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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Not sure of the ins and outs nor do I have any bias whatsoever(not sure everyone in here can say that), yes the horse flesh was of a higher standard and Bob has had some bad luck with a few since, however team Williams did an outstanding job when over in Melbourne.
    They got Arcadia Queen right after she had issues when with Waller etc etc so imo at least a 9-9.5/10 report card..all those gallopers hit the ground running and Grant deserved all(and there were plenty)wraps he got.

    Looking forward to see Pikey back too, obviously has less quality to work with on paper this year.
    Stands to reason he assumes near to top billing as he is one of if not the best.

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  • spinkingspinking    3,996 posts
    As I said not potting G&A at all the blokes a very good horseman and horsewoman. But stats talk and this year without BP horses they have trained 25 odd winners since April . Obviously there years in which they had BP those numbers were higher. I have no bias either but as you said Thunder I think some do. At around carnival time last year there was a few on here saying Durrant would not had the same result with those horses which won the group ones last year. I don’t think that would have been the case we will never know though will we?
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  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    674 posts
    Tell u what if i was bob i wouldnt give danny obrien another horse. Fair dinkum couldnt win a maiden at bong bong
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,004 posts
    I think with Peter's it really is a combo of all of the above.

    Grant and Allana magnificent trainers, Willie rode Peter's horses to perfection and that style seemed to aid their continuous improvement.

    The other factor is Bob the stallions this new crop are from,
    spinking said:

    As I said not potting G&A at all the blokes a very good horseman and horsewoman. But stats talk and this year without BP horses they have trained 25 odd winners since April . Obviously there years in which they had BP those numbers were higher. I have no bias either but as you said Thunder I think some do. At around carnival time last year there was a few on here saying Durrant would not had the same result with those horses which won the group ones last year. I don’t think that would have been the case we will never know though will we?




    You can't really take anything out of Grant and Alana'record this season, they have to replace to stock before you can get an accurate guide-going to take far more than one season to do that.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    exactly, gila, they are re-building from almost scratch. when they trained for Bob they only had 1 outside client, the galantes.
    now they have had to attract new clients and new horses. that takes time so when they hit their strides they'll be very successful as they are epitome of horse people. 
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  • BobcatBobcat    184 posts
    What ever G&A’s training methods are no other trainer seems to be able to replicate it.  I don’t even think Pike will change Bob’s current strike rate. 
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    spot on, bobcat. what Bob had with g&a was an exclusive arrangement (apart from a couple of galantes horses) and it worked superbly.
    now he has his horses mainly with durrant and grantham.....who have a swag of horses that do not race in the cerise and white.
    with the class and number of horses Bob has he needs a private training arrangement...very hard to get in perth. plenty of trainers but .........
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  • jumjum    3,580 posts
    edited November 2022
    I'll throw my 2 cents in worth here of my opinion.
     Every year Bob has 2 or 3 outstanding 3 yr olds that win everything. right through to our WFA group1.  I think as earlier mentioned on this thread. This year he has none and I firmly believe that truck rollover near Kalgoorlie is responsible, when bob had about a dozen horses involved. He lost this year's 3yr old crop. So now we do not see the pink and cerise winning as much as we have become accustomed too.
    This year he has had a throw at the stumps with his good older horses and sent them to Melbourne. He was off the mark with his throw and there were some overthrows 
    :-j. 
    He had some injuries, and some horses didn't come up to the mark.
    All this and he lost his two most important commodities (for whatever reasons). His Trainers and his Jockey. 
    Willy is now back. If he can sort out his trainer ??????? 

    Mark my words. This is a blip on the radar. Bob will be back better than ever in the next year or two.

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,411 posts
    edited November 2022
    Good analysis Jum. 

    In reply to Falcon.. So if he now has horses mainly with Durrant again after earlier ditching him does that me he is starting again to play musical chairs on the Trainer front...Round 2
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    In an interview with Julio Santarelli today Pike said he had not decided on his future.

    He will be going to the Magic Millions after the Perth carnival and would decide some time after that

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  • Precision1Precision1    581 posts
    jum said:

    I'll throw my 2 cents in worth here of my opinion.

     Every year Bob has 2 or 3 outstanding 3 yr olds that win everything. right through to our WFA group1.  I think as earlier mentioned on this thread. This year he has none and I firmly believe that truck rollover near Kalgoorlie is responsible, when bob had about a dozen horses involved. He lost this year's 3yr old crop. So now we do not see the pink and cerise winning as much as we have become accustomed too.
    This year he has had a throw at the stumps with his good older horses and sent them to Melbourne. He was off the mark with his throw and there were some overthrows 
    :-j. 
    He had some injuries, and some horses didn't come up to the mark.
    All this and he lost his two most important commodities (for whatever reasons). His Trainers and his Jockey. 
    Willy is now back. If he can sort out his trainer ??????? 

    Mark my words. This is a blip on the radar. Bob will be back better than ever in the next year or two.

    I tend to agree with this sentiment as a whole, particularly the massive loss to his 3yo contingent this season

    Saying that its hard not to think a few of his horse have gone backwards.  Basically everything that went East was a bust, now you can say it’s harder over there but the stats show G&A managed to have success with them.  You’ll be hard pressed to tell me Western Empire ran just as well in Melbourne as he did here, and it was just he’s not up to them.  He clearly went backwards as did most of them.  I also think Adam is struggling with Bobs, and if it were me I’d be sending as many of them to M Grantham as he can take.  

    For sure Bob will continue to have stars coming through but he needs to ensure they go to the right people to realise it.  
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    thats all well and good precision1. when a stable gets as many as you suggest that stable must have dedicated staff plus his deputy trainers must be up to his standards and often beyond. the stable must have permanent and reliable track riders.
    grants success i have been told is that alana is up there with barts joe agresta and tommys jim hickey.
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  • detonatordetonator    4,397 posts
    See Willie replaces Carvery on Devoted…..Didn’t see that coming :-B
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    ^ bet Carvery did...... =((

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,402 posts
    thefalcon said:

    ^ bet Carvery did...... =((


    This "Carvery" caper is a load of w@nk @thefalcon and @detonator . Fair dinkum the bloke has been consistently in the upper ranks in WA for approx 30 years and you keep dishing up this crap.

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,402 posts
    Flanders said:

    thefalcon said:

    ^ bet Carvery did...... =((


    This "Carvery" caper is a load of w@nk @thefalcon and @detonator . Fair dinkum the bloke has been consistently in the upper ranks in WA for approx 30 years and you keep dishing up this crap.

    And @blacksafake
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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Bob has one over east with Julian Welsh too, a 4yo mare Delicate Babe who had her first start at Pakenham..ran a good 2nd.
    She raced in what I assume are the stables colours not his own which is odd.
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  • BlacksAFakeBlacksAFake    2,377 posts
    Flanders said:

    Flanders said:

    thefalcon said:

    ^ bet Carvery did...... =((


    This "Carvery" caper is a load of w@nk @thefalcon and @detonator . Fair dinkum the bloke has been consistently in the upper ranks in WA for approx 30 years and you keep dishing up this crap.

    And @blacksafake



    Bet he replaces him on Uncompromised too :>
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  • FlandersFlanders    1,402 posts
    BlacksAFake said:

    Flanders said:

    Flanders said:

    thefalcon said:

    ^ bet Carvery did...... =((


    This "Carvery" caper is a load of w@nk @thefalcon and @detonator . Fair dinkum the bloke has been consistently in the upper ranks in WA for approx 30 years and you keep dishing up this crap.

    And @blacksafake



    Bet he replaces him on Uncompromised too :>

    Wow you're really going out on a limb there
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,215 posts
    It was started by a Racecaller the ""carvery has done a job on this"" back 28 ---30years prior to him having that stint in Melb the Racecaller was fronted to stop it

    Can tell you any budding Appies. what like to have his C.V. on the journey he has a WA grand slam Karrakatta, Railway Kingston Town Perth Cup with some repeats

    He doesn't do it as much nowadays but he was the best and quickest exponent of switching the whip right;- left-- right which is an art in WA.-- because most tracks are that tight and short run ins

    He Will do me any day of the week .Who could forget Regal Power over the top of Western Empire in K .T

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  • thelivingendthelivingend    19 posts
    Flanders said:

    thefalcon said:

    ^ bet Carvery did...... =((


    This "Carvery" caper is a load of w@nk @thefalcon and @detonator . Fair dinkum the bloke has been consistently in the upper ranks in WA for approx 30 years and you keep dishing up this crap.
    Spot on =D> , finally someone talking sense, betting those bagging him have not had the success he has had over 30 years and still going strong. but haters like to hate, poor form

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  • thelivingendthelivingend    19 posts
    savethegame said:

    It was started by a Racecaller the ""carvery has done a job on this"" back 28 ---30years prior to him having that stint in Melb the Racecaller was fronted to stop it

    Can tell you any budding Appies. what like to have his C.V. on the journey he has a WA grand slam Karrakatta, Railway Kingston Town Perth Cup with some repeats

    He doesn't do it as much nowadays but he was the best and quickest exponent of switching the whip right;- left-- right which is an art in WA.-- because most tracks are that tight and short run ins

    He Will do me any day of the week .Who could forget Regal Power over the top of Western Empire in K .T

    100% spot on, a class act imo

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  • LetsgetstartedLetsgetstarted    22 posts
    detonator said:

    See Willie replaces Carvery on Devoted…..Didn’t see that coming :-B

    You absolute ????
    detonator said:

    See Willie replaces Carvery on Devoted…..Didn’t see that coming :-B

    thelivingend said:

    savethegame said:

    It was started by a Racecaller the ""carvery has done a job on this"" back 28 ---30years prior to him having that stint in Melb the Racecaller was fronted to stop it

    Can tell you any budding Appies. what like to have his C.V. on the journey he has a WA grand slam Karrakatta, Railway Kingston Town Perth Cup with some repeats

    He doesn't do it as much nowadays but he was the best and quickest exponent of switching the whip right;- left-- right which is an art in WA.-- because most tracks are that tight and short run ins

    He Will do me any day of the week .Who could forget Regal Power over the top of Western Empire in K .T

    100% spot on, a class act imo
    detonator said:

    See Willie replaces Carvery on Devoted…..Didn’t see that coming :-B


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  • LetsgetstartedLetsgetstarted    22 posts
    detonator said:

    See Willie replaces Carvery on Devoted…..Didn’t see that coming :-B

    Will wait for the comment on the ride on devoted in the last ????‍♂️????‍♂️????‍♂️????‍♂️


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  • detonatordetonator    4,397 posts
    Pike from barrier 11 in a field of 13 couldn’t get in came 3rd.
    Carvery the other day from barrier 15 in a field of 16 goes to the rails and gets caught up behind bums and runs 7th.
    Don’t get anything back for 7th. 
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  • LetsgetstartedLetsgetstarted    22 posts
    detonator said:

    Pike from barrier 11 in a field of 13 couldn’t get in came 3rd.

    Carvery the other day from barrier 15 in a field of 16 goes to the rails and gets caught up behind bums and runs 7th.
    Don’t get anything back for 7th. 

    you certainly have zero idea
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    detonator said:

    Pike from barrier 11 in a field of 13 couldn’t get in came 3rd.

    Carvery the other day from barrier 15 in a field of 16 goes to the rails and gets caught up behind bums and runs 7th.
    Don’t get anything back for 7th. 
    $2700 for running 7th.........
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  • detonatordetonator    4,397 posts
    Voodoo said:

    detonator said:

    Pike from barrier 11 in a field of 13 couldn’t get in came 3rd.

    Carvery the other day from barrier 15 in a field of 16 goes to the rails and gets caught up behind bums and runs 7th.
    Don’t get anything back for 7th. 
    $2700 for running 7th.........
    Aim high.
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  • FlandersFlanders    1,402 posts
    Devoted today.... isn't an on-pace type and had another wide barrier. Limited options for the jockey:
    1. Chance your hand to get cover.... if it doesn't eventuate, you get caught wide with no cover.
    2. Go right back and ride for luck.

    Both scenarios are low risk and neither are due to a skill shortage. Great run to get 3rd today but was win or bust and probably misses the Railway.

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  • jumjum    3,580 posts
    detonator said:

    Pike from barrier 11 in a field of 13 couldn’t get in came 3rd.

    Carvery the other day from barrier 15 in a field of 16 goes to the rails and gets caught up behind bums and runs 7th.
    Don’t get anything back for 7th. 
    Sorry Det,
    You're clutching here.
    I'm not a Carbery fan, but gee how many times do you see jocks ride for luck. Its just some are kissed on the cockkkk.
    Look at Pike on Elite Belle and the PoGo stick.

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