Caulfield cup tips

Legless · October 2015

Between Snow Sky and Fame Game for me, toss of the coin :-?

HotJules · October 2015

hash said:
notes to take note of the Cup this weekend...
It's one of the strongest Caulfield Cups we've seen in a long time....
Galio Chop is no hope in a Cox Plate, he's not good enough

You should acknowledge your source rather than leave it here as though you made the notes = plagiarism. The source of this information is a fella called Luke Murrell. He is big on Who Shot Thebarman.

Worth listening to his thoughts, here is the link;

http://www.championpicks.com.au/blog/category/betting-360-podcast/

My two cents is Rising Romance, WSTB (following the lead) and Snow Sky who might just do a job on them.

lame · October 2015

hash said:
how do you guys think Fame Game will be ridden from gate 1 as connections or jockey haven't stated anything yet

would like to see him ridden like the best horse in the race out front think he could pants them but think he'll end up 3-4 back on the fence ,maybe try and replicate the ride in the Copa Republica Argentina ( link to the race won't work on this site) only concern is takes awhile to wind up and the straight not long enough/race too short

Vorgtraffic · October 2015

i give wstb no hope. The horse has never been able to achieve peak performances at caulfield (and given this field he would need to) and this isn't even his target race.

hash · October 2015

HotJules said:

hash said:
notes to take note of the Cup this weekend...
It's one of the strongest Caulfield Cups we've seen in a long time....
Galio Chop is no hope in a Cox Plate, he's not good enough

You should acknowledge your source rather than leave it here as though you made the notes = plagiarism. The source of this information is a fella called Luke Murrell. He is big on Who Shot Thebarman.
Worth listening to his thoughts, here is the link;
http://www.championpicks.com.au/blog/category/betting-360-podcast/
My two cents is Rising Romance, WSTB (following the lead) and Snow Sky who might just do a job on them.

acknowledge the source, I know damn well who the source is and the bloke you speak of but I thought it'd be pointless me mentioning that, the guys reading this thread couldn't give a rats and if you bothered to read my other post I did clearly say "my post of points were not my notes but need to be respected, there's a few I agree with and some I don't"

#knob

hash · October 2015

Caulfield Cup preview (Andrew Hannan)

It looks a fantastic edition of the cup with nine horses present (including scratchings) already producing a performance rating >1L above the historical benchmark figure required to win this race. This is a rare occurrence as the runner that usually wins this race produces a PB rating on the day.

Speed Map

Note: this map does include the emergencies in it, so the map will look different come race day.

Although historically this race is run above par speed, considering the large field there isn’t as much speed as previous editions with the longshot Magicool the likely leader if/when the emergency Complacent comes out.

With the 317m run to the first turn there are a few decisions to make for some of the jockeys, in particular Glen Boss on Royal Descent who I expect will take its chances and attempt to quickly cross and park in the first four upon settling.

Fitness and conditioning will also play a key role into some of the runners’ tactics, with the majority of these runners targeting the Melbourne Cup. This is important in particular for the internationals, with some of them likely to be ridden more negatively than their historical patterns abroad.

Our Market:
Mongolian Khan rated $7.26
Who Shot Thebarman $7.80
Rising Romance $8.86
Set Square $10.52
Royal Descent $10.98
Fame Game $11.46
Our Ivanhowe $11.79
Hauraki $13.21
Snow Sky $14.81
Hokko Brave $15.02
Volkstok'n'Barrell $18.87

Significant overlays:
Our Ivanhowe – Had every chance but was bold with 60kg in Bart Cummings. Got the run finally once in the straight and did go well to the post. Already having run at 2520m into this not an ideal pattern historically but he has done a similar thing when running 2400m 2nd up in the Arc and then winning a G1 3rd up at this trip in Munich. Collateral figures in 2400m G1 wins in Germany superb. Should get cover around midfield and compete well.

Who Shot Thebarman – Will be our large result on the race. Ticking over solidly for this. Good last 100m in Turnbull Stakes when settling third last. Was a blanket finish like most WFA G1’s in Melb so far this spring. 4th up last prep was a good 2nd in Sydney Cup when looking home at the 200m. Was an elite rating. 4th up last spring won Bart Cummings which was a weak race but did what he had to do. We know he can stay and is capable of producing a fast time rating which will be required here to win.

Royal Descent - Beaten again by stablemate in G1 when nailed late by Preferment in Turnbull. That now makes is eight G1 placings since 10L G1 Oaks win as a filly. Map is the major query and the main reason you are getting a premium on her price, expect they will take chances and go forward and if she can cross Set Square as soon as possible she will get there. We know she will run honestly.

Rising Romance - Caught wide midfield and still stuck on evenly in Turnbull. Performances prior good including 2nd in Makybe Diva Stakes. 4th up 2400m historically a good pattern into this race. Will exert the least energy to find their desired on pace spot after drawing a much better gate to last start. Was second in this race last year and is capable of running well in it again.

Volkstok’n’barrell and Set Square are also currently small overlays at some betting avenues.

HotJules · October 2015

hash said:

HotJules said:

hash said:

"my post of points were not my notes but need to be respected, there's a few I agree with and some I don't"
"my post of points were not my notes but need to be respected, there's a few I agree with and some I don't"
#knob

and you still failed to acknowledge the work done by someone else. you left them notes like they were yours (as replies showed)...easy to add 'will share these notes from so and so.' and people do care where the information comes from...then they can weigh up the validity of it according to their own criteria and how much bearing they will give it.

respect the source - common practise and courtesy.

vorg I am deterred by wstb's barrier...while others won't be spending a penny in the run.

hash · October 2015

left the notes like they were mine then went on to mention the fact they weren't mine (yeah right makes sense doesn't it) aswell as mention that "there's a few I agree with and some I don't" so that there makes it clear they weren't mine does it not... half if not most of the readers wouldn't have any idea who Luke Murrell is so unless your his lawyer or legal aid please STFU

HotJules · October 2015

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bookielover · October 2015

I note that the track has been given out as a good 3 with the current penetrometer reading at 5.23.

To quote Dave Stanley "I can tell you" that it hasn't rained here in Caulfield at all, unless you consider a few spits rain.

So unless they water tonight or have dumped a heap on it late this afternoon or it pours tomorrow, and that's highly unlikely, the track is going to be like concrete again.

So keep an eye out for that and bet accordingly.

therealkramer · October 2015

@bookielover I wonder if the Fleminton track will be like that for the Melb Cup? Those UK trainers won't be happy X(

squid69 · October 2015

I like Rising Romance from Set Square.

Would love to see Magnapal run a big race for Dean Yendall, my favourite jockey. The miles he travels to ride each year, and the success he has, a first Group One would be a very just reward.

Darrbs · October 2015

Any thoughts on Hauraki fellas?

silky · October 2015

Gust of Wind for mine

Wizard · October 2015

I still have a few:
Hokko Brave
Mongolian Khan
Trip To Paris
Hauraki
Set Square

squid69 · October 2015

Darrbs said:
Any thoughts on Hauraki fellas?

A good mate in my betting syndicate has taken him straight out this week, and he is a pretty good judge. Can't rule him out at all, McDonald riding anything to win of late.

bookielover · October 2015

Track manager decided not to water the the track yesterday or last night or this morning. He put 10 mil on it on Thursday. It would have completely dried out by now.

magoo83 · October 2015

Been watching gust of wind
Will have a little ew
Going better than it looks on paper

hash · October 2015

Darrbs said:
Any thoughts on Hauraki fellas?

4th up as it is today it ran second to Mongolian Khan last prep in the Derby over this trip

looks to be at its peak today and is a must include

Tony Brassel has labelled it a best bet! (very brave)

tony · October 2015

bookielover said:
Track manager decided not to water the the track yesterday or last night or this morning. He put 10 mil on it on Thursday. It would have completely dried out by now.

Glen Boss comments this morning that the track has a kush grass cover and walked perfectly and every horse will have its chance.

Darrbs · October 2015

Yep big fan of J Mac. Love that photo of last years cup when he thinks Rising Romance is going to win and he looks over his shoulder with a stunned look as Admire Rakti steams past him.

bookielover · October 2015

Sun out and shining brightly, Tony.

It will be interesting to see if Boss's assessment is correct.

Vorgtraffic · October 2015

With the way the tracks playing, i cant go past MK

hash · October 2015

well done vorg and everyone else that tipped it

Vorgtraffic · October 2015

Its just impossible to make up ground today off the fence.

hash · October 2015

so your saying the inside is the place to be??

I saw La Passe win the race before and noticed she flew home up on the inside...

Vorgtraffic · October 2015

You have really had to be going on the corner or making runs on the inner part of the track to be a winning chance today. There's a lot of forgive runs going forward coming out of this meeting.

It all started when you saw that Andrioli horse win the first, because there's no way that horse would ever get within 3 lengths of silent sedition on a fair track...

TheFunkster · October 2015

Vorgtraffic said:
Its just impossible to make up ground today off the fence.

That's why the runs of Get The Picture (for Derby) and Fame Game were huge.

Both runs had get me to Flemington and over more ground written all over them.

I'm glad I backed both this morning.

hash · October 2015

Hong Kong based Zac Purton has been called before stewards to explain his ride on Japanese stayer Fame Game in the Caulfield Cup.

Racing Victoria stewards had concerns over Purton's ride from the 800m mark of Saturday's race and his alleged lack of vigour over the final 100m.

Stewards, through an interpreter, questioned Fame Game's trainer Yoshitada Munakata over his instructions to Purton.

Munakata told stewards instructions given were from barrier one to get back, not to go too wide and to ride between horses.

"This horse tries harder between horses," Munakata said.

He said the horse had travelled from Japan to win both the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups.

He told stewards he was happy with Purton's ride after expecting the field to spread out.

Purton told stewards he was taking runs as they presented but was being buffeted by horses.

"I can't go over the top of them, I'm not in a helicopter. I had to wait for the runs."

Asked if he could have moved off the fence earlier, Purton said he would have been pushed wide on the hometurn which was contrary to instructions.

"That's why it's called ride for luck," Purton said.

"I've won a lot of races riding for luck."

Stewards told Munakata the instructions had given them some concern and they would expect Fame Game to be ridden in a similar manner in the Melbourne Cup.

Purton was told they believed he should have attempted to improve earlier than he did and that they had concerns over the way he rode Fame Game out over the last 100m

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-17/fame-game-jockey-trainer-questioned-caulfield-cup/6863342

hash · October 2015

UK trainer Ed Dunlop’s Australian luck could be about to turn in the Melbourne Cup if the sectional times of Caulfield Cup runners are any guide at Flemington on November 3.

Dunlop’s international warhorse Red Cadeaux has finished second in three of his four Melbourne Cup starts while he also chased home Criterion in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes in Sydney earlier this year.

Trip To Paris continued that trend on Saturday when he finished second behind Kiwi galloper Mongolian Khan in the Caulfield Cup giving his trainer, who’s still chasing an Australian feature race win, a fifth second placing in three of our biggest events.

Whilst beaten, Trip To Paris was the star performer in the sectional times of the race, recording the fastest last 1000m, 6000m, 400m and last 200m times of the 18 runners.

The five-year-old son of Champs Elysees was the only horse in the race to break the 35 second barrier for his last 600m, running 34.72 seconds while the Japanese stayer Fame Game was the only horse to get near him over the last 400 and 200 metre splits.

Here is a breakdown of each of the Caulfield Cup runners final 1000, 600, 400 and 200 metre times in the race.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/116595/2015-Caulfield-Cup-sectional-times-for-each-runner?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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