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A Return To Pinjarra

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Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
edited December 2025 West Australian Racing
With rain and overcast conditions set off on Boxing Day for the first time in about 20 years to Pinjarra, was somewhat different to what i remember, that’s not being critical, was a happy and festive family crowd, whereas as recall when was mostly a betting crowd, a circle of lawn that once saw 10 - 12 bookmakers plying their trade was now taken up by families and friends.

The ladies working the tote were very pleasant and was easy enough to get a bet on. Sadly on course bookmakers though have gone the same way as the evening newspaper, never to return. Mores the pity, does take something away from a day at the track.

By about race 3 the clouds began to dissipate and cool sunny blue skies returned, and the Pinjarra grass was in the same immaculate condition as remembered.

A good highlight was the comfortable Cafe area and seeing photos on the wall of the 1990’s Pinjarra feature race winners and their respective jockeys - a name that featured regularly either winning or being in the placings was Troy Jackman - also great to see names like Laurie Millington, Jeff Berry, Stephen Miller, David Catarino, Peter Barnett, Bluey Lambie, John Claite and several others.

One Pinjarra Cup photo 1991 or 92 won by Cambridge Lad the winning hoops in order were Troy Jackman - Shaun O’Donnell - Laurie Millington and the 3 place getters in what looked a blanket finish carried between 50kgs and 52kgs. O’Donnell still riding there today thats longevity.

Jeff Berry was good to see his name again, recall him riding a long shot at Pinjarra decades ago was either first up or second up in a big field of 16, it’s name was Sinners Garden - don’t think ever reached any great heights or any heights at all, was looking for a couple of rough ones to back a place - and liked “Chuck” Berry and thought maybe this Sinners Garden at around 40/1 might run a drum, was clutching at straws, a guy next to me as the jockeys mounted up politely called out any chance Jeff and the reply was pretty straight forward and to the point “no mate no chance.”

Had been around racetracks long enough by then and when heard that thought perhaps it is a hope! On the back of an excellent ride he got it into second or third.

Even though today was a lack lustre meeting quality wise, was an enjoyable day run in nice cool conditions the 2 young blokes who did the mounting yard presentation and interviewed the hoops after they won couldn’t fault them. They had a job to do and did it well. As the winning jockeys after the interview walked close to the mounting yard fence was easy to give them a “well done” and after backing the card did that 8 times - i wish - dream on!!!

Finally that was the first time ever been to a race, trot or greyhound meeting where apart from the jockeys and trainers did not see one single face i knew. Time marches on.

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  • shothrushothru    323 posts
    Chuck was at Albany races yesterday

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited December 2025
    Another jockey’s name that was good to see in the photos was Paul King recall him having a very good run at Belmont Park. Could polarise the punters a little but thought he was great, had a knack of swooping on them late.

    Talking of which was very difficult yesterday to come from behind. Top four or five in running was the place to be.

    A couple of other things was $20 to get in and $10 concession, probably hard to strike the right balance especially for country clubs - think $10 and $5 is more than enough, but that’s from the payees point of view.

    Lots of security guys too that was a big change.

    Another name revival was winner Sky Duke a horse of the same name raced in the 1970’s.

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Was only talking about Jeff Berry and B.C Mueller yesterday, reminiscing the Boxing Day success of Scornvale when it bolted in the Karrakatta ...... and the lengthy "run on" post the races at the old Ascot Inne.Must have been 40 years ago? Jeff was still an apprentice back then.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    In the great “Columbo” fashion of “just one other thing” …when the hoops come back to scale and un saddle that process seemed to go a lot faster. There’s a quick word and within a blink horse and jockey both out of sight whereas in the past recall that taking longer. Time is of the essence in 2025.
  • spinkingspinking    3,995 posts
    Riders sadly another part of Pinjarra that has disappeared like that well patronised bookie ring out the back, which you couldn’t go past when leaving the Lamb shank van. Little quiz see who gets the answer first. Who was Chuck Berry apprentice to?
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    Spink has JJ provided the answer above ?

    Now talking of lamb shank one of the food vans had run out of gravy by race 3! The soft serve ice cream guy did a good trade and the $6.50 single chocolate whippy was very good.

    Without chocolate was $6 a fair bit away from the times of running down the street to buy one when they were 5 cents a single and 10 cents a double .

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,410 posts
    edited December 2025
    spinking said:

    Who was Chuck Berry apprentice to?

    Bill Haley  :))

    Enjoy reading your trips down memory lane Riders.

    My two main memories of Pinjarra are Flies and witnessing the Mark Miller incident

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,402 posts

    spinking said:

    Who was Chuck Berry apprentice to?

    Bill Haley  :))

    Enjoy reading your trips down memory lane Riders.

    My two main memories of Pinjarra are Flies and witnessing the Mark Miller incident

    Which incident was Mark Miller involved in at Pinny?
  • spinkingspinking    3,995 posts
    Reached over and grabbed I think it was Jimmy Taylor’s reign Flanders. Race could have been the inaugural mat maker stakes where the winner received a service to a nominated stallion . I think

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    I believe Jeff Berry started off apprenticed to Peter McKay. I think some involvement with Bruce Kay either before or after McKays but had great success when he shifted to Brian and Lorraine Muellers. I think Lannie Bell and Peter Barnett also indentured to Brian at the same time.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,410 posts
    edited December 2025
    Correct regarding incident Spinking and you may be right regarding the race title

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited December 2025
    Recall seeing Family Of Man at Pinjarra - they had a fantastic race there for a few years could’ve been a lead into the Australian Derby can’t remember now - do recall seeing JJ Miller ride in it must have been right at the end of his career, anyway was watching on Channel 7 a replay of the race maybe 30 years ago, and they come down straight showing some of the crowd and what the…think that’s me there! I’ve tried to locate the race on you tube but no it’s nowhere to be found.

    Starstruck for Mark Miller was a far better horse than i thought had some good clashes with Juene. Was on Juene and Starstruck beat him on his merits a few times Miller seemed to enjoy it a little bit more getting over the top of Shane Dye on Juene in there clashes. He was an outstanding hoop. They both were.

    When “Chuck” Berry said no chance that also can mean but I’m doing my best. It was 40/1 he wasn’t the only one that thought that. Also they’re riding for owners and trainer, and themselves - not for me. The way it should be.

    Also as someone once said “the quickest way to lose friends - tip them horses.”

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Very early days in his apprenticeship, Jeff Berry landed On Petite at Pinjarra at 66/1 for an elderly trainer at the time Bill???? I had a tenner on her. Nice day out.

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  • ManchildManchild    839 posts
    Pinjarra Cup was when Mark grabbed the reins of Jimmys horse .
    What a day.

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  • ManchildManchild    839 posts
    Chuck was apprenticed to Peter McKay, then Brian Mueller

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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    JayJay said:

    Very early days in his apprenticeship, Jeff Berry landed On Petite at Pinjarra at 66/1 for an elderly trainer at the time Bill???? I had a tenner on her. Nice day out.

    Comino. Looks like the only race it must have won
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  • spinkingspinking    3,995 posts
    JJ and Manchild both correct about Chuck Berry . After speaking with Groover he informs me the race was called the Coralpark cup the horse he was on was Lemrak trained by Kay not sure if spelt it correctly
  • ManchildManchild    839 posts
    Jim rode  one of Len Mortons

  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts

    JayJay said:

    Very early days in his apprenticeship, Jeff Berry landed On Petite at Pinjarra at 66/1 for an elderly trainer at the time Bill???? I had a tenner on her. Nice day out.

    Comino. Looks like the only race it must have won
    Yep, grey horse, had pink or cerise in the colours. The things you remember.
  • savethegamesavethegame    3,215 posts
    My Father had the slowest grey horse evet was by Martello Towers outa Water Glory was by Wateringbury,you could push a peanut with your nose quicker then it could run.
    But left some good ones Artello Bay,Sir Mardia, Kaytello, Kendon,San Towers ones i can remember.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    kendon...owned by 2 brothers ken & don......i forget which one was as mean as cats muck, if he was a ghost he wouldn't give you a fright...the other was a real good bloke..

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  • bookieloverbookielover    2,708 posts
    Riders, the last time I was at Pinny, was in 2018. Had a great day out. There were 6 bookies from memory. The Mckormacks, Trevor Burrows Richard Collette, a bookie from Broome, Lindsay/ Stlyleform and the late Bob Howatt. 

    Reading your original post, are you saying not one bookie worked there?  Peter and Scott Mac work virtually everywhere, although last time I spoke to them a few  years ago, they were giving away Northam because no one was going and it was a waste of time being there. The question is, how bad has Pinjarra become if they, let alone not any other bookie, wants to work there. And if they don't go there, then they definitely won't go to Bunbury.

    The cost of attending is ridiculous. A couple going pay 40.00 before they have had a bet let alone something to eat. A pensioner couple pay 20.00. Your suggestion of 10.00 and 5.00 is sensible. But having committees at race clubs operate either a modicum of common sense, is a forlorn hope.


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  • meatpiemeatpie    595 posts
    A big issue for on course bookies is that most race clubs in WA run their own 'book' through FOB on self service machines.

    Most new punters (younger demographic) are programmed to use a machine or phone. I would think the hold on the FOB at Pinj would be very significant.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    Didn’t see one there BL.

    Also did i read right that at country Victorian harness meetings that’s there’s now not only no bookmakers on track but no tote facilities either ?!! Astounding. I couldn’t believe that. Perhaps at Melton trots too ? Im sure I read something about the tote facilities going.

    Bet - move - eat - scratch your head - all online!

    I think all race meetings with the exception of the big days throw the gates open - must be hard for country clubs though but $10 and $5 is more than enough.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited January 1
    Okay I’m not with the times…tried to think what it means, and it’ll be obvious to everyone else but I’m buggered if i know - what does FOB mean ?

    On a different note was looking at Betfair and in the run betting always puzzles me how when a horse looms up to win and comes into say $1.10 how in that split second do you get on ? Another blink the race is over you’d have to be mighty quick.

    Those guys that blow a fortune backing things at $1.01 when they’ve dashed to the front at the 200 only to die on the run and get run down - why would you back something at $1.01 ?!!

    You need 100 of them to win in a row - ( and they don’t ) before can afford one of them to lose just to break even - madness.

    Bookielover if you layed every odds on favourite on a Metropolitan track every Saturday and Public Holiday for 52 weeks of the year would you finish in front ? Is it that simple ?

    I guess the thing is having a big enough bank to hold onto after 6 or 7 odds on pops win in a row - if can ride that out then sooner or later they will lose, but enough to finish in front ??

    It’s that favourite versus the field bet that interests me but only when the fave is odds on - and around say 1/3 to 9/10.

    I’d say in the halcyon days bookies loved odds on favourites ? Just enough of them running to keep it interesting with the big players who could really bet up on them.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited January 1
    And just back to the Tote - World Pools and all the hocus pocus talk of stability in the pools, the fact is you’re betting into a higher takeout rate than the normal Tabcorp one - some of the dividends on those races compared to fixed odds, SP etc - deplorable.

    The average punter doesn’t want world pools the average punter wants lower take out rates. Both preferably.

    Am all for a National Tote or a World Pool but not on the basis of the punter being ripped off. Takeout rates since the tote was established have only ever gone up not down - it’s a trend that needs to cease or sports betting will replace it if hasn’t already.

    See trifecta betting takeout was around 15% then 18% up to 20% and now “sneaking” to 21% my goodness when does it cease ? 25% 30% not a case of if but when. Once win and place and novelties go over 20% with a rounding down of dividends - forget it.

    Some of the other jurisdictions around the world that Tabcorp commingles staggeringly high.

    Stability of pools, liquidity - that’s mumbo jumbo talk, they can put a spin on anything. Overall dividends are less - fact.

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  • bigorangecatbigorangecat    67 posts
    ????????????????????Riders.
    Awesome to have you back brother.
    You have been missed.
    FOB is Fixed Odds Betting.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    ^ nice to see you pop your noggin above the trenches....
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,410 posts
    Great work Riders
  • GLAMOURGLAMOUR    870 posts
    Where is Brad Parnham,is he injured?,hes not on the suspended list.thought yesterday with Perth Cup days one of the biggest day,also thought Holly Nottle aquited herself well being her 1st big Sat riding at a Sat meeting since gaining her Sat licence.

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