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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    568 posts
    Actually i just remembered a article The Albany Advertiser did on me after i had i'd won my 4th Albany Cup but  it didn't hit the front page like your exploits down there, your far more famous than me. 
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  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    930 posts
    warrenrobinson said:

    Actually i just remembered a article The Albany Advertiser did on me after i had i'd won my 4th Albany Cup but  it didn't hit the front page like your exploits down there, your far more famous than me. 

    warrenrobinson said:

    Actually i just remembered a article The Albany Advertiser did on me after i had i'd won my 4th Albany Cup but  it didn't hit the front page like your exploits down there, your far more famous than me. 

    warrenrobinson said:

    Actually i just remembered a article The Albany Advertiser did on me after i had i'd won my 4th Albany Cup but  it didn't hit the front page like your exploits down there, your far more famous than me. 




    I remember reading about you yep, something like Warren the cups king! career training wins of 60 odd saves it for the big dance
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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    568 posts
    Is that 60 before you were born or after?

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Actually, 78 winners prior to the Rocket leaving the launch pad.

    But we perhaps should move on before we start comparing who owns the most land or has the biggest house or whatever?

    The base premise of the discussion, kicked off by Ernie reporting on Industry Integrity which we all surely must rate as the highest priority, is whether cheating should be publicised or swept under the carpet? Clearly some subscribe to "do the crime, expect to be exposed, cop it sweet" whilst  others say keep it hidden and out of the papers.

    I think I know which way the public feel about such matters and there is no broom involved.

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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    435 posts
    JayJay said:

    Actually, 78 winners prior to the Rocket leaving the launch pad.

    But we perhaps should move on before we start comparing who owns the most land or has the biggest house or whatever?

    The base premise of the discussion, kicked off by Ernie reporting on Industry Integrity which we all surely must rate as the highest priority, is whether cheating should be publicised or swept under the carpet? Clearly some subscribe to "do the crime, expect to be exposed, cop it sweet" whilst  others say keep it hidden and out of the papers.

    I think I know which way the public feel about such matters and there is no broom involved.

    I'm all for those sort of matters being public, the embarrassing thing however is the real lack of punishment for repeat offenders, wouldn't have anyone involved with any of my horses in any way , shape or form who have been guilty in that regard it's why the mere mention of integrity within this industry gets laughed at

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,004 posts
    Chopchop43 said:

    JayJay said:

    Actually, 78 winners prior to the Rocket leaving the launch pad.

    But we perhaps should move on before we start comparing who owns the most land or has the biggest house or whatever?

    The base premise of the discussion, kicked off by Ernie reporting on Industry Integrity which we all surely must rate as the highest priority, is whether cheating should be publicised or swept under the carpet? Clearly some subscribe to "do the crime, expect to be exposed, cop it sweet" whilst  others say keep it hidden and out of the papers.

    I think I know which way the public feel about such matters and there is no broom involved.

    I'm all for those sort of matters being public, the embarrassing thing however is the real lack of punishment for repeat offenders, wouldn't have anyone involved with any of my horses in any way , shape or form who have been guilty in that regard it's why the mere mention of integrity within this industry gets laughed at



    Not sure what your talking about Chop, I really enjoy reading articles celebrating trainers career milestones only a few years after they've been found tubing horses on the side of the road, really screams even playing field.
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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    435 posts
    Gilgamesh said:

    Chopchop43 said:

    JayJay said:

    Actually, 78 winners prior to the Rocket leaving the launch pad.

    But we perhaps should move on before we start comparing who owns the most land or has the biggest house or whatever?

    The base premise of the discussion, kicked off by Ernie reporting on Industry Integrity which we all surely must rate as the highest priority, is whether cheating should be publicised or swept under the carpet? Clearly some subscribe to "do the crime, expect to be exposed, cop it sweet" whilst  others say keep it hidden and out of the papers.

    I think I know which way the public feel about such matters and there is no broom involved.

    I'm all for those sort of matters being public, the embarrassing thing however is the real lack of punishment for repeat offenders, wouldn't have anyone involved with any of my horses in any way , shape or form who have been guilty in that regard it's why the mere mention of integrity within this industry gets laughed at



    Not sure what your talking about Chop, I really enjoy reading articles celebrating trainers career milestones only a few years after they've been found tubing horses on the side of the road, really screams even playing field.
    <br/Let's be honest you can't have horse racing and even playing field, whether it be owners having millions to spend on horses whilst we plug away with out battlers , or whether it's trainers getting a slap on the wrist for multiple banned substance breaches

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,004 posts
    Chopchop43 said:

    Gilgamesh said:

    Chopchop43 said:

    JayJay said:

    Actually, 78 winners prior to the Rocket leaving the launch pad.

    But we perhaps should move on before we start comparing who owns the most land or has the biggest house or whatever?

    The base premise of the discussion, kicked off by Ernie reporting on Industry Integrity which we all surely must rate as the highest priority, is whether cheating should be publicised or swept under the carpet? Clearly some subscribe to "do the crime, expect to be exposed, cop it sweet" whilst  others say keep it hidden and out of the papers.

    I think I know which way the public feel about such matters and there is no broom involved.

    I'm all for those sort of matters being public, the embarrassing thing however is the real lack of punishment for repeat offenders, wouldn't have anyone involved with any of my horses in any way , shape or form who have been guilty in that regard it's why the mere mention of integrity within this industry gets laughed at



    Not sure what your talking about Chop, I really enjoy reading articles celebrating trainers career milestones only a few years after they've been found tubing horses on the side of the road, really screams even playing field.




    Yes very true.
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  • PinballwizardPinballwizard    28 posts
    Ivorytrunkey86 said:

    You old fellas are mates with Ernie so understandably you stick up for him,
    His article today also brought up AGAIN the race that was investigated up north…..said race and jockey were investigated with nothing found so absolutely no reason to print it again.


    Ernie dredges up that Broome race yet again

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  • Ivorytrunkey86Ivorytrunkey86    241 posts
    Yep after afantastic article by Hayden king yesterday talking up the racing and the sport.

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  • AbbysAceAbbysAce    699 posts
    Is there a new rule that stablemates have to draw next to each other?

    It would have to be a world first the amount of stablemates that have drawn beside each other in friday , saturday, monday and tuesday fields.

    Or is there a glinch in the system?

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  • JasperJasper    59 posts
    I attended the Bunbury meeting and saw a horse who appeared to me to be a couple of feeds away from looking like a rescue horse. It didn’t have “a lean horse due to fitness look”, more the look of a skinny horse due to a lack of sustenance ie lack of top line and rump, numerous ribs evident, thinnish neck etc. I didn’t know the bar was so low with respect to allowing such skinny looking horses to race these days.
    (For the record the horse raced well)
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,215 posts
    Drivers weight heard all the pro's and con's over the years, Years ago they believed it made difference ,races were lost due to drivers weighing in under 10 stone 63 5kg.
    Minimum weight was introduced due to driver who weighed 7st 2lb 45.3 kg was winning alot races,
    So everyone had to be minimum 63 5kg with lead being carried by the lightweights,

    So that's bygone era , But without shadow of doubt ,the drivers like B Purdon are getting rare we have gone from wooden carts, stainless steel , to the heavy yank carts.

    Just at guess D Roberts would be 50--52 kgs , does it make no difference what's the science tells us aerodynamic 's etc nowadays .Most of top drivers would be under 75kg?



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  • FrogFrog    169 posts
    Just been to the Collie meeting.
    If you haven't watched any races,
    I would highly recommend watching the replays it will take 30 minutes 
    (gets some beers in the freezer and some chips or popcorn)
    A combo between Benny Hill show and The Paul Hogan show
    Enjoy.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    Read post after post on this site , that the WA Trots are financially fecked 

    However on the SMH news site , i just read a report , last financial year in Victoria the 3 codes combined lost $58 million 

    Vic Harness Racing lost $24 million Vic Greyhounds lost $22 million , said both codes were cutting/slashing staff numbers and re programming races 

    And Racing Victoria - the Gallops lost $12 million , betting turnover down 10.2% to 7.9 billion 

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    What the Science does tell us is that gravity is actually real. I have heard the old flannel that weight makes you go faster because of momentum, that having Big Ron Percy the Cannington Milkman and a bloody good horseman but weighing about 23 stone  versus ex Jockey Malcolm Campbell at about 7 stone wringing wet sitting behind your horse makes no difference.....seriously, flat earth stuff.Pretty sure my wheelbarrow is easier to shift empty than with 50 brick pavers, regardless of how aerodynamically I stack them.

    WA Trots is a financial basket case even without the downturn in turnover nation wide. When you only generate around $23 million of the $60 million it costs to run the show, and when your principal track is generating  turnover revenue of less than 38 cents in the dollar for every dollar paid in stakes, then Yep, I reckon that qualifies as being in a bit of trouble.

    Action packed day at Collie alright, dull it wasn't.

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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    435 posts
    Markovina said:

    Read post after post on this site , that the WA Trots are financially fecked 


    However on the SMH news site , i just read a report , last financial year in Victoria the 3 codes combined lost $58 million 

    Vic Harness Racing lost $24 million Vic Greyhounds lost $22 million , said both codes were cutting/slashing staff numbers and re programming races 

    And Racing Victoria - the Gallops lost $12 million , betting turnover down 10.2% to 7.9 billion 

    been saying it like its going out of fashion but WA isn't the only state on the downward trend and what you just stated marko is evidence that this could well in fact be a nationwide issue
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  • JasperJasper    59 posts
    Re Collie - not a good look for the sport with so many horses breaking up and causing interference, lucky there wasn’t any accidents.
    A lot amount of dust was being produced so not sure whether the track was too soft or whether it was just poor driving on a tight track, horses jumping shadows etc. The water truck broke down but that was quickly fixed.
    Excellent crowd though. Waldrotts also dominated!

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  • VillageKidVillageKid    2,357 posts
    Kudos to Matt Young for the very clever call in the first race-

    "Write Rite Right is doing things Wrong Wrong Wrong"


    ;)) =D>

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  • JasperJasper    59 posts
    That was a classic comment. He actually did a great job all day given it was a challenging day for a caller, really added to the atmosphere.
    Also gave a wrap to the young woman AV who drove the last winner. I think that was her second winner in 8 drives which is an exiting start to her career.

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    It is time for a changing of the guard, not a shadow of doubt in my mind that Matt Young should be the prime harness caller in WA. The current occupier of the chair's calling has become stereotypical and quite bizarre.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,307 posts
    Chopchop43 said:

    Markovina said:

    Read post after post on this site , that the WA Trots are financially fecked 


    However on the SMH news site , i just read a report , last financial year in Victoria the 3 codes combined lost $58 million 

    Vic Harness Racing lost $24 million Vic Greyhounds lost $22 million , said both codes were cutting/slashing staff numbers and re programming races 

    And Racing Victoria - the Gallops lost $12 million , betting turnover down 10.2% to 7.9 billion 

    been saying it like its going out of fashion but WA isn't the only state on the downward trend and what you just stated marko is evidence that this could well in fact be a nationwide issue
    Re those Victorian , huge trading losses accross the 3 codes for 23/24 

    In my opinion the Greyhound result 22 mill loss is 10 thousand times worse than the Trots loss of 24 mill 

    The reason being greyhound 30 seconds the race over , hooked punters dont even need to now the name of the dog , just follow the colour of the rug , i will have $20 on the pink or the yellow its in the market , blink and its over , then there is another dog race somewhere , rinse and repeat , in my view with that set up theve got , its the closest thing to poker machines , play one , have another shot and another shot 

    And i thought one of the reasons some of the dills in charge of Trots , gave for re introducing these failed rubbish 1100 metre races , was , we have to be like the Dogs , the punters want an instant result , they dont want to watch a couple of laps for a couple of minutes , they want a quick result , then reload 

    Well guess what that mob just lost 22 million , a staggering loss , considering all the idiotic , hooked , addicted punters out their , who would bet on 2 flies crawling up a wall , well the Dishlickers have got the perfect model for them , blink and its over , have another crack instantly somewhere else , blink and its over and so on and so on 

    Like i say from a gambling aspect they have got the closest model to Poker Machines , yet in a big state like Vic they lost 22 mill , i think the Dishlickers are history , Mike Baird Premier of NSW gave them the aarse for a while ( for a different reason ) . The logistic advantages they have got , over both horse codes , re transportation , no jockey.driver needed etc , yet their loss is as big as the Trots 

    To me they are gonzo , the Dogs , and ps i must  declare my conflict of interest , when i was a  young kid , the guy next door had this double garage , brick , so there was about a metre to the fence by the length of the back of the garage , and he trained his Greyhound from their , thats where he housed,fed it , and the stink of it , it stunk the joint out , so ive got no fondness of greyhounds 
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,004 posts
    On the first of July Victorian Point of consumption tax increased from 10% to 15%.

    What happens when you make something more expensive? People can afford to buy less of it.

    It is just a given with all the various rises in taxes that turnover is down, people are losing their dollar quicker.

    Couple that with the tax revenue thst is being generated isn't all returned to racing then things will continue to get tighter and tighter.
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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    568 posts
    Harness Racing reminds me of a punctured tyre we keep putting a patch on it, the problem is we have no more room for patches it's time to get a new tyre, unfortunately RWWA doesn't have the capability to manage change.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,215 posts
    Smokers on the punt in early eighties have ten dollars on 10/1 winner, could buy with winnings 100pks Cigarettes.
    Today even money 50 bet not enough for one pkt smokes------. See some brands 80 bucks a pkt.

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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    Markovina"s description of the Greyhounds takes me back to 1976 when I obtained a bookmakers licence to field at Cannington. At the time it was almost impossible to get a licence at the Races or Trots and the Greyhounds had gone over 12 months without bookies and decided they needed them to compete with the equine codes. From memory they started with 16 win and each way and 4 concession bookies. The bookies were a mixture of first time bookies and unsuccessful race and trot bookies.

    My knowledge of Greyhound racing was next to nil and I can remember Alan Watters who produced the Greyhound Gold Guide and was the biggest punter at that time came running down the hill from the track to the bookies ring and proceeded to place as many bets as he could on dog No 6. Apparently he had observed dog No 5 turn in the boxes after it was boxed which meant that Dog No 6 would have a clear run to the first turn. It duly saluted and Alan had a nice collect.

    I only stayed at the Greyhounds for about four months before transitioning to the trots where I fielded for another 24 years.
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  • FrogFrog    169 posts
    Only 3 swabs taken at Pinjarra Monday ?
    Mistake or cost cutting. No pre race swabs.
    Still waiting for GP Tuesday stewards report.
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  • JasperJasper    59 posts
    Interesting Stewards inquiry going on in NSW. Looks like the urine samples of two drivers were supplied by the same third party, according to dna analysis. I’ve heard a lot of stupid things over the years but this is right up there.
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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    568 posts
    Interesting comment Jasper it's happened in WA.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Both the lads drove winners that night at Goulburn.....both have/had very very promising driving careers in front of them as 20/22 year olds. May prove to be a very expensive folly if they can't beat the 180 million to one chances of the DNA testing being correct.

    I wonder how often they proceed to DNA testing on urine samples from drivers.
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