GP- The Nullarbor & The Eucla (Nullarbor Consolation)

VillageKid · April 2023

GP

Race 1- Faster Than Dad, Infinite Sign, Alcopony, Hillview Bondi

Race 2- Dominus Factum, Cheer The Major, Naval Aviator, Regal Cheval

Race 3- The Mustang, Eldaytona, Roll Up, Kimble

Race 4- Goodfellaz, Jett Star, Mea Culpa, Alta Rhett

Race 5- El Chema, Whatabro, Valentines Brook, Hampton Banner

Race 6- Machs Legacy, Taking The Miki, Let it Linga, Im Themightylucy

Race 7- Posseidon, Line The Starzzz, Chumani, Beefour Bacardi

Race 8- Tricky Miki, Street Hawk, Talks Up A Storm, The Code Breaker

Race 9- Lavra Joe, Magnificent Storm, Betterzippit, Diego

Race 10- Run For Mercy, Blue Blazer, Baltic Ace, Icanbolt

Wagin

R1- Lord Bhutan

R2- Tommy Carta

R3- Lets Roll The Dice

R4- Follow The Music

R5- Alta Hurrah

R6- Gold Horseshoe

R7- Ta In Advance

R8- Radar Reef

Gilgamesh · April 2023

Star Armbro to kick off the night for me at the big price.

Gilgamesh · April 2023

Naval Aviator my next charitable donation.

Markovina · April 2023

To Freo Dockers - your footy team has had a great come from behind win

That should put a spring in your step - and give you plenty of confidence backing winners at GP tonight

So hopefully you come home with wads of cash mate

Markovina · April 2023

On Tab.Com -they have 1 minute audios previews of every race at each metro Trots meeting - and GP is on the circuit tonight - and Brittany Graham is doing the previews

And i just clicked on her preview for the million dollar race

And she gave an interesting stat Magnificent Storm at GP when it leads is 13 Wins from 13 starts

Gilgamesh · April 2023

Too smart these sydneysiders.

psycho · April 2023

Sitting 1 x 1 and you don't take of with a lap to go on an 800m track ? Am I missing something ? Absolute bloody shocker Aldo, the drive of a 4kg apprentice

Gilgamesh · April 2023

psycho said:
Sitting 1 x 1 and you don't take of with a lap to go on an 800m track ? Am I missing something ? Absolute bloody shocker Aldo, the drive of a 4kg apprentice

Didn't want to be rude to the bloke and hope he can crack a good one but that is why you could never have that combo odds on in a million dollar race.

sonny · April 2023

Surely questions should be asked...As solid as Ray is .. Think there will be a new driver..

Markovina · April 2023

My summary of that race - and it is alot easier in the grandstand - but Spirit of St Louis its form was very patchy this time in - it had led and been found wanting

Jack Callaghan on St Louis - it wanted a sit - he was begging fora sit - even Maddison Brown was it on Diego in the breeze - the lead was their for the taking

I have made consistent post after post - and of course i get heavily criticised - that Eastern drivers are prepared to make midrace moves and have a crack for the lead - where as WA Drivers will not - they just sit and do nothing

Anyone sharp on the form in that race - the lead was their on a platter - he wanted to hand up - the horses form was iffy - but no WA driver could wise up to that - Cortapassi the lead was their mate - he wanted to hand up

Of course it took a top young NSW driver in Cameron Hart - he had no hesitation in making that midrace move - gifted the lead and it won him the race- in a million dollar race

freodockers · April 2023

Markovina said:
My summary of that race - and it is alot easier in the grandstand - but Spirit of St Louis its form was very patchy this time in - it had led and been found wanting

Jack Callaghan on St Louis - it wanted a sit - he was begging fora sit - even Maddison Brown was it on Diego in the breeze - the lead was their for the taking

I have made consistent post after post - and of course i get heavily criticised - that Eastern drivers are prepared to make midrace moves and have a crack for the lead - where as WA Drivers will not - they just sit and do nothing

Anyone sharp on the form in that race - the lead was their on a platter - he wanted to hand up - the horses form was iffy - but no WA driver could wise up to that - Cortapassi the lead was their mate - he wanted to hand up

Of course it took a top young NSW driver in Cameron Hart - he had no hesitation in making that midrace move - gifted the lead and it won him the race- in a million dollar race

Just my impression Marko but he had no intention of handing up to a WA horse.

Gilgamesh · April 2023

The notion that WA as the most competitive driving is a thing of the past-this is a flow on from the lack of handicapping leading to the scenario of the best horses in the race find themselves at the front very quickly, if you are on an inferior animal you know they aren't going to hand up to you and even if they do you will be a sitting duck.

In terms of this race though bit of a defence. Aldo was probably the only one on the right horse to make the move but he was happy sitting 1,1. Lewis was probably rightly happy sitting on his back thinking he'd have the last crack at the fave and jnrs drive has to be driven ice cold a d the stable ad been very clear on this-plus it's form.has shown it.

So that only.left the visitor to make the move AND he had nothing to lose, was never going to win the race sitting back there so why not have a crack.

As I said if it was a 20K FFA it would have been completely different but with the prize money on offer and some fresh blood we actually got to see people out there to win rather than waiting till it's their turn

JayJay · April 2023

Nailed it Gil, when you have this hopeless and destructive non handicapping system absolutely poisoning the competition with all of its toxic clauses and compromises, why do anything when the $1.08 favourite just circulates knowing it cant be beaten.

NSW boys showed the way but if they sit back, they just hand it to Storm. Good race as it turned out, expensive, yes, and was it worth it? Jury out. Back to sleepy hollow and 8 GSL 1 races at odds on next week.

freodockers · April 2023

First of all if you don’t cross from barrier 2 it might as well be barrier 6. Once you don’t cross you either go early or take a risk and stay in just like last night.
Lavra Joe who is going as good as Mag Storm went early and took Mag Storms position 3 wide and ran last. So I find it hard to understand how people expect Mag Storm to finish any better had he gone at the 900.
Re drive from Cameron Hart I see he commented last night he was actually looking for the breeze and ended up in front. From where I stood he drove in a manner that suggested he was never going to get stuck in the breeze.
As far as non competitive drivers stewards need to crack down on drivers leading handing up particularly at GP.
That will stop a lot of this rubbish racing.

freodockers · April 2023

Markovina said:
To Freo Dockers - your footy team has had a great come from behind win

That should put a spring in your step - and give you plenty of confidence backing winners at GP tonight

So hopefully you come home with wads of cash mate

For once the punting went worse than the football.
Lately that’s been pretty hard to do.
Cheers Marko

PictureSon1973 · April 2023

On seeing the race live it did look like Aldo was napping !
But upon reflection and
Not talking through my wallet but if Aldo got stuck in the breeze he’s a mug as M.S
in FFA Class I don’t believe has gone well breezing often disappointing I think.
As Aldo stayed 1x1 not able to lead not a bad position if he took of at 900 m
would he win probably not Aldo’s still looks like a mug.!
Aldo goes for broke at start & leads ( most people would say I could win that race !)
Aldo does mid race move like winner oh Aldo’s a genius,
Aldo does mid race move can’t get lead and finish’s
mid race he’s a Mug !
Aldo’s not the highest profile driver out there thus criticism for him is always
more pointed .
Is Aldo’s mindset merely a reflection of Driving tactics being instilled subconsciously
from week in week out racing like the good old days of M.V and early days of Melton
Lead & Sprint up last 600 - 400 metres .
That race highlighted the numbness everyone in the industry is feeling unfortunately
due to lack of non competitive racing .
LBH takes on leader in the breeze he’s crucified but all god let the $1.10 pops win
uncontested that’s what the racing modus of operandi believe is the best result in
growing the Industry god help us !

PictureSon1973 · April 2023

Apologies,
Due to lack of competitive racing!

psycho · April 2023

sonny said:
Surely questions should be asked...As solid as Ray is .. Think there will be a new driver..

I was told yesterday that Aldo will NEVER sit behind Magnificent Storm again ?

freodockers · April 2023

psycho said:

sonny said:
Surely questions should be asked...As solid as Ray is .. Think there will be a new driver..

I was told yesterday that Aldo will NEVER sit behind Magnificent Storm again ?

That may be the case and I feel for him but he’s been around long enough to cop it on the chin.
Good luck to whoever takes over, the horse is a sit and sprinter and that’s why he struggles in the big ones.
He couldn’t have done anything different on Friday night.

lick · April 2023

Led 16 times for 16 wins.

JayJay · April 2023

Nominated for Narrogin Cup Saturday Night with A.DeCampo listed to drive.

freodockers · April 2023

lick said:
Led 16 times for 16 wins.

He got crossed by the 8 horse which quite often happens over 2500.
It is not the drivers fault if his horse does not have enough speed out of the gate.
If you really want to nit pick ask the driver of the 1 horse what he was doing, why didn’t he take a sit behind Mag Storm at the start. Cost himself a place.

Chariotsonfire · April 2023

Magnificent Storm nominated for Narrogin Cup with Aiden DeCampo to drive.

Gilgamesh · April 2023

To me it had never been a flier from the arm so no surprise he got crossed.

The disappointing aspect was he needed to be aware when the move was coming and go first, your on the odds on pop go test the leader.

99 times out of 100 you sit where he did doing nothing you aren't going g to get a run.

It's simple to say but what would jnr do in that situation?? You have to think on your feet.

Markovina · April 2023

Like others have said - Aldo will cop it on the chin

But any real educated Harness/Trotting people know - that he made the absolute correct decision staying in at the bell - because he wanted to win the race

Brian Hancock - Brian Gath - Geoff Webster - champion drivers - all sit sprint type drivers - they would have all stayed in at the bell - because they want to win the race - 56.1 - 3 wide without cover - the death horse sticks on well so your 3 wide - the best MS would have run is 4th - Halls horse was the run of the race - and again would have got 3rd - ones of him critical not coming out at the bell - well i will be nice this time - i wont call them mugs

Where that race was lost was at the start - and in my opinion - Aldo Brown and Lewis get equal criticism - i would love to know how many videos/replays those 3 watched of those 2 Sydney horses - and did they contact any Eastern State form analysts - re those 2 Syd horses and their drivers - because Callaghan loves to sit sprint them - he is not an angry little ant like Hall jnr and Alford who will basically boot up on anything to keep the lead

Just my opinion - but if i owned MS - Diego or L/Joe - the one id be most dissappointed in is Diego

Re Diego - youd go into that race thinking - its got 2 chances of winning - Buckleys and none - then suddenly after 400 metres you have got the death seat on your ear - and you should be telling yourself - the wrong horse is in front - the wrong horse is in front - and again my opinion - which im entitled to - right at the point in the race - if Diego had been driven by Trevor Warwick - Jim Schrader or Phil Coulson( admittedly all hall of famers ) - they would have all done the same thing - clicked up - gone to the lead - and won that $1 million race like a Byford trial

I can remember Warwick winning a heat of the WA Pacing Cup in exactly the same fashion on a horse called Keval at about 25-1 - Keval was a one paced sticker - game as they come - it fluked getting the breeze easy - and the wrong horse was leading - so Trevor just clicked up and took the lead - and that was the end of the penny section - and that is exactly what would have happened with Diego Friday night- in my opinion

Cant_Refuse · April 2023

Markovina said:
Like others have said - Aldo will cop it on the chin

But any real educated Harness/Trotting people know - that he made the absolute correct decision staying in at the bell - because he wanted to win the race

Brian Hancock - Brian Gath - Geoff Webster - champion drivers - all sit sprint type drivers - they would have all stayed in at the bell - because they want to win the race - 56.1 - 3 wide without cover - the death horse sticks on well so your 3 wide - the best MS would have run is 4th - Halls horse was the run of the race - and again would have got 3rd - ones of him critical not coming out at the bell - well i will be nice this time - i wont call them mugs

Where that race was lost was at the start - and in my opinion - Aldo Brown and Lewis get equal criticism - i would love to know how many videos/replays those 3 watched of those 2 Sydney horses - and did they contact any Eastern State form analysts - re those 2 Syd horses and their drivers - because Callaghan loves to sit sprint them - he is not an angry little ant like Hall jnr and Alford who will basically boot up on anything to keep the lead

Just my opinion - but if i owned MS - Diego or L/Joe - the one id be most dissappointed in is Diego

Re Diego - youd go into that race thinking - its got 2 chances of winning - Buckleys and none - then suddenly after 400 metres you have got the death seat on your ear - and you should be telling yourself - the wrong horse is in front - the wrong horse is in front - and again my opinion - which im entitled to - right at the point in the race - if Diego had been driven by Trevor Warwick - Jim Schrader or Phil Coulson( admittedly all hall of famers ) - they would have all done the same thing - clicked up - gone to the lead - and won that $1 million race like a Byford trial

I can remember Warwick winning a heat of the WA Pacing Cup in exactly the same fashion on a horse called Keval at about 25-1 - Keval was a one paced sticker - game as they come - it fluked getting the breeze easy - and the wrong horse was leading - so Trevor just clicked up and took the lead - and that was the end of the penny section - and that is exactly what would have happened with Diego Friday night- in my opinion

lol

Markovina · April 2023

Cant_Refuse said:

Markovina said:
Like others have said - Aldo will cop it on the chin

But any real educated Harness/Trotting people know - that he made the absolute correct decision staying in at the bell - because he wanted to win the race

Brian Hancock - Brian Gath - Geoff Webster - champion drivers - all sit sprint type drivers - they would have all stayed in at the bell - because they want to win the race - 56.1 - 3 wide without cover - the death horse sticks on well so your 3 wide - the best MS would have run is 4th - Halls horse was the run of the race - and again would have got 3rd - ones of him critical not coming out at the bell - well i will be nice this time - i wont call them mugs

Where that race was lost was at the start - and in my opinion - Aldo Brown and Lewis get equal criticism - i would love to know how many videos/replays those 3 watched of those 2 Sydney horses - and did they contact any Eastern State form analysts - re those 2 Syd horses and their drivers - because Callaghan loves to sit sprint them - he is not an angry little ant like Hall jnr and Alford who will basically boot up on anything to keep the lead

Just my opinion - but if i owned MS - Diego or L/Joe - the one id be most dissappointed in is Diego

Re Diego - youd go into that race thinking - its got 2 chances of winning - Buckleys and none - then suddenly after 400 metres you have got the death seat on your ear - and you should be telling yourself - the wrong horse is in front - the wrong horse is in front - and again my opinion - which im entitled to - right at the point in the race - if Diego had been driven by Trevor Warwick - Jim Schrader or Phil Coulson( admittedly all hall of famers ) - they would have all done the same thing - clicked up - gone to the lead - and won that $1 million race like a Byford trial

I can remember Warwick winning a heat of the WA Pacing Cup in exactly the same fashion on a horse called Keval at about 25-1 - Keval was a one paced sticker - game as they come - it fluked getting the breeze easy - and the wrong horse was leading - so Trevor just clicked up and took the lead - and that was the end of the penny section - and that is exactly what would have happened with Diego Friday night- in my opinion

lol

Youve tipped the forum members one monetary winner thats it

That was a GP place getter that paid $10 the place

The only problem was - you posted that tip 40 minutes after the Chief Steward waved the all clear

Youve got not credability whatsoever as a poster - 45 minutes after the race is run and won - you post a tip for that race - lol

freodockers · April 2023

Gilgamesh said:
To me it had never been a flier from the arm so no surprise he got crossed.

The disappointing aspect was he needed to be aware when the move was coming and go first, your on the odds on pop go test the leader.

99 times out of 100 you sit where he did doing nothing you aren't going g to get a run.

It's simple to say but what would jnr do in that situation?? You have to think on your feet.

So it’s fair to say he has average gate speed, so lead was out of question Once #1 held up.
IT’s also fair to say based on actual form since entering fast class if MS has to do any work over 2500 mtrs he gets beaten sometimes very badly.
There is absolutely no way he would have finished in first 5 if he went at the bell complete waste of time.
None of us are privy to pre or post race discussions.
I would be very surprised if it was trainers decision to part ways.
He was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

Cant_Refuse · April 2023

Markovina said:

Cant_Refuse said:

Markovina said:
Like others have said - Aldo will cop it on the chin

But any real educated Harness/Trotting people know - that he made the absolute correct decision staying in at the bell - because he wanted to win the race

Brian Hancock - Brian Gath - Geoff Webster - champion drivers - all sit sprint type drivers - they would have all stayed in at the bell - because they want to win the race - 56.1 - 3 wide without cover - the death horse sticks on well so your 3 wide - the best MS would have run is 4th - Halls horse was the run of the race - and again would have got 3rd - ones of him critical not coming out at the bell - well i will be nice this time - i wont call them mugs

Where that race was lost was at the start - and in my opinion - Aldo Brown and Lewis get equal criticism - i would love to know how many videos/replays those 3 watched of those 2 Sydney horses - and did they contact any Eastern State form analysts - re those 2 Syd horses and their drivers - because Callaghan loves to sit sprint them - he is not an angry little ant like Hall jnr and Alford who will basically boot up on anything to keep the lead

Just my opinion - but if i owned MS - Diego or L/Joe - the one id be most dissappointed in is Diego

Re Diego - youd go into that race thinking - its got 2 chances of winning - Buckleys and none - then suddenly after 400 metres you have got the death seat on your ear - and you should be telling yourself - the wrong horse is in front - the wrong horse is in front - and again my opinion - which im entitled to - right at the point in the race - if Diego had been driven by Trevor Warwick - Jim Schrader or Phil Coulson( admittedly all hall of famers ) - they would have all done the same thing - clicked up - gone to the lead - and won that $1 million race like a Byford trial

I can remember Warwick winning a heat of the WA Pacing Cup in exactly the same fashion on a horse called Keval at about 25-1 - Keval was a one paced sticker - game as they come - it fluked getting the breeze easy - and the wrong horse was leading - so Trevor just clicked up and took the lead - and that was the end of the penny section - and that is exactly what would have happened with Diego Friday night- in my opinion

lol
Youve tipped the forum members one monetary winner thats it

That was a GP place getter that paid $10 the place

The only problem was - you posted that tip 40 minutes after the Chief Steward waved the all clear

Youve got not credability whatsoever as a poster - 45 minutes after the race is run and won - you post a tip for that race - lol

lol

Markovina · April 2023

freodockers said:

Gilgamesh said:
To me it had never been a flier from the arm so no surprise he got crossed.

The disappointing aspect was he needed to be aware when the move was coming and go first, your on the odds on pop go test the leader.

99 times out of 100 you sit where he did doing nothing you aren't going g to get a run.

It's simple to say but what would jnr do in that situation?? You have to think on your feet.
So it’s fair to say he has average gate speed, so lead was out of question Once #1 held up.
IT’s also fair to say based on actual form since entering fast class if MS has to do any work over 2500 mtrs he gets beaten sometimes very badly.
There is absolutely no way he would have finished in first 5 if he went at the bell complete waste of time.
None of us are privy to pre or post race discussions.
I would be very surprised if it was trainers decision to part ways.
He was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.

I agree with you FD - there is no way MS wins that race if he goes at the bell

The only reinsman who could have won on MS Frid night - given the positions in the run was Brian Gath

Now Aldo in the last lap drove as per the rule book - where as Gathy was the absolute master- the absolute king of half carting from the bell onwards - a good example is Shakamaker at Moonee Valley

Now half carting - you normally just get a warning and a fine - not a suspension

Gath an ex jockey - natural lightweight - very nimble in the cart - he had a hell of a lot going for him - when ACL came out - Gath would half come out - had no intention of going 3 wide - then he would duck back in - that sttuffs Lewis for about 150 metres - at that point he does exactly the same thing - sttuffs Lewis - for another 100-150 metres - then at that point 450 metres from home he fully comits - now even if that had happened Frid night - given the closing sectionals if MS had won it would have been by about a neck tops

Everyone knows GP is a screaming leaders track - and in fast grade - the lead and the pegs is everything - and the running line is absolutely ratshiit - unless of course your Im The Mighty Quinn who if not the best ever - was in the best 2-3 ever - and of course there were no champion pacers engaged in that race Frid night

freodockers · April 2023

Last half over 2500 in 56.1 good luck sitting 3 wide with no cover.
In all honesty Aldo deserves a pat on the back for looking after a very good horse.
Let’s just wait and see how Lavra Joe goes next start, if he’s not in the paddock already.

G'day Punter!

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