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freodockers · April 2023

Muldoon said:

Markovina said:

Muldoon said:

JayJay said:
February 18, 1967 Phil Coulson won the Inters with Binshaw at GP, a $30,000 race with $21,000 for the winner.
April 1st 1967, Coulson won a double at Trayning with Legal Chief, 2.28 and better, a $200 race with $140 for the winner in each race. Also took Alva's Son up there for the Cup in which he ran 3rd. Legal Chief beat good mare Corio Queen (Laurie Robinson who also drove in that Inters Final) who was owned locally by Bob Clausen in one race and Gold Jay (Ron Percy) in another. Harry Ware also had a double on the day. If it was good enough for Harry to trek over to Trayning from Kellerberrin, it was also good enough for the leading trainer and driver to travel up from Herdsman Parade on what was a single lane goat track.

Midweeks at GP were unheard of, the country clubs and the regional breeding industry were thriving. The road to Trayning was no super highway like the apparently continuously up hill road to Narrogin (seriously?), with the added distraction of a Shire Traffic Inspector hiding behind the wheat bin at Yelbini.

Probably around this time that some moron came up with the "let's rationalise the Industry" theory and shut down low turnover non TAB tracks. Genius move, it rooted the Industry in one foul swoop.....and now, we hear there are further plans to close more tracks and transfer more dates, destroying viable community based clubs along the way, we cant have clubs like Wagin and Keller with full fields whist you have 4 or 5 pay 1,2 races at GP each Friday.
The programming continues to be an anchor around the Industry's neck, an $8k cup race for scrubbers at Keller on Sunday is fully subscribed, a stand handicap, whilst Free For Allers battle Magnificent Storm at Narrogin, presumably racing for 2nd in a $35k Cup. And whilst it is a good thing for the locals to get the chance to see top horses, realistically, there should only really be 2 FFA country cups each year, Pinjarra and Bunbury, worth $50k each.
In my short stint working in a stable when I moved to the City, Tuesday night was trall night at GP, usually about 20 trials on the card.

The week kind of went Tue Trials GP, Wed Country Trots, Friday GP or RR, Saturday Country Trots & a Non Tab thrown in here & there.
Re the GP Trials - way way back late 70s early 80s - i thought the GP trials were on a Monday - because i went to a few of them

Plus GP have had mid week meetings for about 40 years at least - so i dont think you can say its just recent that they have pinched country meetings

One of my favourite meetings to attend again same era when on the Pro- Punt -was Richmond Raceway twilight meetings on a Monday in the warmer months - they were on every Monday - theyd start at about 3.45pm on a Monday afternoon- and a reasonable crowd attended
As you said longtime ago, could have been Monday, I was not great at paying attention back in those days, Drink, punt & party. One thing I do remember Pinjarra, always raced the Monday Melbourne Cup eve back then.

Trials were Tuesday nights correct.
20 trials yep back in the late 80s early 90s.
8-10 horses a trial.
It was full on, punters like GTC standing on the hill taking notes.

Muldoon · April 2023

Race 1 tonight, can someone provide me with some clarity. Richard Bell

tips on Tabtouch, did not have $1,80 favourite in his first four selections. From gate 3 was never going to miss the first 4, surely

#-o

freodockers · April 2023

Read Gilgas forecast for the race. If 4 crossed 3 was going to struggle.
#1 running into the gate and galloping certainly helped the winner.

getthechange · April 2023

freodockers said:

Muldoon said:

Markovina said:

Muldoon said:

JayJay said:
February 18, 1967 Phil Coulson won the Inters with Binshaw at GP, a $30,000 race with $21,000 for the winner.
April 1st 1967, Coulson won a double at Trayning with Legal Chief, 2.28 and better, a $200 race with $140 for the winner in each race. Also took Alva's Son up there for the Cup in which he ran 3rd. Legal Chief beat good mare Corio Queen (Laurie Robinson who also drove in that Inters Final) who was owned locally by Bob Clausen in one race and Gold Jay (Ron Percy) in another. Harry Ware also had a double on the day. If it was good enough for Harry to trek over to Trayning from Kellerberrin, it was also good enough for the leading trainer and driver to travel up from Herdsman Parade on what was a single lane goat track.

Midweeks at GP were unheard of, the country clubs and the regional breeding industry were thriving. The road to Trayning was no super highway like the apparently continuously up hill road to Narrogin (seriously?), with the added distraction of a Shire Traffic Inspector hiding behind the wheat bin at Yelbini.

Probably around this time that some moron came up with the "let's rationalise the Industry" theory and shut down low turnover non TAB tracks. Genius move, it rooted the Industry in one foul swoop.....and now, we hear there are further plans to close more tracks and transfer more dates, destroying viable community based clubs along the way, we cant have clubs like Wagin and Keller with full fields whist you have 4 or 5 pay 1,2 races at GP each Friday.
The programming continues to be an anchor around the Industry's neck, an $8k cup race for scrubbers at Keller on Sunday is fully subscribed, a stand handicap, whilst Free For Allers battle Magnificent Storm at Narrogin, presumably racing for 2nd in a $35k Cup. And whilst it is a good thing for the locals to get the chance to see top horses, realistically, there should only really be 2 FFA country cups each year, Pinjarra and Bunbury, worth $50k each.
In my short stint working in a stable when I moved to the City, Tuesday night was trall night at GP, usually about 20 trials on the card.

The week kind of went Tue Trials GP, Wed Country Trots, Friday GP or RR, Saturday Country Trots & a Non Tab thrown in here & there.
Re the GP Trials - way way back late 70s early 80s - i thought the GP trials were on a Monday - because i went to a few of them

Plus GP have had mid week meetings for about 40 years at least - so i dont think you can say its just recent that they have pinched country meetings

One of my favourite meetings to attend again same era when on the Pro- Punt -was Richmond Raceway twilight meetings on a Monday in the warmer months - they were on every Monday - theyd start at about 3.45pm on a Monday afternoon- and a reasonable crowd attended
As you said longtime ago, could have been Monday, I was not great at paying attention back in those days, Drink, punt & party. One thing I do remember Pinjarra, always raced the Monday Melbourne Cup eve back then.
Trials were Tuesday nights correct.
20 trials yep back in the late 80s early 90s.
8-10 horses a trial.
It was full on, punters like GTC standing on the hill taking notes.

there was a 20 cent charge to get in or get a trial sheet at one stage -OH&S would have had a field day with horses tied to the rails in the stable area when I was a kid some years before Chariots and myself along with other bookies and punters were in the grandstand taking notes

estimated crowd of 1000 in the attachment from back in the mid 60s

JayJay · April 2023

Yes, you had to get there early to get a stall some nights, early knock off from work, wait for someone to go home before you grabbed there bay.

Not much attention paid to correct colours, or, I believe, on occasions, maybe a mix up or two as to which horse actually went around??? The Reinsman School trials were the first two, always a good place to "hide" one.. As one lot came off the track, it was straight out for the next heat, I had to sometimes take a horse up the race onto the track, do the handover and bring the one that had just trialled back. It was mayhem some nights....but good mayhem, everyone giving a hand. Colin is right, two bob for the sheet from the office to find out which heat you were in. Then it was back home to the stables, ours didn't have power, so you pulled up and shone the headlights down the middle. The resident stable dog loved it...rat catching time!!!

They say 5000 turned up to watch Mount Eden. I was there that night and it wasn't 5000 but it was easily 2 or 3 thousand. Astounding days.They ran out of trial sheets that night.

freodockers · April 2023

getthechange said:

freodockers said:

Muldoon said:

Markovina said:

Muldoon said:

JayJay said:
February 18, 1967 Phil Coulson won the Inters with Binshaw at GP, a $30,000 race with $21,000 for the winner.
April 1st 1967, Coulson won a double at Trayning with Legal Chief, 2.28 and better, a $200 race with $140 for the winner in each race. Also took Alva's Son up there for the Cup in which he ran 3rd. Legal Chief beat good mare Corio Queen (Laurie Robinson who also drove in that Inters Final) who was owned locally by Bob Clausen in one race and Gold Jay (Ron Percy) in another. Harry Ware also had a double on the day. If it was good enough for Harry to trek over to Trayning from Kellerberrin, it was also good enough for the leading trainer and driver to travel up from Herdsman Parade on what was a single lane goat track.

Midweeks at GP were unheard of, the country clubs and the regional breeding industry were thriving. The road to Trayning was no super highway like the apparently continuously up hill road to Narrogin (seriously?), with the added distraction of a Shire Traffic Inspector hiding behind the wheat bin at Yelbini.

Probably around this time that some moron came up with the "let's rationalise the Industry" theory and shut down low turnover non TAB tracks. Genius move, it rooted the Industry in one foul swoop.....and now, we hear there are further plans to close more tracks and transfer more dates, destroying viable community based clubs along the way, we cant have clubs like Wagin and Keller with full fields whist you have 4 or 5 pay 1,2 races at GP each Friday.
The programming continues to be an anchor around the Industry's neck, an $8k cup race for scrubbers at Keller on Sunday is fully subscribed, a stand handicap, whilst Free For Allers battle Magnificent Storm at Narrogin, presumably racing for 2nd in a $35k Cup. And whilst it is a good thing for the locals to get the chance to see top horses, realistically, there should only really be 2 FFA country cups each year, Pinjarra and Bunbury, worth $50k each.
In my short stint working in a stable when I moved to the City, Tuesday night was trall night at GP, usually about 20 trials on the card.

The week kind of went Tue Trials GP, Wed Country Trots, Friday GP or RR, Saturday Country Trots & a Non Tab thrown in here & there.
Re the GP Trials - way way back late 70s early 80s - i thought the GP trials were on a Monday - because i went to a few of them

Plus GP have had mid week meetings for about 40 years at least - so i dont think you can say its just recent that they have pinched country meetings

One of my favourite meetings to attend again same era when on the Pro- Punt -was Richmond Raceway twilight meetings on a Monday in the warmer months - they were on every Monday - theyd start at about 3.45pm on a Monday afternoon- and a reasonable crowd attended
As you said longtime ago, could have been Monday, I was not great at paying attention back in those days, Drink, punt & party. One thing I do remember Pinjarra, always raced the Monday Melbourne Cup eve back then.
Trials were Tuesday nights correct.
20 trials yep back in the late 80s early 90s.
8-10 horses a trial.
It was full on, punters like GTC standing on the hill taking notes.
there was a 20 cent charge to get in or get a trial sheet at one stage -OH&S would have had a field day with horses tied to the rails in the stable area when I was a kid some years before Chariots and myself along with other bookies and punters were in the grandstand taking notes
estimated crowd of 1000 in the attachment from back in the mid 60s

Good old Arthur Thornton what a great bloke he was.

Chariotsonfire · April 2023

When I was a kid going to the trials with my Father John Dorrington started his bookmaking career taking two bob bets on the trials (illegal of course) before he moved to Victoria to become a leading Bookmaker.

sonny · April 2023

Gymkhanas were huge in Sydney back when I was involved in the 70s. Betting and drinking were the go and crowds were huge..You drove in them to obtain your drivers license.. as in trials..

Muldoon · April 2023

Muldoon said:
Race 1 tonight, can someone provide me with some clarity. Richard Bell
tips on Tabtouch, did not have $1,80 favourite in his first four selections. From gate 3 was never going to miss the first 4, surely
#-o

Thanks for the insight, but punters are not going to back it into $1.80, thinking if something crossed it, then it was no hope. Was unaware the 1 broke, only joined in viewing after a lap.

Markovina · April 2023

Muldoon said:

Markovina said:

Muldoon said:

JayJay said:
February 18, 1967 Phil Coulson won the Inters with Binshaw at GP, a $30,000 race with $21,000 for the winner.
April 1st 1967, Coulson won a double at Trayning with Legal Chief, 2.28 and better, a $200 race with $140 for the winner in each race. Also took Alva's Son up there for the Cup in which he ran 3rd. Legal Chief beat good mare Corio Queen (Laurie Robinson who also drove in that Inters Final) who was owned locally by Bob Clausen in one race and Gold Jay (Ron Percy) in another. Harry Ware also had a double on the day. If it was good enough for Harry to trek over to Trayning from Kellerberrin, it was also good enough for the leading trainer and driver to travel up from Herdsman Parade on what was a single lane goat track.

Midweeks at GP were unheard of, the country clubs and the regional breeding industry were thriving. The road to Trayning was no super highway like the apparently continuously up hill road to Narrogin (seriously?), with the added distraction of a Shire Traffic Inspector hiding behind the wheat bin at Yelbini.

Probably around this time that some moron came up with the "let's rationalise the Industry" theory and shut down low turnover non TAB tracks. Genius move, it rooted the Industry in one foul swoop.....and now, we hear there are further plans to close more tracks and transfer more dates, destroying viable community based clubs along the way, we cant have clubs like Wagin and Keller with full fields whist you have 4 or 5 pay 1,2 races at GP each Friday.
The programming continues to be an anchor around the Industry's neck, an $8k cup race for scrubbers at Keller on Sunday is fully subscribed, a stand handicap, whilst Free For Allers battle Magnificent Storm at Narrogin, presumably racing for 2nd in a $35k Cup. And whilst it is a good thing for the locals to get the chance to see top horses, realistically, there should only really be 2 FFA country cups each year, Pinjarra and Bunbury, worth $50k each.
In my short stint working in a stable when I moved to the City, Tuesday night was trall night at GP, usually about 20 trials on the card.

The week kind of went Tue Trials GP, Wed Country Trots, Friday GP or RR, Saturday Country Trots & a Non Tab thrown in here & there.
Re the GP Trials - way way back late 70s early 80s - i thought the GP trials were on a Monday - because i went to a few of them

Plus GP have had mid week meetings for about 40 years at least - so i dont think you can say its just recent that they have pinched country meetings

One of my favourite meetings to attend again same era when on the Pro- Punt -was Richmond Raceway twilight meetings on a Monday in the warmer months - they were on every Monday - theyd start at about 3.45pm on a Monday afternoon- and a reasonable crowd attended
As you said longtime ago, could have been Monday, I was not great at paying attention back in those days, Drink, punt & party. One thing I do remember Pinjarra, always raced the Monday Melbourne Cup eve back then.

Your spot on about about that Pinjarra night meeting which was on Melb Cup eve - which i attended a few times

And one of the joys of that - was in the car going their you could listen on the radio to a sensational Melb Cup preview - horse by horse with blokes like Des Spain and Ron Taylor

Des Spain was a clocker at Flemington - and when on the Pro Punt - i used to buy that midweek Melb Sporting Globe - and they had 4 clockers with their columns next to each other - you had Spain at Flemington - Skipton at Caulfield - Les Obriem at either Morningto or Epsom and ive forgotten the other blokes name

But they would have their highlighted track work report -listing say 10-12 horses every week

And they would have stuff like - looked bright in colour - dashed over 400- last furlong in evens - i use to read that stuff week to week like a text book - and it could influence my betting

savethegame · April 2023

Marko very Little information available to the punters back then the sporting Globe and Sportsman were a must with position in the run photo's the trackman at Cranbourne was the legendary Deane Lester.Did get a100/1 winner what was down as ???? trackworker Jacuzzi from the sportsman
Think Philock provided the W.A. column . Maynard had three down as galloping together Moss Kingdom Spina Dollar can't think of the other horse Mentioned to owner of Moss Kingdom that his horse was a Star trackworker for the week. Not him he said his in the Paddock spelling.

Gilgamesh · April 2023

R6 today, big class rise for her but there's worse 125/1 pops than Jade's Fortune.

I liked her last run, possi ly she can possi up close enough to give a sight.

freodockers · April 2023

I’d be happy with the place odds

Gilgamesh · April 2023

Gilgamesh said:
R6 today, big class rise for her but there's worse 125/1 pops than Jade's Fortune.

I liked her last run, possi ly she can possi up close enough to give a sight.

It's nearly finished. Might need to install lights for the last few 100m

freodockers · April 2023

Gilgamesh said:
R6 today, big class rise for her but there's worse 125/1 pops than Jade's Fortune.

I liked her last run, possi ly she can possi up close enough to give a sight.

I’ve backed it a few times, every now and then puts in a nice run and you think next time.
Only problem is next time it doesn’t produce.

capgun · April 2023

The stable has been stood down to trials more than it’s placed in the last couple of weeks.

Gilgamesh · April 2023

Couple of bets for tonight.

R3 Bealawyer ran a nice race last start, behind leader should suck along for a place around $2.90 available.

R4 No8 Dardy Boy could probably zap them at the start but doesn't have to do that, hopefully get out a little.

R5 No1 Hot Foot IT. Really keen on a 3w 1plc type basis, horse has turned the corner, has options at the start depending how it plays out, should be closing off hard.

freodockers · April 2023

capgun said:
The stable has been stood down to trials more than it’s placed in the last couple of weeks.

Knock the stable if you like but without the Reeves colours supporting country trots most meetings would not go ahead.
As someone who likes punting on the country trots I’m glad there around.

Markovina · April 2023

I agree - FD - bit of a cheap shot - and i hadnt looked looked up what stable they were referring to

Only last week - they got a double with El Jessie fast class race at Wagin - and Tubbs Farquar

And Tubbs Farquar - when they got it - to train - and they own it as well i think - that horse was totally utterly fuecked - competitive wise - it wouldnt have won a beginners race at King Island in Tassie

People with their flash ready made imports - can laugh and smirk - but the Reeves camp have done an outstabding job with old Tubbs - because when they got it - it was on its knees so to speak

freodockers · April 2023

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freodockers · April 2023

R3 Bealawyer ran a nice race last start, behind leader should suck along for a place around $2.90 available.

R4 No8 Dardy Boy could probably zap them at the start but doesn't have to do that, hopefully get out a little.

R5 No1 Hot Foot IT. Really keen on a 3w 1plc type basis, horse has turned the corner, has options at the start depending how it plays out, should be closing off hard.

Priddah last crack at them.
Seekandyoufind going great guns just needs the right run at the right time. Backed it last few can’t get off now at 30s.

Blue Blazer could work its way off fence at start.

freodockers · April 2023

Oops sorry Gilga stole ya comments

Gilgamesh · April 2023

freodockers said:
Oops sorry Gilga stole ya comments

You've just doubled down haha

Gilgamesh · April 2023

I need to lift

Chariotsonfire · April 2023

Not withstanding the handicapping issues in WA I have updated my stake money comparisons of the four major Harness Racing States.

Population Base Metro Stake Base Country Stake

NSW 8.193m $20,400 $9,792

VIC 6.656m $20,000 $10,000

QLD 5.355m $14,500 $6,260

WA 2.805m $20,250 $8,000

WA is punching well above its weight particularly in relation to metro stakes although there has been virtually no increases in the past two years.

If I find the time and the inclination I will compare the base harness racing stakes in each state against the thoroughbred equivalents where I think WA Harness will have a much greater percentage than the other three states.

freodockers · April 2023

NSW 10/11 meetings a week
VIC 9/10 meetings a week
WA 4 meetings a week.
So a formula to compare WA with NSW country would be something like 8000/10x3 = 3200.00 ave.
Would this not be rough comparison based on total stakes distributed?

Chariotsonfire · April 2023

Very valid point regarding country racing but given our field sizes in recent years there is no shortage of opportunity to race for our horse population.

Comparing Metro meetings is apples for apples with the number of meetings being virtually equivalent.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · April 2023

Where's Woodley?

Gilgamesh · April 2023

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:
Where's Woodley?

Installing flooring I believe.

sonny · May 2023

Well done to Matt ...Picked both Quads in his top 2 selections and a 25/1 winner...

G'day Punter!

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