Perth Cup

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

Silly buggers too, because distance racing had always been popular with the punters it's variety, it's different, it's enjoyable ( can't have that can we ).

More and more 1000 and 1200 metre races - less distance racing - look at the Perth Cup field today - and there's really no need to wonder why.

Sprint racing has been encouraged and distance racing discouraged for all sorts of reasons. Alan Mathews - a genius at getting them right for 3,200 - takes time, effort, skill.

Jell · December 2019

spinking said:
Have a look at the crowd at Ascot in 1920 on cup day in today's west. How they would like a crowd like that there today

They probably wouldn’t since there’s no racing on ;))

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

Light at the end of the tunnel - Vow And Declare + Surpise Baby showed what Australian stayers can achieve. Suprise Baby had to win the Bart Cummings to guarantee a start - what a great idea that race is - and Surprise Baby duly came through it it and nearly a certainty beaten in the Melbourne Cup.

Brisbane Cup back to 3,200 - great stuff, don't have to be Einstein to make that change but credit given.

Melbourne Cup winner Americain and a couple of other former top stayers producing at stud, will take time but hopefully some good ones come through.

A few of the Americains seen have been as slow as a wet week, but their stayers, give 'em time!

3,200 Brisbane Cup.
Australia 1st and 5th in a classy Melbourne Cup field.
Horses like Americain at stud here.

Their is light at the end of the tunnel, as long as not a train coming the other way!

spinking · December 2019

Obviously comedian is not on your cv Jell. I am starting to think Vega Magic was never ever going to start in this race. But certainly gets the trainers other one in good at the weights

spinking · December 2019

I should rephrase that not starting to think to was never going to start in this race

DamienWyer · December 2019

It's a real pity that Vega Magic didn't accept for the Scorcher. Going into the Sprint Series in January and February, he is the one horse that Carocapo would struggle against as he has loads of class. I don't even know if Carocapo will go for a break or try one of those Listed events before a rest and thoughts of a Winter campaign.

Chris · December 2019

A fit Vega Magic would leave Carocapo in another postcode

savethegame · December 2019

With Sydney racing & melbourne racing strangling each other into submission, over whos carnival is the ace, ,which in turn only weakens a industry that's trying to absorb the blows from left,right and centre. the saying UNITED YOU STAND DIVIDED YOU FALL. ----is coming home at a faster rate. then these clowns realize..

From this stoush it directly affects perth racing carnival where it sits, plus our group one horses can mix it with there best.They, realize sending group two types aren.t good enough--Waller woke -up quick.nothing this year in k.t. year before last with mr.sea wolf.---year before the three last positions belong to tom Melbourne, life less ordinary, all our roads,who lacked nothing in jocks oliver,whyte, walker..

The perth cup probably lucky it went to 2400m (2009) when it did, prizemoney was 400k, --2006 same as now, plus the last few years if it wasn't for horses from the railway, and k.t. that injected genuine group one type horses, for a 2400m. perth cup- the likes of pounamu material man, perfect jewel, star exibit, gatting action etc,- would have been hard to drag them out to 3200m-from the back of peak runs at 1600.--1800m. even this year we have m,delta star exhibit in.

More chance of Australia wide exposure if you had a 3200m four year-old& up maiden worth a 1million- with one horse from each state & n.z. to represent. then whoever after that. 4-up maidens. call it-- RAGS TO RICHES PERTH CUP--- The landscape would continual change in the leadup. Mileage from media would be on going in each state, plus staying sires might get a second glance. at sales with another option.

DamienWyer · December 2019

Chris said:
A fit Vega Magic would leave Carocapo in another postcode

that's the fear

thefalcon · December 2019

I have said before PR have absolutely no interest in middle distance racing. in my opinion the breeders have lobbied (for use of a better word) PR/RWWA to promote sprinters. some weeks you see no middle distance races on a Saturday card. melb. and Sydney on the other hand have at least 1, sometimes 2 on a Saturday programme.

Belmont winter is a classic example..i think their were at least 2 "cups" one being the edgar meres cup culminating in the 2400m winter cup. now????

next thing they'll be reducing the Pinjarra and bunbury cups to 1800m

spinking · December 2019

Please Damien

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

That's true stg, and what we need though is 3 Mr Moets, 3 Gattings, 3 Pounamu's, a few Material Mans and Star Exhibits and Regal Power's etc quality horse's between 1600 - 2400.

No horse has yet to do the double since distance change 12 Cups ago - but the ones above they've all been competitive in at least two of the big three - Railway- KT- Cup - just need more of them to get the quality up!

The died in the wool stayer - their gone. Remember those two mile grinders - finished. We are left with abit of quality like above or plodding types at best, that battle to run 2,400 let alone 3,200.

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

A few years ago Melbourne and Sydney distance racing was terrible, shocking fields, small and no quality, but they've turned it around completely and now we are seeing some very good fields come through.

WA needs to do the same - turn it around. Otherwise a eight horse field Perth Cup is not far away, and the lack of eastern states representation is a joke.

Does anybody make a phone call to encourage eastern stayers to come ? Too hard ?

We are the only state in Australia that attracts no eastern states representation to its Cup. Even the Darwin Cup gets visitors - heck our own Ihtsahymn went there.

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

And as far as that Japanese horse Suzuka Devious running, I mean seriously was that an early April Fools day joke ?

Wonder how much Tabtouch took from the 10/1 and 12/1 on offer - not there fault, anybody silly enough to bet on it, good luck, but even if just $5 was taken it was $5 too much. I'd bet it was in the hundreds.

The eastern states horse's entered most of them were in the paddock enjoying a spell, not every day, you can take 10/1 about something that's out for a six month spell.

Don't blame anyone bar the punter, but those all in markets running at upwards of 450% - no refund -should be a Royal Commision into them.

paraletic · December 2019

Ridersonthestorm33 said:
And as far as that Japanese horse Suzuka Devious running, I mean seriously was that an early April Fools day joke ?

Wonder how much Tabtouch took from the 10/1 and 12/1 on offer - not there fault, anybody silly enough to bet on it, good luck, but even if just $5 was taken it was $5 too much. I'd bet it was in the hundreds.

The eastern states horse's entered most of them were in the paddock enjoying a spell, not every day, you can take 10/1 about something that's out for a six month spell.

Don't blame anyone bar the punter, but those all in markets running at upwards of 450% - no refund -should be a Royal Commision into them.

the sad part about the Suzuka Devious thing is they think they can run 17th in a Packenham Cup and win a Perth Cup. Goes to show you what others think of our racing

darkshines · December 2019

No disrespect to Market Ruler or connections, but when an animal of its ability can pocket over half a mill before it turns 4, thats why our stayers are what they are.

Maybe they could clip the Westpeed and add it as bonuses to staying races.

*ducks head*

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

For sure, and at the moment would be happy to see a horse than ran eight in the Casterton Cup arrive, just anybody!

We are always happy to see how say how Gatting would go over east - he won a Group 1 over there and for the same reason would be good to see how the eastern state invaders fare against Missippipi Delta, Star Exhibit etc.

Perth Cup has never been "easier" to win and yet they still can't get anybody here.

As said the ONLY major Cup in Australia with no visitors, we wouldn't have had anymore than 3 or 4 in the last ten years. Darwin get them, Hobart, Launceston will have several, Adelaide Cup gets them, Brisbane yes of course. Darwin, Launceston, Hobart Cups arn't worth a packet. They get representatives from the major states.

The Pat Carey one last year - was shocking, Gai Waterhouse brought one that was beaten at the winning post the first time around, outside of those two, perhaps one or two others in over ten years. Perhaps.

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

By the same token, its a fine line - add a Regal Power and a Mr. Moet type plus two or three quality eastern states horse's - bingo - it's a very very good Cup!

Doesn't take a hell of a lot.

DamienWyer · December 2019

There are a couple of yearlings in the GC Sale that look like staying types in breeding and photo's online. Essentially if you're right, that means giving up the two year old season almost certainly. That takes a lot of patience and deep pockets. Again if your right you won't have a lot of competition when the horse does race for you, but it's a big if.

DamienWyer · December 2019

spinking said:
Please Damien

Ah c'mon, everyone else on here casts some bait into the water eventually......................

spinking · December 2019

Fair enough

Rodent · December 2019

I said it years ago. All the natural incentives are for a quick return. You need to balance it out by having financial incentives to race stayers to reflect the extra time and money they take. Not only do they need to program more staying races but they need to boost stakes of longer races at the expense of early 2yo races.

You have to make the prizemoney landscape such that breeders of stayers can get just as much at the sales as a breeder of early 2yos. If you can't sell stayers, who will breed them?

There needs to be a lead in time so that breeders can adjust. If distance races had bigger prizemoney then surely trainers would import staying stock from the east. Numbers would swell.

We just want balance. We wan't even numbers across the board. Sadly distance racing has been cut off at the knees in favour of 2yo racing.

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

Just looking at the barrier draw, good long run to the first corner, but always nice to draw well, and 95% of the chances have - dream draws for Spiritual Warrior, Taxagano, Star Exhibit, Royal Command, Friar Fox, Arctic Stream.

The horse that has drawn abit awkwardly out at 11 is Missippipi Delta - with Pikey will probably slot over into a great spot, but even so, if like him think this favourite might get out further in the betting and start at better than $3 on the day.

Favourite's on the main race of the day since Star Exhibit won first up at 50/1 have had a shocking run with only Regal Power winning, Arctic Stream the last one to bite the dust.

Would be silly to say Mississippi Delta can't win, but wouldn't go anywhere near him at under 2/1 ($3).

Ridersonthestorm33 · December 2019

Friar Fox might have got under the guard - Steve Parnham :-? one of the best hoops on roughies have seen. ( John Claite was a fave on outsiders - terrific hoop ). Going to do something one day that Friar Fox.

Royal Command gate one - could just keep poking up on the paint for Shaun McGruddy, not a huge fan of barrier one though, they can get pushed out of it, but he might be one that positions up perfectly.

Spiritual Warrior over 10/1 with some corporate's - punters and bookies still taking an aversion to this horse! Barrier 4 - couldn't be better.

Arctic Stream - was a very hectic run last week! If came through 16/1 from a perfect draw looks ressonable too. Hopefully not a shamozzle at the start like last week.

Will be surprised if Missile Launch wins - but another drawn perfectly in five.

Finally the dual Perth Cup winner - it's a great draw for him too -settle just beyond midfield - smoking the pipe, could pounce to get his third.

Ridersonthestorm33 · January 2020

Steve Parnham was aboard Platoon in the Railway, zooming home at 33/1 for a ticky. KC and the Sunshine Band was around 10/1, Stirling Estate about 14/1 the place the other day, and rode a 16/1 winner.

He does have that knack of bringing them home rough into the top four.

Ridersonthestorm33 · January 2020

See that 'ol 100/1 chance Dark Musket ran fifth in the ATA beaten under three lengths, just needs to beat three runners home this time to run top ten for the fourth time in a Perth Cup. ( 4th, 5th, 9th so far ).

Just the three to beat - but it won't be easy, can he do it..of course he can!

Reminds a bit of a former horse in Sydney named County Tyrone who from memory ran in several Sydney Cups, pretty good stayer was County Tyrone, would be hard to beat in this one.

Even though Cup only over 2,400 look for several to be starting to struggle around the 600, including a few of the chances. Even though just a field, should be a war of attrition up the straight, unless Star Exhibit goes bang to take his third. Or Pikey brings that fave straight past them.

One thing almost for sure Regal Power would've put six lengths on them.

Chelsea · January 2020

Just a shame Cockney Crew had a minor problem

PC · January 2020

Ridersonthestorm33 said:
With the 3,200 have a look at replays of past WA Cup's - they are spread out at the finish by 50 lengths...its a joke, horses dropping at alarmingly and dare say dangerously - most can't run 2,200 let alone 3,200.

Agree, it's sad, but that's the way it is, how can you train them for 3,200 when the breeding is not there and there's hardly a race over 2,400 anymore.

They let distance racing slip here - and they let it slip badly.

Yep you're right. I can remember the 1999 Perth Cup when King Of Saxony won first-up. Trained by John Miller (rider of Galilee). That Perth Cup turned out to be quite strong as we all know later that year.

SKIDS · January 2020

Prince Turbo is a definite in my first 4 B-)

Ridersonthestorm33 · January 2020

Good luck Skids, not for me but gotta be some sort of chance for top 4, been very consistent.

Noticed yesterday strong support for another consistent runner, firming right in - Taxagano, also not one of mine - not that means anything, and been running really well and showing fight.

Two former trotting trainers/drivers with live chances - Fred Kersley and Justin Warwick. I'd never underestimate either, both horsemen of distinction. That FRK is amazing.

G'day Punter!

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