STILL NO PLEA FROM TEAM WILLIAMS

FairCraic69 · February 7

Hayden King ran a story in todays West Australian Newspaper racing section with a file photo from 10 days ago of Racing Royalty with No New detail?

Does this saga go anywhere until the Stewards get a Plea?

Is there anyone on the Inside thats a PTT contributor that can shed any New Light on where this is Going?

It seems Donna Riordan is the Big Winner here we see horses being transferred to Her and other stables But it Seems No News from Team Williams?

reloadwa · February 7

below update yesterday apprently.

Solicitors for Grant & Alana Williams have today lodged an appeal with the Racing Penalties Appeal Tribunal against RWWA’s decision to apply LR22, which has prevented the operation from trialling or racing horses.

DamienWyer · February 7

Lodging an appeal against LR22 is a strategy but almost pointless as any challenge to having this rule will be for a future time and not this case as the application of the rule was not even a discussion until this point. Like I said previously, many legal positions are purely calculated strategies on the road to an appeal process.

Here is the thing as I understand it. You cannot appeal without a finding. LR22 amounts to bail conditions in say a criminal matter that is awaiting trial. Until the Williams have concluded their matter before Stewards, they can hardly appeal what is a condition of their licence.

I'm pretty sure that Trainers Licences are not handed out with the recipient conditionally agreeing to abide by only some of the rules.

On that basis I think the lodgement of this appeal will be unsuccessful. But like I said, it's part of the process, ticking the boxes in the hope that it may deliver the unlikely hail mary even if it is at long odds.

What I think should be more of a consideration is asking Stewards to accept a plea in the absence of a viable defence and if you like, throwing themselves on the mercy of the court because they have no idea how or why or who might have done this. That is still ultimately the Trainers responsibility to be in charge of everything that may go into a horse in their care and that they have always acted with integrity and are both confused and surprised by these events but are willing to swallow a reasonable application of the rules in the greater interest of the Industry.

The longer this matter goes on the worse it would appear to have become. I thought this matter would be dealt with summarily with a fine of perhaps $5,000. A source in WA with connections inside the fort, thought two years with 12 months and then 12 months good behaviour. That pales into insignificance to the smarties in Melbourne saying that 5 years is a real possibility.

Being discussed almost daily on Industry Radio, then posted as sound bites on Facebook and the like is hardly helping Grant & Alana. I don't know if the racing solicitor out of Melbourne who now has taken over from Tom Percy KC would have had a discussion similar to what I have said here, but I think it would have been prudent so that his new clients would be able to make a well informed decision rather than the views of a couple of ill informed blow hards who never should have been put to air.

I really like Grant & Alana, I tried to get a horse or two in there for several seasons back when I represented for an owner but alas they had a water tight agreement with my former car yard boss. I think they are miles in front of the rest of the WA Industry and have proven that they can identify stock since they lost the afore mentioned mega owner.

So I hope they can put this behind them quickly and regain their position in WA.

DamienWyer · February 7

FairCraic69 could you limit your comments on this matter to a single thread? You have started three for the same topic. Thank you.

Muldoon · February 8

DamienWyer said:

FairCraic69 could you limit your comments on this matter to a single thread? You have started three for the same topic. Thank you.

Surely admin here could merge them, if they wanted too.

FairCraic69 · February 8

Onya Damo and Muldoon the 3 New Discussion Headlines are All Different, So No, No need to combine into 1. thread, and 2. All I see here is Speculation or Lay Terms comparing Civil Law to WATC-RWWA Rules of Racing the two are Very Different as we know they can even Eject members as persona non grata from Members AGM's

Muldoon · February 8

FairCraic69 said:
Onya Damo and Muldoon the 3 New Discussion Headlines are All Different, So No, No need to combine into 1. thread, and 2. All I see here is Speculation or Lay Terms comparing Civil Law to WATC-RWWA Rules of Racing the two are Very Different as we know they can even Eject members as persona non grata from Members AGM's

My point, "if they wanted too" meaning if they think it necessary. In saying that having three topics, which are all referencing the same persons (and you cannot deny that), it makes for heavy reading & backtracking

spinking · February 8

Crack you must of forgot about putting the Bart story in the first thread. Or possibly thought it was that humerus it deserved being in two

AbbysAce · February 8

If Tom Percy cant get them off , how does a Victorian?

FairCraic69 · February 9

Spanking it's Craic as in What's The Craic

DamienWyer · February 13

Latest news is that there is no news. No date has been set for the next stage in this matter according to the RPAT Registrar.

*I had to pick this thread out of the five available.

FairCraic69 · February 13

Don’t worry everyone — after 7,899 posts he’s still browsing, not moderating.

G'day Punter!

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