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Perth Cup back to 3200m.....maybe

West Australian Racing

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    edited May 2017





    Alan Mathews says if the same effort was put into the Perth Cup as the Railway Stakes and Winterbottom it will be a race of prestige again.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Think energies would be better being exerted in that direction, yes.
    (Rather than chopping and changing distances etc).


    As for MEL v PER prizemoney.
    If ours mooted paying $6m there would be howls of giving all our money away to some rich e/s owner.

    Also remember the last time we had comparable stakes was the times of Laurie Connell, Bondy etc.
    Hard to think the resources were legit.
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  • spinkingspinking    4,000 posts

    Fait Accompi won the first hundred thousand dollar  Perth cup back in 1972 which then was the same prizemoney as the previous running of the Melbourne cup . I think the VRC in that year (1972) increased the prizemoney of that years Melbourne cup so it was worth more than the Perth cup

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  • PCPC    2,265 posts
    Congratulations to WA racing icon John "J.J" Miller for being inducted into the Australian Racing Hall of Fame today. Johnny was a champion jockey who rode 2000 winners including teaming up with Bart Cummings to ride Galilee to victory in the 1966 Caulfield and Melbourne Cup's and the Sydney Cup in 1967....and no horse has won the Caulfield, Melbourne and Sydney Cup's in the same season since. Johnny then became a successful trainer and I believe his greatest training triumph was training King Of Saxony to victory in the 1999 Perth Cup....and get this......first up after an 8-month spell, and the horse who finished second in that Perth Cup (beaten by 0.2 lengths) was WA horse Rogan Josh who went on to win the Melbourne Cup later that year. Once again well done Johnny Miller and a great day for WA racing.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,480 posts
    :-\"

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  • ChrisChris    5,733 posts
    PC said:

    Congratulations to WA racing icon John "J.J" Miller for being inducted into the Australian Racing Hall of Fame today. Johnny was a champion jockey who rode 2000 winners including teaming up with Bart Cummings to ride Galilee to victory in the 1966 Caulfield and Melbourne Cup's and the Sydney Cup in 1967....and no horse has won the Caulfield, Melbourne and Sydney Cup's in the same season since. Johnny then became a successful trainer and I believe his greatest training triumph was training King Of Saxony to victory in the 1999 Perth Cup....and get this......first up after an 8-month spell, and the horse who finished second in that Perth Cup (beaten by 0.2 lengths) was WA horse Rogan Josh who went on to win the Melbourne Cup later that year. Once again well done Johnny Miller and a great day for WA racing.

    Great wrap PC

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    https://rsn.net.au/hall-fame-inductee-john-jj-miller-joins-michael-felgate/?platform=hootsuite.
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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,480 posts
    what are the medals on jj's chest?
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  • PCPC    2,265 posts
    Does anyone know where a replay of that 1999 Perth Cup? I cant find it anywhere on the net
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  • udontknowudontknow    569 posts
    Perth Cup
    Perth Racing has asked RWWA to consult with industry on the possibility of reverting the distance of the
    Perth Cup [G2] to 3200m. The race was run over the traditional distance of 3200m up until 2008, with the
    subsequent nine runnings at 2400m.
    A change in distance of the Perth Cup would of course also require changes to the lead-up races and I
    have attached a full draft program to this effect. Please note that it is intended to leave the distance of
    the weight-for-age Ted van Heemst Stakes [G2] at 2100m as a target for horses coming out of the
    Kingston Town Classic [G1] over 1800m two-weeks prior.
    WA Oaks
    A proposal was considered last year to reduce the distance of the WA Oaks [G3] from the classic distance
    of 2400m to 2200m as part of a restructure of the three-years-old fillies autumn program. A change in
    distance did not proceed at that time, however stakeholders were advised a more thorough consultation
    process on the concept would be undertaken following the 2017 running of the race.
    The 2017 WA Oaks again attracted only 9 starters, with the third placed horse beaten five lengths. It is
    appropriate that further consultation takes place in relation to a reduction of the distance of the Oaks from
    2400m to 2200m in an attempt to arrest the declining field size, and quality of participation. A reduction
    in distance for the Oaks would also result in a revision of distances for the lead-up program.
    It is noted that the WATC Derby was run one week after the WA Oaks in 2017 and the three fillies who
    competed in both races finished second, third and fourth in the Derby.
    Submissions
    It is important that RWWA receive feedback on the distance of the Perth Cup and WA Oaks from all
    stakeholder groups and to this end I am requesting submissions be made to RWWA prior to Friday, 16
    June 2017.
    Given the expected level of interest in these matters, RWWA will also be inviting submissions directly
    individual stakeholders and other interested parties through our website. Submissions can be emailed
    to racing@rwwa.com.au
    Yours faithfully
    David Hunter
    Manager Racing Commercial & Planning
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Changing the distance of the oaks will not increase field sizes. Just like changing the barrier draws didn't.
    The industry has a much larger problem....it is in decline. That is why you have small fields.
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  • buffybuffy    277 posts
    The medals on JJs jacket are the National Service medal [nashos] and the Australian Defence Medal.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    TheDiva said:

    Changing the distance of the oaks will not increase field sizes. Just like changing the barrier draws didn't.
    The industry has a much larger problem....it is in decline. That is why you have small fields.

    A point brought up last week was why do 3yo Filly's get 2x goes at a Group 2,400m race, while C&G get only one.
    Idea then that the Oaks drops back to 2,200m to be the female Melvista, and both sexes then progress to the 2,400m Derby.
    Issue then is how do you justify the Oaks being G3 while the Melvista remains Listed (plus disparity in Prize Money).
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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    Perth Cup and WA Oaks distances will not be changed. Decision was made at WA Pattern Committee meeting today
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    a wa pattern committee?
    surely not.

    would not wa make a decision to change, and then have to get the ok(or otherwise) from the national committee?
    they can't make the decision to change(or not) and keep the current status themselves can they?


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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,480 posts

    ^^ my thoughts exactly.

    a pattern committee...who does it consist of?

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    edited July 2017
    Perth Cup and WA Oaks to remain at 2,400 metres

    The distances of two of Western Australia’s oldest thoroughbred races, the TABtouch Perth Cup and
    the Kirin Megumi-WA Oaks, will remain at 2,400 metres following today’s inaugural meeting of the
    Western Australian Pattern Committee (WAPC) at Perth Racing’s Lee-Steere House premises.
    Representatives of Perth Racing, Racing and Wagering Western Australia (RWWA), Thoroughbred
    Breeders Western Australia, the Western Australian Provincial Thoroughbred Racing Association, the
    Western Australian Racehorse Owners Association and the Western Australian Racehorse Trainers
    Association attended today’s meeting to review the submissions of industry stakeholders.
    Perth Racing commissioned RWWA to commence consultation with industry stakeholders regarding
    the TABtouch-Perth Cup distance, specifically reverting to 3,200m nine years after Cats Fun won its
    most recent edition run over two miles. RWWA also used the one-month consultation period to
    canvas opinions about the Kirin Megumi-WA Oaks trip and the autumn’s major fillies races.
    “The TABtouch-Perth Cup is Western Australia’s most iconic thoroughbred race so, naturally, there’s
    been considerable public interest in Perth Racing, through RWWA, asking the industry for its views
    about the event’s distance,” said Professor John Yovich AM, Managing Director of Perth Racing.
    “Perth Racing’s position throughout the consultation process was that there had to be widespread
    industry support for the TABtouch-Perth Cup to revert to 3,200m. That level of support wasn’t there
    and that’s why the WAPC, on which Perth Racing sits, resolved to keep the race at 2,400m.
    “Similarly, the WAPC felt there was insufficient support to warrant any amendments to the fillies
    program for the coming season, although the distances of the Kirin Megumi-WA Oaks and its
    supporting races in the autumn months are something it will review on an ongoing basis.
    “One thing that will change, however, is the date of the TABtouch-Perth Cup, with the $500,000
    Group Two race reverting to its traditional home of New Year’s Day. There’ll be no better place to be
    on Monday 1 January 2018 than Ascot Racecourse watching the 132nd TABtouch-Perth Cup.”
    Media contact
    Mark Worwood
    Racing and Wagering Manager.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,480 posts
    Mark Worwood??? he's new?
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    "inaugural meeting of the Western Australian Pattern Committee"

    that is seriously funny.

    wa might have some nice horses, but they don't have many races these days worthy of black type status.
    maybe the meetings of the esteemed wapc are well catered!
    nothing like a nice 5 course degustation on the house.

    i wonder who the members are.




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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    edited July 2017
    carey said:


    i wonder who the members are.




    Representatives of Perth Racing, Racing and Wagering Western Australia (RWWA), Thoroughbred
    Breeders Western Australia, the Western Australian Provincial Thoroughbred Racing Association, the
    Western Australian Racehorse Owners Association and the Western Australian Racehorse Trainers
    Association
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  • psychopsycho    885 posts
    Tivers said:

    carey said:


    i wonder who the members are.




    Representatives of Perth Racing, Racing and Wagering Western Australia (RWWA), Thoroughbred
    Breeders Western Australia, the Western Australian Provincial Thoroughbred Racing Association, the
    Western Australian Racehorse Owners Association and the Western Australian Racehorse Trainers
    Association
    And the wiggles
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    Tivers said:

    carey said:


    i wonder who the members are.




    Representatives of Perth Racing, Racing and Wagering Western Australia (RWWA), Thoroughbred
    Breeders Western Australia, the Western Australian Provincial Thoroughbred Racing Association, the
    Western Australian Racehorse Owners Association and the Western Australian Racehorse Trainers
    Association

    i wonder what their brief is! :-S
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  • CostanzaCostanza    3 posts
    Good news.
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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    Standard "industry consultation" that produces a predetermined outcome.

    Pretty sure Bob Peters position was a 2400m Perth Cup.

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    https://soundcloud.com/tabradio/july-26-boy-hill-ian-malpass-part-1.

    https://soundcloud.com/tabradio/july-26-boy-hill-ian-malpass-part-2.
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