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  • PictureSon1973PictureSon1973    143 posts
    From my own Personal Experience Pinjarra has always been a good Track for Hot Favouites
    getting beat .
    Remember many years ago a write up in the West about Shattering Class he was low flying at that
    stage I believe the article was possibly setting a new record on the track either Australian or World
    but my memory escapes me exactly what .
    That got my attention must watch this i think he was in the red!
    Watched the race he led only to be gunned down by R.Olivieri’s Super Strike at reasonable odds .
    Lesson Learnt that day from Pinjarra that straight gives every horse a chance if good enough
    irregardless of track position.
    That race was ideal for Diego wish the Fro / Pacing Cup was at Pinjarra as I backed him in both
    those races.
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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    I think a bit more than the track came into play for Diego.

    Track Rating: GOODGross Time: 3:15:0Mile Rate: 1:56:6Lead Time: 77.3
    First Quarter: 28.9Second Quarter: 30.5Third Quarter: 30.1Fourth Quarter: 28.2

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    GP tonight 5 out of first 7 all lead.
    Highest return $3.70.
    Absolutely inspiring stuff.
    The sooner they close it down and move to Pinjarra the better.

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    What are you intimating Chariots.
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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    Lead time equivalent to a 1:53.9 mile rate and first quarter in 28.9 says it all. Very much doubt if anything will be found in a pre-race betting inquiry. Stake money and stature of the race was probably enough.

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  • PictureSon1973PictureSon1973    143 posts
    Best you know Chariots as you made a profession from Race Analytics.
    But all the other Horses behind the front 2 had there chance .Perhaps you could
    inform me / us the number of times a horse coming 3 Pegs @ G.P wins a race .
    I can’t offer up any hard evidence but my own observations and I suspect Pinjarra
    would have a better winning percentage in regards to winning from 3 on the Pegs .
    IMO the track made his task easier than if the exact same occurrence were to
    have materialised @ G.P
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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Sprint Lane !!!!
    Couldn’t help myself.
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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    Winners can come from any position when a horses are over driven at the front of the field as verified by the sectional times.

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  • getthechangegetthechange    339 posts
    some useless info
    3 back pegs at bell (recorded as 5 in results) - finishing position last five meetings at Pin and GPM

    Pin 
    2-1-9-4-6-4-2-2-1-5               (1st Alta Allure  - 1st Diego)
    5-6-5-5-4-3-4-5
    2-3-9-10-7-6-4-4
    3-3-4-7-5-7-6-4-2
    7-3-3-10-8-7-4-6

    GPM
    5-1-5-3-3-10-2-3-6-7         (1st disco under fire)
    4-2-10-3-2-6-1-4-6-3-3   (1st Cordero)
    4-12-5-3-5-4-8-6-4-11
    6-4-3-3-10-2-5-5-7-7
    4-8-5-8-6-3-3-4-7-7

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Not sure if your on the right track there Chariots.
    If I understand correctly your intimating the stewards are investigating betting activity because the horse in front was overdriven and his stablemate won the race.
    The stewards report mentions nothing ie QDT of Chicago Bull. And if the stewards believe this to be the case shouldn’t there be at least an inquiry into the driving tactics of said horses.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,225 posts
    edited March 2022
    Sprint Lanes & Stands go a along to removing  Orchestrated tactics The rank & file punters have long left. Right across  Aus,  races worth 50k or more have been very  controversial-----Inters--Pacing Cup--- Group 1 mares Trotting ----Pinjarra Cup------time for some serious penalties thats without  checking on any other 50k or more races.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,225 posts
    freodockers said:

    Not sure if your on the right track there Chariots.
    If I understand correctly your intimating the stewards are investigating betting activity because the horse in front was overdriven and his stablemate won the race.
    The stewards report mentions nothing ie QDT of Chicago Bull. And if the stewards believe this to be the case shouldn’t there be at least an inquiry into the driving tactics of said horses.

    Thought be based on the breeze apply undo pressure with stablemate on Bulls back with Tab fixed flux 50s--10. The breeze stopped that quick it allowed Diego to present in a heartbeat----- Plus Diego was10s to 6s Tab fixed which no doubt the betting steward will release all the flucs across the corporates & Betfair because Tab touch would be only small sample of what transpired.
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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Thought the same STG if anything the breeze horse was given a very difficult task.
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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    3,025 posts
    Dockers the horse that was over driven was Mighty Conqueror and I am pretty sure it did not have Diego in mind when these tactics were adopted. Chicago Bull was the victim not the protagonist in this case and I am a little perplexed that you have not realised this.

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  • MorganJamesMorganJames    179 posts
    Could the pre race betting inquiry have anything to do with the heavy support  for Double Up before Hampton Banner was officially scratched ?

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Chariots probably where “overdriven at the front of the field”.
    Anyhow still no questions from stewards re tactics.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,225 posts
    MorganJames said:

    Could the pre race betting inquiry have anything to do with the heavy support  for Double Up before Hampton Banner was officially scratched ?

    Very grey area regards pre-race  betting. We seen the greatest disgrace took place in 2009 inters when it was declared that Auckland Reactor was not coming for inters in January & was never actually entered for the inters. Pre race betting was under way without Auckland Reactor.

    Then 3 weeks prior Purdon paid 22k, late entry fee betting was suspended for a hour then included him in the field as 3/1 favourite--Champion Vic.pacer had broken down Melpark major as well who was the favourite -So the then favourite  A.R--.became a total skinner.as not one dollar had been invested in two months of betting 

    Hearsay & rumours  someone may say heard such & such is 50% chance running & others may say if it comes out the emg. then has a ideal barrier. Then if it did run you would still get your money back on being speculative.with the emg. 
    Theres a couple other purely speculative ways. but R rated. for here.




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  • Cant_RefuseCant_Refuse    198 posts
    savethegame said:

    MorganJames said:

    Could the pre race betting inquiry have anything to do with the heavy support  for Double Up before Hampton Banner was officially scratched ?

    Very grey area regards pre-race  betting. We seen the greatest disgrace took place in 2009 inters when it was declared that Auckland Reactor was not coming for inters in January & was never actually entered for the inters. Pre race betting was under way without Auckland Reactor.

    Then 3 weeks prior Purdon paid 22k, late entry fee betting was suspended for a hour then included him in the field as 3/1 favourite--Champion Vic.pacer had broken down Melpark major as well who was the favourite -So the then favourite  A.R--.became a total skinner.as not one dollar had been invested in two months of betting 

    Hearsay & rumours  someone may say heard such & such is 50% chance running & others may say if it comes out the emg. then has a ideal barrier. Then if it did run you would still get your money back on being speculative.with the emg. 
    Theres a couple other purely speculative ways. but R rated. for here.





    double up was heavily supported not long before the scratching. Even blind Freddy could see something suss.
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,225 posts
    The betting Investigator will have access to all accounts  through all Tabs & corporates that had bets placed on  Double up &what time the bets took.place.Scratching time listed for Hampton Banner 7.59---.7/03/2022----Strange  Caveman is listed as 8.55---- 7/03/2022 on Tabtouch.

    Wouldn't be hard to marry up whos- who.regards insider trading--Then what make all eachway fixed bets void  on Double up for certain clients? depending on time frame?
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,384 posts
    Chariotsonfire said:

    Dockers the horse that was over driven was Mighty Conqueror and I am pretty sure it did not have Diego in mind when these tactics were adopted. Chicago Bull was the victim not the protagonist in this case and I am a little perplexed that you have not realised this.

    Your correct their Chariots - and you can forget all  about the  betting - there will be nothing in that at  all

    This is purely a tongue in cheek light hearted comment

    But  maybe Daddy wanted his lovely daughter to win the Pinjarra Cup 

    I will keep the pace on - and Sweetie Pie can sit 3 pegs and go whoosh 
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,384 posts
    This is why WA Trotting needs a massive shake up - and whoever is in charge - they should all be chucked out in my opinion 

    And what i base that on - Kalgoorlie re Trotting had a great and colourful history - now they closed it - citing the Tyranny of distance problem - and with petrol currently at $2.29 a litre that is fair enough 

    However for them not to get 1 single meeting a year - a Kal Cup meeting - so the history of trotting continues - and the record books keep ticking over - is an absolute disgrace - and i say throw all the miserable barrrstards out 

    Contrast that to NSW - re Broken Hill ( which is in the middle of no where )- they get 1 TAB Meeting a year which is tonight 

    It is a 7 race card - there are 6 races each worth 9.2k each - and  a 18.8k Broken Hill Pacing Cup 

    Why cant Kalgoorlie get the same - the ones in charge of WA Pacing - well - i should quote Vinnie Knight again

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,384 posts
    Buggger that - i was barracking for Leo in the home straight

    Would have been his 1st win in a long long time i reckon 

    Eventual winner nearly broke at the 400 - pity just for tonight it didnt 

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,638 posts
    February 23, 2014 Lost Gold  at Collie.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,638 posts
    Interesting call at Gawler on Sunday when a horse started from the wrong gate (as clearly stated in the Stewards Report,  it shifted up from Gate 7 to gate 8 prior to the start), horse won the race, driver fined $100.Was thinking (never a good thing) that if a galloper started from the wrong stall, would it not be an automatic disqualification?
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,384 posts
    Stewards can do some strange things when horses gallop in the score up 

    Tony Pullacino - look i think he ended up getting 12 years i think for a few misdemeanours - so my take was the stewards had their eyes on him 

    And he had a stint in Tassie - drew barrier 12 - 5 on the 2nd line - his horse galloped in the score up - not his fault - they aernt machines - so it was 40-50 metres back - trying desperately to catch up - and at release it got within 15-20 metres of the field - but naturally it gravitated towards the pegs to catch them - so it was in the running line and got past a couple who were drawn wide on the front 

    Horse ended up running 2nd or 3rd - and the stewards disqualified it - like i say - they were watching him like a blooody hawk done their 
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,016 posts
    R1 tonight pretty keen to have a bet on Precocious Lady. I think Northern Gaze will pour some pressure on to the fave early setting it up for her, will take a good drive but confident Harper can do the job
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,016 posts
    Well that didn’t go to plan. Smart decision to go back on Northern Gaze.
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,016 posts
    Only other donation for me tonight is The Righteous. Not sure how it can win the race but have been filling it, racing well and too big a price for it to win without me.
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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Good odds on Sagatious Gilga.
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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Tepelo Star woo hoo.
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