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Has there ever been a minor premier going into an AFL finals series in worse form???

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AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
edited August 2015 Sport
Beat the Dees today by 54 points in perfect conditions at Subi.

Dockers supporters have been carrying on all year like they've already won the flag, I wouldn't exactly be hanging my hat on that performance today fellas.

60 points would have been a bare pass mark and you haven't even reached that mark.

Think you guys might be in for a severe reality check come the finals.

I await the chorus of abuse and derision :)
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited August 2015
    Peel will play Port next week - non event really.
    Wankles will probably throw a 2nds side in against Saints so they don't have to front up to the Hawks and then get SMACKED by the MINOR PREMIERS the following week.

    ........... To Be Continued ........ (in a couple of weeks) ;) :D
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited August 2015
    Wouldn't have thought so but technically the Saints will be playing so they have slim mathematical chance of winning :)
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,949 posts
    edited August 2015
    There is nothing like the comments from an Eagles supporter following a loss, but even more so when the Premier Team in the State records yet another victory. This one to seal the Minor Premiership.

    Andrew you paint yourself as nothing but a fool by opening your mouth on here. Your comments on football are so biased they are worthy of a Ch 7 or West Australian football writer.

    Your team was pathetic today.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Probably not the right week to have a crack at the dockers supporters Andrew...
    On the contrary, all my eags mates have had themselves pencilled in as premiers for a few weeks.
    Dockers are still going average, but so are the Hawks so it's anyone's flag.
    I'm going full bore for Adelaide, after the kangas bomb out
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited August 2015
    On the contrary my comments are actually very realistic, I will go back to my comments which I made after the Port game which at the time was the Eagles best win for ages and it was words to this effect when the Eagles come with the right application and effort they're capable of matching it with virtually anyone, they are a very good team when they play like that.

    They are not a team of champions or a grade superstars ala the current Hawthorn team or Geelong of a few years ago.

    They have several outstanding players but certainly not a team full of them and they have derived substantial improvement from their so called lesser players which they needed from them in order to actually go anywhere.

    At times when they have bought the right mix of effort and application they have played exhilarating, almost irresistible football, however I have always maintained that if they don' t bring sufficient effort and application across the board that they're vulnerable.

    That has happened on just three occasions this year, today, against the Dockers the first time around and against Gold Coast several weeks back, they may have let other games slip but in general even in those games they came to the table with the necessary application and effort and were beaten mostly on their merits in those games.

    Today showed yet again that when the Eagles fail to bring the necessary effort and application they can be exposed but it also illustrated what I've been saying for weeks that the only thing that can stop us from going very close to winning the lot is our list being stretched beyond breaking strain.

    Simpson himself has alluded to this over the past couple of weeks and this is currently occurring, if they can avoid further injuries and get several players back they can be right in the mix provided their level of application and effort is there.

    I have no doubt that if the Dockers reproduced the stunning footy they played earlier this season when their ageing list and top players were fit and healthy that they would win the lot but they're a very long way from that form and their classy veterans who they rely on enormously are far from being fit and healthy.

    Neither is Fyfe their genuine game breaking superstar and it's difficult to see them suddenly regaining anything resembling their early season form under these circumstances.

    The Hawks are vulnerable when teams move the ball swiftly and directly, Port showed that twice this season and the Eagles showed that as well until they blew opportunities and let the Hawks back into the game and we faced them without Naitanui and Sinclair while McGovern went down injured in that vital final quarter.

    Sydney have been stopping and starting all season and their backline is far more vulnerable than in the past, Bulldogs are very young and inexperienced and lack a quality ruckman which really hurts them.

    Richmond lack class in certain areas and tend to still panic under pressure at times but are improving and Adelaide have been inconsistent and are potentially vulnerable down back, so there are major question marks of one form or another over all the major contenders.

    All in all it adds up to what should hopefully be a cracking finals series.
  • fifodynamofifodynamo    243 posts

    There is nothing like the comments from an Eagles supporter following a loss, but even more so when the Premier Team in the State records yet another victory. This one to seal the Minor Premiership.

    Andrew you paint yourself as nothing but a fool by opening your mouth on here. Your comments on football are so biased they are worthy of a Ch 7 or West Australian football writer.

    Your team was pathetic today.

    Or Sunday Times ,, all good for one thing and that is the paper at the bottom of the budgie cage to soak up all the poop !

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts

    Beat the Dees today by 54 points in perfect conditions at Subi.

    Dockers supporters have been carrying on all year like they've already won the flag, I wouldn't exactly be hanging my hat on that performance today fellas.

    60 points would have been a bare pass mark and you haven't even reached that mark.

    Think you guys might be in for a severe reality check come the finals.

    I await the chorus of abuse and derision :)



    Let's play another game has ever been a bigger tosser
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts

    There is nothing like the comments from an Eagles supporter following a loss, but even more so when the Premier Team in the State records yet another victory. This one to seal the Minor Premiership.

    Andrew you paint yourself as nothing but a fool by opening your mouth on here. Your comments on football are so biased they are worthy of a Ch 7 or West Australian football writer.

    Your team was pathetic today.

    He couldn't get a job job channel 7 only that crappy little rag the Sunday Times give him a tiny area to talk rubbish

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    I'm very happy doing the job I love and I am passionate about it, I bounce out of bed to go to work despite horrible traffic on the way in and the way out, you seem a very sad angry individual to me with little better to do.
  • BC4EBC4E    268 posts
    Just for the record, I am a Carlton fan and have been all my life. In saying that, nothing stops me from viewing games from an independent point of view, and as such I give unbiased opinion.

    Get on Freo, just load up as much as you possibly can.

    They have been treading water for weeks now, with Lyon just tinkering with bits and pieces to make sure they are cherry ripe come September.

    The likelihood is they get Sydney week 1, the game will be all over by quarter time, have another week off, then Hawthorn who have played week after week after week in the prelim. They win that as well, then Bang they go in the GF.

    Won't even be a contest.Get as much on them for the flag as you can afford, as well as getting some that you can't afford on them as well.

    Absolute certainties.
  • BlacksAFakeBlacksAFake    2,377 posts
    Could be right BC,u get the feeling they have been cruising.
  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    If Freo have to play Hawks at the MCG they cant win, if they don't they can but they are by no means close to certainties IMO.

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  • NevershowsurpriseNevershowsurprise    995 posts
    Freo wont be winning the flag.

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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Obviously the key is to get hold off at Hawthorn at Subiaco without them having a break making them very vunerable still have fond memories of Dockers towelling up the Hawks in a final at Subiaco Morabito cutting them to bits with some scything runs through the centre.
    Would be funny to run into the Eagles at the MCG after their hard campaign or the Crows after theirs wouldnt be good veiwing for some.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited August 2015
    In my opinion their chances are virtually nil, unless they miraculously recapture their early season form and you don't just turn that on at will.

    Fyfe's injury is far worse than has been released publicly by the club, if he plays and he probably will in week 1 then it will be under duress and there's zero guarantee he'll be available again for however long the Dockers remain in it.

    That's sad because they need him to be fit and firing to be any hope in my book and without him they were hardly impressive against a very poor Melbourne yesterday.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    in third gear, Andrew....or maybe even just on idle.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited August 2015
    THE AFL has given Fremantle the green light to rest up to 11 players from the team that beat Melbourne for the club's round 23 clash with Port Adelaide on Sunday.

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-31/dockers-get-green-light-to-rest-up-to-11-players-in-final-round
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    Must send a heartfelt Thank You ;)) out to the Wankles for the opportunity to freshen up for the Big Dance :D

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  • oldhendooldhendo    783 posts
    edited August 2015
    Congratulations to Fremantle and its supporters on winning the 2015 premiership.

    Ps. Go Pies in 2016.

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  • troopertrooper    681 posts
    Also cant win it with a make shift back line

    Eagles chances are no better unless they get players back.

    Look what happens when the ball comes in with dizeerection and purpose eagles absolutely shown that back line will not hold up.

    Mids have done well keeping the ball from going back and limiting what the back line has had to deal with but im sure a few of the other teams will change that come finals.

    Weekend was just a example of what will happen to eagles in the finals if the backline isnt fixed in my opinion.


    However i feel carter had locked in his mind freo would fumble in the last 2 games due to poor form before eagles would and eagles would win the minor premiership. Shame his players let him down and hes upset. Hahaha

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts

    In my opinion their chances are virtually nil, unless they miraculously recapture their early season form and you don't just turn that on at will.

    Fyfe's injury is far worse than has been released publicly by the club, if he plays and he probably will in week 1 then it will be under duress and there's zero guarantee he'll be available again for however long the Dockers remain in it.

    That's sad because they need him to be fit and firing to be any hope in my book and without him they were hardly impressive against a very poor Melbourne yesterday.

    How on earth would you no how bad Fyfes injury is ? Don't tell me because of your journo links to the media ߘ䠮othing like a guess hey Andrew
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    octavius said:

    If Freo have to play Hawks at the MCG they cant win, if they don't they can but they are by no means close to certainties IMO.

    Can't disagree with that comment on current form we wouldn't and couldn't beat them or The Eagles and Richmond for that matter again based on current form if they do have a card up there sleeve then happy Dayz
  • AquanitaAquanita    566 posts
    I wouldn't worry about Fyfe Andrew I would be more concerned why McGivern spends half of his game time down the race.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited August 2015
    Yeah I really expected Freo to lose to Melbourne who are the dregs of the comp, that's why I tipped Freo to win by 71 points!!!

    Already said for at least the last three weeks that the only thing that will stop the Eagles from going close is their list being stretched to breaking strain and have also said that Simpson has alluded to that for the past two weeks, both statement or words to that effect have been made repeatedly.

    Wellingham's absence and that of Masten and Schofield hurt them on the weekend in saying that though they definitely weren't switched on and I don't think it would have mattered anyway, barring that however Wellingham's absence and the cloud over him hurts as does McGovern's wretched run with injury.

    Schofield will be back this week and McGovern than likely for the Hawks in week one and possibly Wellingham while Butler may return this week and Masten definitely will so barring anything else unforeseen they will be as close to what they've had available for much of the year anyway when they encounter the Hawks at Subi.

    I can assure you that Freo in their current form hold no little to no fears for the Eagles if the can put out anything resembling a decent side should they encounter them during the finals.
  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited August 2015
    Ah why would I know about Fyfe because I have eyes, ( his steep decline in effectiveness since about the midway point of the year has been obvious) and from what I've heard and been told by people who would actually know but hey you'll find out soon enough.

    Shocking bad luck as the guy is an out and out champ and I wouldn't wish that on anyone this time of year.

    Hope he plays and plays well as then you'll have no excuses when your team misses out again unless they lift significantly.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    yeah yeah and if the Hawks lose Rioli, Hodge, Mitchell, Shiels, Breust, Birchall, McEvoy and Puopolo this week for the rest of the year
    and the Swans lose Mitchell, Kennedy, K. Jack, B. Jack, Cunningham, Rohan. Tippet and Franklin

    IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF .....

    Stop taking 2c each way bets AC -

    Simple question - Are you tipping the Wankles to win the flag or not?

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    What can you possibly not understand about we're a huge chance if we can put out anything resembling what we've had available for the majority of the year, if McGovern and Schofield are not available then we can't, if they are yes, Barrass is too young and physically immature to hold down the entire defence.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited August 2015
    It's always - if this , if that, if the stars aligned with the moon - bla bla bla ......

    Its simple really - You are either tipping them or your not., how hard a question is that?


    EDIT - BTW I'm remaining thick and loyal and tipping the MIGHTY Dockers
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Oh I'm sorry, hands up if your team has lost every one of your recognised tall defenders on your list during the season including your two primary ones and that was basically even before the first shots were fired, so yes that as I have repeatedly stated has huge ramifications for us.

    Either way I know which way team is better placed for the future and it isn't your mob.

    Hell if you fail again this year your coach might not even be there anymore, likes to hang around for rebuilds, he's very well known for that isn't he.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited August 2015
    So your talking next year now - this year is 2015, your side will finish anywhere between 2nd and 4th at the end of the H&W and will be part of the 2015 final series.

    I'll take that response as you are NOT tipping the Eagles to win the flag in 2015 then
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