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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Well, I am not going to argue with you Marko, I've lost count of the number of times you have posted your version of history only for the facts to prove otherwise. I have no access to the videos of the two races you talk of. All I can do is provide with historical data and facts that I have access to or have painstakingly researched.
    In the other big race he won over here (WA Derby), it was Manifold Bay from Franco Heir, Boston Strangler, Knightwatchman, On Line Brut, Lombo Redback, The Dalmation, The Falcon Strike, Hy Commisioner, Lombo Matahorn, Dynamic Cam and Son Of Hilarion. There were no Sydney or Harold Park horses engaged, interstate rep was the brilliant Franco Heir trained by Jayne Davies. See below.

    I can't recall the two races you talk about, I do remember that Manifold Bay was a top horse who stripped his suspensory ligament and never raced again which was a shame. He did start from gate 12 in the Derby, so it is highly possible he stormed late to win. I am not disputing that. He started from gate 5 in the Nugget win. Again, he may have stormed late. All I was saying is that there was no Bruce Wood ? horse or any other horse from Sydney. None of the contestants in either the Derby or the Nugget were Sydney or HP horses. I have checked all of there racing records. Franco Heir was the only one to race at HP, starting their 10 times from its 83 career starts and it won the NSW Derby for Chris Alford/Jayne Davies. But regardless, I am sure you will carry on believing what you want to believe. Over and out.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Marko purely a guess but do remember a horse called Another Bart .that was E/states trained was driven by the trainer Gary Barton when he came to Perth he wasn't in the same postcode as the W.A. drivers.Gavin Lang was supposed to drive sure the headline was Lang first suspension in 1200 odd drives .and Barton just maybe was the one who made couple races very interesting?
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    edited January 2023
    Another Bart preceded Manifold bay by about 12 years.Ran 2nd to Sinbad Bay 1989 Golden Nugget. Bart came steaming home from last for 2nd. Hopefully this facebook link to WA Racing rewind works. Drive was indeed problematical.




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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,322 posts
    JayJay said:

    Well, I am not going to argue with you Marko, I've lost count of the number of times you have posted your version of history only for the facts to prove otherwise. I have no access to the videos of the two races you talk of. All I can do is provide with historical data and facts that I have access to or have painstakingly researched.
    In the other big race he won over here (WA Derby), it was Manifold Bay from Franco Heir, Boston Strangler, Knightwatchman, On Line Brut, Lombo Redback, The Dalmation, The Falcon Strike, Hy Commisioner, Lombo Matahorn, Dynamic Cam and Son Of Hilarion. There were no Sydney or Harold Park horses engaged, interstate rep was the brilliant Franco Heir trained by Jayne Davies. See below.

    I can't recall the two races you talk about, I do remember that Manifold Bay was a top horse who stripped his suspensory ligament and never raced again which was a shame. He did start from gate 12 in the Derby, so it is highly possible he stormed late to win. I am not disputing that. He started from gate 5 in the Nugget win. Again, he may have stormed late. All I was saying is that there was no Bruce Wood ? horse or any other horse from Sydney. None of the contestants in either the Derby or the Nugget were Sydney or HP horses. I have checked all of there racing records. Franco Heir was the only one to race at HP, starting their 10 times from its 83 career starts and it won the NSW Derby for Chris Alford/Jayne Davies. But regardless, I am sure you will carry on believing what you want to believe. Over and out.
    Its only a forum for discussion - not the end of the world stuff mate - and im only going on memory - not " what i want to believe " - and anyway id rather discuss MB - Nugget win - even if im wrong  rather than Frid nights Barry Crocker of a Pacing Cup 

    But i thought in MB Nugget win - somebody took on the leaders mid race - and i must say - it is a tradgedy no one involved with WA Harness racing kept those replays 
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Check 1990 when he came over then Another Bart three lasts 10th10th 9th driven by Barton was referring to then.Then had another three runs driven by FRK.knew he ran second previous year not sure who drove him in G.N. that could have been when Gavin Lang got suspended and maybe Barton drove him in G.N
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    edited January 2023
    GR (Gary) Barton drove him in the Nugget for trainer GT (Tom Barton)...stopped of in Adelaide and won a $25k Group 2 4 Year Old feature on the way home for same combo  Sadly, $25k would cover the entire stakes payout with plenty of change for a Monday Mid week at GD Park ($3,000 per race) and would go very close to covering a Saturday Night Metro meeting. I'm done with this Pacing Cup Topic which has run off its original Pacing Cup title.
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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Sharach Francis Taylor/Lou Austin niece of GT, sister of Jimmy, daughter of Mick and Lowis mentioned earlier on this thread.
    There’s one for JayJay.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Not quite sure what you are after here Freo. But Sharach had been around a lot of blocks before lobbing at Taylors. Bernie Cushing and Ben Geerson knocked up winning races with him long before he won the Pacing Cup.
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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    “Great Pacing Cup memories and stories”.
    Would have to be one of the best efforts.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Hmmm....not a stellar edition of the Cup I feel. Sharach beat Willadios and Neeron Boy, followed by Burrowsa, Skiptar, Garry John, Hands Turn, Society Guy, High Moore, Melton Neptune, Indian Chant and Prince Shannon. All really good horses, anyone would be happy to own but a shade off star status maybe? Sharach won a 2.17 front race from 10m a month before the Cup and he was a 9 year old, so plenty of merit there in his rejuvenation. He won another 2 FFA's after the Cup and a Consolation of Rhetts Laws Interdominion, so no shame.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Pacing Cup winner Vanlo Yorker still marvel at what he achieved.first win in W A. 2k.race at Albany last win 450k. Pacing Cup
    Passed through JTWarwick hands which I might add winning alot races then on the journey run of 30 outs Then 5-6 weeks prior to Pacing Cup wins a claimer
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,322 posts
    savethegame said:

    Pacing Cup winner Vanlo Yorker still marvel at what he achieved.first win in W A. 2k.race at Albany last win 450k. Pacing Cup
    Passed through JTWarwick hands which I might add winning alot races then on the journey run of 30 outs Then 5-6 weeks prior to Pacing Cup wins a claimer

    Re Justin Warwick - who Save The Game has just posted about 

    For  mine Justin was a champion trainer and a champion horseman 

    I did hear a radio interview with Jarrod Humphries on that 6PR nightly sports show - now for the benefit of  both Village Kid and Jay Jay - to the best of memory it was 6 to 8  years ago - unfortunately  i cant tell you where the big hand on the clock was  or where the little hand on the clock was  - or the precise day or the precise year - im trying mighty hard but that is the best i can come up with 

    Now going by the interview - Jarrod obviously must have worked for Justin - during some of the period  when Justin was dominating . Because Jarrod said - on a couple of occasions - more than once - the WA Trotting stewards 5am on a Saturday  morning - completely unannounced by surprise - would raid Justins Trotting Stable complex ( especially if he had a big Frid night - winning multiple races etc ) and they would go over his stable complex with a fine tooth comb - and they never found a single thing
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  • getthechangegetthechange    339 posts
    JayJay said:

    Not quite sure what you are after here Freo. But Sharach had been around a lot of blocks before lobbing at Taylors. Bernie Cushing and Ben Geerson knocked up winning races with him long before he won the Pacing Cup.

    Frances used to swim Sharach in the pool at Ascot going up and back 10 or more times causing some angst from the gallops trainers as most of them went in one end and out the other or up and back..- they didnt enjoy waiting 

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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    When they rebuilt the Ascot PooI at considerable expense I insisted that harness horses have access to it under RWWA.

    Sharach was well before that time and no doubt caused some consternation.

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  • getthechangegetthechange    339 posts
    Mick(from memory) ran the pool and from memory put up some or all the money - $3 a swim back then and if Mick wasnt there Wally Mitchell had a key to the gates- didnt suit all horses but Pirates Cove for his owner Chariots improved immensely in a very short time so good to see Chariots pushed for standardbreds to be able to use the new pool when built

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,322 posts
    freodockers said:

    “Great Pacing Cup memories and stories”.
    Would have to be one of the best efforts.

    Terrific to have you back posting mate -how was the spelling paddock - hopefully it was green and lush -and they chucked you a carrot  every now and again 

    And hows yours team Fremantle - the coat tuggers are out - Fremantle  they are the biggest street corner tip of all time to win an AFL Premiership - pity Geel and Rich are in the comp though - from a Dockers supporters perspective 

    And how keen are some of your players - i read that Andy Brayshaw on Xmas morning - he ran 100 - 100 metres sprints before tucking into his Xmas Pudding 

    I wonder if Chariots when he was calling the shots as Captain/Coach of Euroa - i wonder  if he ever ran  one hundred 100s on a Xmas morning 

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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    Avenel was the team and we played Euroa who were far too good for us and no 100x100 for me.

    The best I did when at Swan Districts was to run two circuits of the old Helena Vale racecourse.

    When I was in Avenel I moved to the Seymour Racecourse which was very close to where we lived.

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  • VillageKidVillageKid    2,358 posts
    edited February 2023
    If we are talking old Pacing Cup memories it is hard to go past the 1985 version which was responsible for one of the biggest upsets I can recall with long odds on favourite Preux Chevalier being toppled by young upstart Village Kid.
    This race was also memorable for one of if not the greatest drive I can ever remember in said race with Phil Coulson taking the reins on VK as regular reinsman Chris Lewis was committed to drive his own horse in the field Elteei. Well worth a look.
    And from a horse perspective the electrifying finishing bursts of Justaboyden & Quinny also were astonishing, whilst the 1993 win of The Harlem Boy (at huge odds) took everyone by surprise even the great racecaller John Hunt!

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Except in his pantry.
    Markovina said:

    freodockers said:

    “Great Pacing Cup memories and stories”.
    Would have to be one of the best efforts.

    Terrific to have you back posting mate -how was the spelling paddock - hopefully it was green and lush -and they chucked you a carrot  every now and again 

    And hows yours team Fremantle - the coat tuggers are out - Fremantle  they are the biggest street corner tip of all time to win an AFL Premiership - pity Geel and Rich are in the comp though - from a Dockers supporters perspective 

    And how keen are some of your players - i read that Andy Brayshaw on Xmas morning - he ran 100 - 100 metres sprints before tucking into his Xmas Pudding 

    I wonder if Chariots when he was calling the shots as Captain/Coach of Euroa - i wonder  if he ever ran  one hundred 100s on a Xmas morning 
    Cheers Marko hopefully we can get a winner.

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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    VillageKid said:

    If we are talking old Pacing Cup memories it is hard to go past the 1985 version which was responsible for one of the biggest upsets I can recall with long odds on favourite Preux Chevalier being toppled by young upstart Village Kid.

    This race was also memorable for one of if not the greatest drive I can ever remember in said race with Phil Coulson taking the reins on VK as regular reinsman Chris Lewis was committed to drive his own horse in the field Elteei. Well worth a look.
    And from a horse perspective the electrifying finishing bursts of Justaboyden & Quinny also were astonishing, whilst the 1993 win of The Harlem Boy (at huge odds) took everyone by surprise even the great racecaller John Hunt!
    My memory tells  I listened to that race on Radio, the finish was exciting, JH was over excited, and when THB poked through late. he had nothing left, and we had no idea who, until after the call finished,  had got up to win.  I would love to see a replay of that race if anyone knows a link. By the way John Hunt for me was a fantastic Harness caller, really injected some excitement into it, I think it is called passion :)
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Hard to track down, kept getting S.Shenton's call but here is John Hunt, and yes, poor old Hunty was out of gas at the end of an epic race.



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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Could be wrong did John Hunt call My current Account on the bend when it was The Harlem Boy. Both seen to have same colours both driven by the Duffy's Bill & Ray?
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,322 posts
    How good was Brian Gaths drive - and  he would have been in his 60s when he did that

    I have been posting consistently for years  that top Eastern State drivers - do not even blink when it comes to making mid races moves - having a shot for the lead and getting it in a major race - if the pace drops 

    Todays WA Drivers sadly will not do that - grab hold at the start - leader walks and dashes home - and you are bullet proof in front because no one will challenge you mid race for that lead .
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Went to interview Steve Mills done with Gavin Lang -----Then Gavin answered questions from audience someone asked Gavin about driving against Brain Gath with humour attached he said he could be in front three carts off the fence someone getting up on his inside your a metre to his outside he could impede both of yous within two strides.
    He gave Sean Harney the short back and sides in that race--- if my memory right thinking Gath done the same in M. mile .
    I asked Gavin why he drove Rivelea Jack with three reins in heat of inters in Perth.He said with fixed head check he could just plant his feet and refuse to go & with no head check he could just start kicking as he could get his down going up to the gate so the extra rein between his ears attached to the bridle so he could hold his head up to accept able level and he would be fine after release point. At that time he said he was the fastest horse he ever drove.
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,322 posts
    savethegame said:

    Went to interview Steve Mills done with Gavin Lang -----Then Gavin answered questions from audience someone asked Gavin about driving against Brain Gath with humour attached he said he could be in front three carts off the fence someone getting up on his inside your a metre to his outside he could impede both of yous within two strides.
    He gave Sean Harney the short back and sides in that race--- if my memory right thinking Gath done the same in M. mile .
    I asked Gavin why he drove Rivelea Jack with three reins in heat of inters in Perth.He said with fixed head check he could just plant his feet and refuse to go & with no head check he could just start kicking as he could get his down going up to the gate so the extra rein between his ears attached to the bridle so he could hold his head up to accept able level and he would be fine after release point. At that time he said he was the fastest horse he ever drove.

    Brian  Gath - champion reinsman and all the rest of it - but he was involved in a very controversial race in a big race at Harold Park - he was aboard Markovina - in Gathys beautiful red colours - and Pure Steel was in the race and Stephen Shinn the ex steward was the trainer and driver of Steelo at the time 

    The actual name of the race - it might have been named after one of those cigarette companies like they did back then - or a Lord Mayors Cup or something - but a vey nice race with attractive prizemoney -  i reckon it was around 75/76 - and something happened at the bell - Gath i think shoved PS out  wider on the track . Markovina won the race but only narrowly - PS lodged a protest - it eventually got dismissed - so Markovina kept the race - but Gath got 4 weeks suspension for causing the interference
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Marko 1976 The first Australian Pacing Championship was when B.Gath got 4 weeks. H.P.
    1992 Miracle Mile was the other time when Sean Harney got the short back and sides from B Gath after release point to concidie with The Harlem Boy Pacing Cup in 93.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Shinn dropped his whip after Gath hoisted him at the bell, only a head in it. Replay is lurking in You Tube land somewhere.
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,322 posts
    JayJay said:

    Shinn dropped his whip after Gath hoisted him at the bell, only a head in it. Replay is lurking in You Tube land somewhere.

    It would be great if you could let the forum have the enjoyment of watching that race - havent seen it for years but id love to see it 


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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    JayJay said:

    Hard to track down, kept getting S.Shenton's call but here is John Hunt, and yes, poor old Hunty was out of gas at the end of an epic race.



    Many thanks JJ for posting that (you are a wealth of information) was great to see that again & Savethegame was right called Our Current Account on the corner, I not sure many would have picked that up. Gee if the current "whip" rules were in place back then, By crikey it's not a good look.

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