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R.S. Crawford Stakes - Dark Target

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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    From Perth Racing:
    Owner/breeder Keith Beauglehole would now have to be considered one of the best breeders in the country, following the triumph of Danny Beau.

    The well related sprinter is a Zedrich half brother to champion sprinter Miss Andretti and ill-fated stable mate Charlie Beau, who Beauglehole also bred.

    Bred 3 horses from the one mare and is one of the best breeders in the country??? :shock:
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  • BlakeBlake    8,176 posts
    he did cuddle it. i agree with della, he is at his best on rock hard. the win on a slow track he beat henry the pharoah a bee's nipple.

    no pot on willie at all but i think he cuddled it thinking it would just blowem away.didn't make ground because danny beau can sit up and ping whereas dark target well i think anyway now the horse is a ONE PACER. just a fast one pacer. better off going ten to the furlong the whole way than trying to make him settle up and ping.this contradicts what i've always said about the horse i have always been for the trying to ride the horse off the speed etc but this prep he's shown he's developing into a "let him fly" type.

    reckon he'd still nearly win an oakleigh plate, get in light maybe 51-52kg on his back, fly along, scoot around the turn at caulfield and straighten up 3 in front. just hope he doesn't do a morgan dollar did on caulfield cup day. that is the race i'd be setting him for. first up oakleigh plate have him rock hard fit and just let him run.
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  • DarkDark    909 posts
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    i think anyway now the horse is a ONE PACER.

    He went 31.90 for his last 600 3 starts back. I think you will find Pikes comments to be true, he couldnt get a grip on the ground.
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  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    yeah wilson, more like the "luckiest" breeder in australia...
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Agree Henley [the luckiestmaybe]
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    yeah wilson, more like the "luckiest" breeder in australia...

    Do they have any of producing mares or just this one ?
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Just the Marooned mare [Peggies Bid] from what i can gather she was no chop at the racing game was meant to be a Mum .
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    Just the Marooned mare [Peggies Bid] from what i can gather she was no chop at the racing game was meant to be a Mum .

    As much as I would want to emulate thier success with this Mare, just having one producing Mare does make you the "best breeder" in the country. Having several going to several Stallions and producing results across the board makes you good at it. I agree with the lucky comment.

    But hey, I would love to have some of thier luck.
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
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    said:

    i think anyway now the horse is a ONE PACER.

    He went 31.90 for his last 600 3 starts back. I think you will find Pikes comments to be true, he couldnt get a grip on the ground.
    That was with 54kg and everything in that race ran incredible sections. Hopelessly out of form Wire Detonator bled in the race and got beaten 7.25L and still ran 32.85.
    Given there was rain around and the times on Tuesday were nothing flash, what time would you have expected Dark Target would have run his last 600m in given he was 3rd up and coming back in distance as well as carrying 57kg?
    What if I told you he needed to run home in 32.12 to win? I bet if we all knew that, his price would have gone into the black. If 3kg=1.5-2L depending on your philosophy, the increased weight alone would be enough to take his 31.9 beyond the 32.12 needed for victory.
    You heard it here first. Danny Beau ran the last 600m in 32.28!!!
    So the answer is.......Danny Beau put in a personal best and beat Dark Target fair and square. No excuses for Dark Target other than Pike was ambushed by a great performance. Had he known Danny was capable of that, maybe he would have poured on the pressure from the start. Hindsight is 20/20 and it would seem that if Pike had poured it on and gone for broke, he MAY have won, however, they are getting DT to settle a bit better which is better for his longevity (not that it helps those who bled from the pocket yesterday).
    I repeat 32.28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Compare that to the next best winning last 600 on the day!
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    After seeing the vid, still think he could've went harder especially in the early stages. He did seem overconfident for mine.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Trainer reckons was not suited by bar shoes on slippery surface also came back with elavated heart rate and big in condition with all those factors it wouldnt have mattered if he had lead them up still would have got run down ,think the point is Darkshines is that Danny Beau was flat as a biscuit .IMO
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Sorry i meant Dark Target was flat as a Biscuit not Danny Beau ,my apoligies
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    Dark Target ran home in approximately 32.35! Fair dinkum, I wish I owned a horse that ran 32.35 despite slipping in bar shoes and pulling up with an elevated heart rate!
    Excuses, excuses.......why can't they accept that he ran well and give full credit to the winner? The next best sectional run by a leader on the day was......34.62!!!!! The next best sectional full stop was 33.67 by Chance In Time which came from near last.
    Given the performance of Danny Beau, Dark Target was set a task that was beyond him. If people took more notice of 32.28 they might give Danny Beau more credit and stop looking for excuses for Dark Target.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Good call Rodent
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  • wozzawozza    233 posts
    Good call Rodent. As I said to Della stop making excuses. Danny Beau goes okay too.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    edited November 2008
    So rodent do u believe Dark Target ran to par ability, better or worse??

    My point all along has been it ran below par, u disagreeing with that?

    PS - were are u getting your 600m sectionals from?
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Ran below par if compared to last 2 starts but was beaten by a horse who is 5 from 5 at Ascot DB so take notjing away from his win
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    Dark Target ran home in approximately 32.35! Fair dinkum, I wish I owned a horse that ran 32.35 despite slipping in bar shoes and pulling up with an elevated heart rate!
    Excuses, excuses.......why can't they accept that he ran well and give full credit to the winner? The next best sectional run by a leader on the day was......34.62!!!!! The next best sectional full stop was 33.67 by Chance In Time which came from near last.
    Given the performance of Danny Beau, Dark Target was set a task that was beyond him. If people took more notice of 32.28 they might give Danny Beau more credit and stop looking for excuses for Dark Target.

    very accurate section measurement rodent!
    i get it only slightly slower as i do danny beau.
    maybe the elevated heart rate is because of that section?

    but mytahlo(who???) was able to run 32.35 against the wind the other day over a longer trip.

    i have it dark target's worst run for a while(by a long way) and on a par with when it beat henry.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    So rodent do u believe Dark Target ran to par ability, better or worse??

    My point all along has been it ran below par, u disagreeing with that?

    PS - were are u getting your 600m sectionals from?

    you can use that program della!
    find the exact 600 point from a race where there is a section given.
    then measure from that spot for dt's race.
    it's near the beginning of the budget sign on outside fence
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
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    Dark Target ran home in approximately 32.35! Fair dinkum, I wish I owned a horse that ran 32.35 despite slipping in bar shoes and pulling up with an elevated heart rate!
    Excuses, excuses.......why can't they accept that he ran well and give full credit to the winner? The next best sectional run by a leader on the day was......34.62!!!!! The next best sectional full stop was 33.67 by Chance In Time which came from near last.
    Given the performance of Danny Beau, Dark Target was set a task that was beyond him. If people took more notice of 32.28 they might give Danny Beau more credit and stop looking for excuses for Dark Target.

    Danny Beau went great no doubt. But I'm solid that if DT sat alongside him and annoyed him he wins. It's not as though DT was the first up one lacking fitness that needed to be cuddled - he's the fit one thats had the runs. DB was the one needing cuddling. But he cuddled DT. Back in distance to the 1000 and full well knowing the capabilities of DB, I think the riding instructions would be elementary in a two horse race - don't let your main rival run the race to suit himself.

    Surely if they run low 32s but only just broke 58 then the first 400 was comparitively lesuirely? Wouldn't have been that great an effort to eyeball the leader given that. He needed to do more in the early stages for mine. The horse had led at all it's previous starts, but here played to the strengths of his main rival. To me that is pilot error.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    dark targets' problem was it's last win was stratospheric.

    99 times out of a 100, horses that do that drop by a huge amount next time they run.

    wa has one notable exception to that rule though....i wonder who
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    i think he's best kept fresh. 3-4 weeks between runs. Last year they got into the trap of over racing him (8 runs in 11 weeks) and he was beaten more often than not. Love to see him have a run a month and see how he goes.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    I simply don't think Danny Beau's that great to be honest. Apply a bit of acid to him and i think he folds like origami.

    We'll see in about two weeks time.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    dark targets' problem was it's last win was stratospheric.

    99 times out of a 100, horses that do that drop by a huge amount next time they run.

    wa has one notable exception to that rule though....i wonder who

    Vain Raider?
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
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    Given the performance of Danny Beau, Dark Target was set a task that was beyond him.

    Della, of course Dark Target ran below what he is capable of. I just don't think he ran below what we could expect of him over the last 600m!
    How could Dark Target run up to his best when he was restrained to a pedestrian 25.85 for the first 400m?
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    The same Vain Raider who was run down by Broome Time and Spirited One? The same Broome Time who went awful yesterday???
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
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    said:


    Given the performance of Danny Beau, Dark Target was set a task that was beyond him.

    Della, of course Dark Target ran below what he is capable of. I just don't think he ran below what we could expect of him over the last 600m!
    How could Dark Target run up to his best when he was restrained to a pedestrian 25.85 for the first 400m?
    Exactly!
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    i dont think you can be too critical of Pikey thinking he had the measure of the rest of them. Im sure I'd have probably made the same mistake based on his previous two runs.
    When Danny Beau runs a secional like that in front, its near on mathematically impossible to run him down.
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
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    i dont think you can be too critical of Pikey thinking he had the measure of the rest of them. Im sure I'd have probably made the same mistake based on his previous two runs.
    When Danny Beau runs a secional like that in front, its near on mathematically impossible to run him down.

    I agree Diva. I did my rrrr's on the race but I didn't bag Pike as I thought he played it safe thinking he had Danny Beau's measure. I for one did not think Danny could do that.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    That's the one linc! The numbers men have it as the next phar lap!
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