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Winterbottom Stakes Information

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Daza58Daza58    12 posts
West Australian Racing
Hi, I'm chasing some information on the history of the Winterbottom Stakes for a Blog I have and would appreciate any help that could be offered.
The years in question are:
1958 Bebe Grande - Colours of the owner Mrs E Webb
1965 Watersan - Colours of the owners R W Saunders &
A J Wilson
1967 Railway Boy - Colours of the owners Mrs M Paterson
& W W Pope
1990 Century God - Owners name (online video shows his rider wearing the same colours as Lloyd Williams but find any info that Williams owned him.
I know the first three are going back a long way, but maybe someone has some old racebooks that might have the information I'm chasing.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Daza
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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    Daza58 said:

    Hi, I'm chasing some information on the history of the Winterbottom Stakes for a Blog I have and would appreciate any help that could be offered.

    The years in question are:
    1958 Bebe Grande - Colours of the owner Mrs E Webb
    1965 Watersan - Colours of the owners R W Saunders &
    A J Wilson
    1967 Railway Boy - Colours of the owners Mrs M Paterson
    & W W Pope
    1990 Century God - Owners name (online video shows his rider wearing the same colours as Lloyd Williams but find any info that Williams owned him.
    I know the first three are going back a long way, but maybe someone has some old racebooks that might have the information I'm chasing.
    Any help will be greatly appreciated.
    Cheers, Daza

    CENTURY GOD
    Century God is a thoroughbred horse born in Australia in 1984. Race horse Century God is by Century (AUS) out of Canima (AUS) , trained by G M Hanlon. Century God form is available here. Owned by Sellwood Syndicate (Mgr J G Fitzgerald).

    Pedigree
    Sire Century (AUS) 1969
    Dam Canima (AUS) 1977 [By Green God (GB) 1968]
    About the horse
    Description 38yo BR Horse
    Trainer G M Hanlon
    Owner Sellwood Syndicate (Mgr J G Fitzgerald)
    Total PM AUD $311,245
    Career 12 Wins (25%) - 20 Placings (67%) - 48 starts
    Wins 1000m (1), 1200m (6), 1400m (2), 1600m (1), 1800m (1), 2200m (1)
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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    Hi Loose_Goose, Those details are after his Winterbottom win when I think he changed ownership. He was trained by David Hayes not George Hanlon when he won the Winterbottom.The colours of the ownership (Sellwood Syndicate - red and gold diamonds, purple sleeves) don't match the colours on the video of the race, they are Lloyd Williams navy, white armbands & cap).
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    Thanks for your help.
    Cheers, Daza
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  • ManchildManchild    839 posts
    Buster trained him 
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  • meatpiemeatpie    595 posts
    Watersan was from Geraldton.

    Ron Saunders was from Geraldton, his colours were green, red and blue but trying to remember combination
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  • meatpiemeatpie    595 posts
    Manchild said:

    Buster trained him 

    yep they are Buster O'Malleys colours

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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    Manchild said:

    Buster trained him 

    Thanks for that Manchild. Just did a bit of Googling and you are correct. I'm thinking that the navy blue and white armbands might be Buster's stable colours as there's another online video showing an O'Malley trained horse named Original Sin winning with those colours on the same day as Century God.
    Cheers, Daza
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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    meatpie said:

    Watersan was from Geraldton.


    Ron Saunders was from Geraldton, his colours were green, red and blue but trying to remember combination
    Thanks meatpie, would be great if you can remember the combination.
    Cheers, Daza
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  • meatpiemeatpie    595 posts
    Daza58 said:

    meatpie said:

    Watersan was from Geraldton.


    Ron Saunders was from Geraldton, his colours were green, red and blue but trying to remember combination
    Thanks meatpie, would be great if you can remember the combination.
    Cheers, Daza
    found it

    Green, red sash and sleeves, dark blue cap
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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    meatpie said:

    Daza58 said:

    meatpie said:

    Watersan was from Geraldton.


    Ron Saunders was from Geraldton, his colours were green, red and blue but trying to remember combination
    Thanks meatpie, would be great if you can remember the combination.
    Cheers, Daza
    found it

    Green, red sash and sleeves, dark blue cap
    Thanks heaps meatpie that's fantastic. Your help is very much appreciated.

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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    Manchild said:

    Buster trained him 

    Beat Mr Till a nose

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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    Daza58 said:

    Hi, I'm chasing some information on the history of the Winterbottom Stakes for a Blog I have and would appreciate any help that could be offered.

    The years in question are:
    1958 Bebe Grande - Colours of the owner Mrs E Webb
    1965 Watersan - Colours of the owners R W Saunders &
    A J Wilson
    1967 Railway Boy - Colours of the owners Mrs M Paterson
    & W W Pope
    1990 Century God - Owners name (online video shows his rider wearing the same colours as Lloyd Williams but find any info that Williams owned him.
    I know the first three are going back a long way, but maybe someone has some old racebooks that might have the information I'm chasing.
    Any help will be greatly appreciated.
    Cheers, Daza
    Is the W.W Pope from the Brett Pope family, if so good chance it raced in the current Pope colours.

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Bill Pope.. Brett's dad. 
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  • meatpiemeatpie    595 posts
    probably wrong but i thought W.Pope's colours were yellow with brown armbands and cap
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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    loose_goose said:

    Daza58 said:

    Hi, I'm chasing some information on the history of the Winterbottom Stakes for a Blog I have and would appreciate any help that could be offered.

    The years in question are:
    1958 Bebe Grande - Colours of the owner Mrs E Webb
    1965 Watersan - Colours of the owners R W Saunders &
    A J Wilson
    1967 Railway Boy - Colours of the owners Mrs M Paterson
    & W W Pope
    1990 Century God - Owners name (online video shows his rider wearing the same colours as Lloyd Williams but find any info that Williams owned him.
    I know the first three are going back a long way, but maybe someone has some old racebooks that might have the information I'm chasing.
    Any help will be greatly appreciated.
    Cheers, Daza
    Is the W.W Pope from the Brett Pope family, if so good chance it raced in the current Pope colours.
    Yes it could be. The other part-owner, Mrs M Paterson might be the wife of A. R. Paterson who was heavily involved on the commitee of several race clubs in WA back in the 1940s early 50s. His colours were red, orange sleeves & cap. Perhaps she used the same colours.
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    meatpie said:

    probably wrong but i thought W.Pope's colours were yellow with brown armbands and cap

    Think Tommy Little wore these colors several times...cant quite remember the trainer though.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    what a great money rider Tommy was...in the days when you could really pull off a plunge with 30+ bookies on course.
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    Think it was Bill Rowe falc Tommy had a lot of success with. 
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    a bit off topic voodoo but there were aq few good money riders around that time, tom as we mentioned, jack ingram, bernie duggan, foxy moxham and a few more whos names escape me...peter o'loughlin was pretty good as was shelly geyer and old george woods when his money was on.
    bit of info..georges daughter is a magistrate, libby woods.
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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    thefalcon said:

    a bit off topic voodoo but there were aq few good money riders around that time, tom as we mentioned, jack ingram, bernie duggan, foxy moxham and a few more whos names escape me...peter o'loughlin was pretty good as was shelly geyer and old george woods when his money was on.

    bit of info..georges daughter is a magistrate, libby woods.
    Some of the hoops who have won the Winterbottom around that era are
    P Knuckey- McHarry
    F Treen Fairflow & Big Bob & Copper Son & Railway Boy
    K Moxham  - Bebe Grande
    J Wilson - Young Filipino
    J Miller - On Guard & La Trice
    D Gates - Coco
    F Moore - Nicopolis
    G Webster - Watersan
    K Mifflin Aquatania
    H Wulff - Acello
    P Loghlen - La Trice
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  • spinkingspinking    3,996 posts
    He was destined to be jockey .Tommy Little. Ok i will show myself out

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    gee daza they bring back some memories..the only ones i did not recognise are Mcharry and Acello.
    now to match the trainers..
    McHarry ?
    fairflow?
    big bob aub mitchell
    copper son ?
    railway boy w pope
    millers wins ? was la trice roy edwards..the white purple maltese cross colours
    coco abo jordan
    nicopolis harold campbell watersan ?
    aquatania reg treffone
    acello 
    la trice roy edwards

    betcha abo jordon would not have that nickname today, he'd be known as albert or alby.
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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    McHarry - F McAuliffe
    Fairflow - A H Jordan
    Big Bob - A E G Wagener
    Copper Son - N W Fawcett
    Railway Boy - W W Pope
    Watersan - E Treffone
    Nicopolis - H W Campbell
    Aquitania - R Treffone
    Coco - A H Jordan
    Acello - M J Sheehy
    La Trice - '70 J W Duffy & '71 B C Mueller

    Yes the politically- correct brigade wouldn't allow Abo, that's for sure.
    Good memory there Falcon, yes, La Trice was white, purple maltese cross & cap
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    Dennis Gates looking well at the Mingenew races last Saturday....never seems to age.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    daza, i'm sure (well, sort of) that roy edwards, the owner trained la trice. dad had horses with brian m. around that time and i can't remember la trice come into conversation.

    albert jordan got the nickname 'cos he sort of looked like one...
    :-\"

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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    Falcon, I got all the information from the West Australian newspaper race results, all on microfilm at the state library here in Queensland. Do you know of the two trainers Duffy & Mueller?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    never heard of duffy but brian m was quite successful. he returned home to sth aust. and had  great success..i think he may have won a leading trainer award.
    he lived to a ripe old age dying not so long ago.

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  • Daza58Daza58    12 posts
    Hi again,
    I'm now working on the Railway Stakes to include on my Blog and I'm needing some information on the 1974 winner, Cambana Lad. He was owned by Mrs C G Murphy and trained by Frank Dixey and I'm trying to find the owners colours.
    Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Cambana Lad Purple orange stripes

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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited April 2023
    McHarry - F McAuliffe
    Fairflow - A H Jordan Orange white hoops , black sleeves
    Big Bob - A E G Wagener Aub only stood Big bob as a stallion
    Copper Son - N W Fawcett
    Railway Boy - W W Pope
    Watersan - E Treffone
    Nicopolis - H W Campbell  Brown white sash
    Aquitania - R Treffone Purple Pink Diamond
    Coco - A H Jordan
    Acello - M J Sheehy Red Lilace spots lilac cap
    La Trice - '70 J W Duffy & '71 B C Mueller

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,413 posts
    H W Campbell  Brown white sash.... Fond memories I believe of Green Laddie
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