, with New Spice facing breeze, WRC box seating and Mansion House 1/1. I just don't think the pace is there to suit Vain Crusader. Don't think Idyllic is suited at the draw (at least 3 of four inside him will go forward). He'll get stuck on the fence, as we've seen before not his go.

    Can't go past the four i mentioned getting the best run on soft pace, and of those four New Spice is the star. He'll win this on the way to winning the Railway.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    PS - Big discrepancy Hartley's Dream - he's none from 11 at the track for a reason. Someone else mentioned it earlier, he just doesn't handle it.
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  • MightAndPowerMightAndPower    4,148 posts
    said:

    He's very good, but like Guyno I think he'll fall short second up. These stayers blitz fresh but usually have the edge taken off in their second run or two.

    Imo different type of stayer tho chris..can race on the pace/wide even and still fight on like not many others can.Am i crazy in thinking he is somewhat like hardrada in his racing style?(albeit hardrada didnt win beyond a mile and not a stayer as such)
    Newy Will shake the life outta this race and in running DS has it spot on where he will be :wink:
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  • pickle_punterpickle_punter    54 posts
    Think New Spice is a definite risk 2nd up and lugging 6kg extra.
    Likewise Idyllic Prince.
    I reckon the pace may be good. Master Vision fresh may fire up but I think West River Charley will hold him out and lead.
    Assuming a good pace I think Vain Crusader could be the value runner.
    Fitter and off a very strong form race I think he'll slot in worse than midfield and finish off too strongly.
    Then again, I could be completely wrong.
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  • MightyHawksMightyHawks    360 posts
    West River Charley
    Mansion House
    Hartleys Dream
    New Spice
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    Mansion House for mine.......most unlucky last start and should get a nice run tucked in behind them.

    Cheers
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  • redjavelinredjavelin    213 posts
    west river charley looks the winner and the lay has to be mansion house.
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  • kamkam    37 posts
    Picked the winner YIPPPPEEEE!! Go LILLY!!
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