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Three races to hit $1M at Ascot this Summer

West Australian Racing

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    darkshines said:

    I've stopped caring. And that is a sad indictment on management

    i'm with you there brother

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    RIO said:

    darkshines said:

    I've stopped caring. And that is a sad indictment on management

    i'm with you there brother
    i won't feel guilty them for leaving you in the lurch!!

    i have stopped just about everything to do with wa.
    i am sick of having to second guess everything they do.
    so now i am not checking anything.
    all the data is entered as is from now on.
    and i will probably even stop doing that, when i am sure i can do what i am in the process of trying to do.

    that likely means no more posts on a saturday morning in the not too distant future.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    I'm fine mate, if it wasn't for a few tipping groups i'm in i wouldn't be doing any form or having a bet..I've said it before but my turnover has dropped to less than 500/wk.

    So don't feel your letting us down mate................i regularly use your figures for win bets only, and that generally provides a small return.
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited May 2015
    Tivers said:

    The rich get richer, and the rest of us......................well..................struggle along  :)>-

    Just chippin' away @Tivers  - just chippin'away

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited May 2015
    All good here too @carey  ^:)^  - havent been using them as they probably should be :\">

    Have been playing novelties with the top 4-6 particularly if a couple of them are overs :)


    :-? HK racing? - now that WOULD be interesting :D

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    Legless said:

    All good here too @carey  ^:)^  - havent been using them as they probably should be :\">

    Have been playing novelties with the top 4-6 particularly if a couple of them are overs :)


    :-? HK racing? - now that WOULD be interesting :D

    i have done lot of work on hk, but always using other people's data, and not for myself.
    last few weeks i have been checking what's what, and i can't believe how consistently good everything is.
    in fact i have yet to find one single error in their data.
    and then there is the fact that it is obvious that the punters mean everything to them, so they  have SO much information that one can do things with.

    i have been doing nothing but wa for myself since probably the start of the new millenium, and it has taken me this long to realise just how friggen stupid i have been.
    why would you support a place that cares not one fig about the people that provide the turnover?
    and continuously lie by omission?

    and legless, it's ok, you are allowed to say that they were no good, and that's why you didn't use them!!
    :|
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    on the contrary - I have found them to be VERY profitable.

    I'm not a big punter at all and started using them as a bit of a play around. As with all data, it can be interpreted differently - the way I am am using it, works for me ;)

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  • JustanLJustanL    356 posts
    Damien Wyer said:

    Group 1 races in locations around Australia including the Goodwood that Magnifisio traveled for,  was run and won for a total purse of $400,000. Many more are $500,000.

    Does it lessen the race ?

    Well then c'mon that other horse from WA that's racing in the Goodwood tomorrow Black Heart Bart. Good luck to all involved.
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  • thetruththetruth    45 posts
    More money will attract genuine G1 horses from over east and give those races every chance to maintain their G1 status, if middle of the road horses are all you keep attracting then the races will get downgraded for sure. They will all be downgraded to G2 and you'll see 3 fillies and mares races over east go to G1 as the big breeders over east would dictate.

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    well then how did the wfa get g1???

    the fact of the matter is that wa does not have any true g1 races(or very rarely anyway).
    group status is basically irrelevant unless you are a breeder, or are interested in having pretend status.
    then you can get on twitter, and talk up the listed 'so and so stakes' or the g2 'this is a great stakes race' , that is full of 72+ horses max!

    most of the pg races have never been group quality to begin with, and yet they keep their status.
    but this is australia, where bullshit and self  aggrandisement reigns supreme.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,014 posts
    Money almost never attracts genuine quality. This is a myth.

    Time honoured stakes races that loom large on the Australian calendar do. They could run the cox Plate for $1M and it would still get a cracking field.

    What would be far more sensible, but less glamorous for those in charge, is a far higher base level of financial support that would benefit many, including horses that are targeted for the biggest days but don;t for some reason make it there.

    I honestly believe that the administrators of Racing in WA, both at RWWA and Perth Racing, are sadly out of touch with the Industry. By making these races so top heavy in prize money, when supporting races need that same support, just shows that this is more about headlines and people making their kingdoms more powerful, than actually fulfilling their primary roles and working for the Industry as a whole.


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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    No amount of money brings Perth any closer to the Eastern States (logistics)

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    Flight incentives do tho do you think?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    and accommodation?
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  • TSSTSS    1,401 posts
    They should make the WA Cup to be run on WA Day and Perth Cup on 1st January $1 million dollar races. The Winterbottom could be another $1 million race. 

    Karrakatta Plate should be a million dollar race as well with a $100,000 bonus to a WA bred horse winning it.

    That's it. The WA Derby and Oaks should be $500,000 each with a $100,000 bonus to a WA bred horse winning it.

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    930 posts
    No point to these increases unless they sort the Ascot surface out. No man in their right mind would put their top liner through a trip west to race on a concrete surface. That's why we don't get the great horses. Not the $$$.

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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    edited May 2015
    The_Bull said:

    No point to these increases unless they sort the Ascot surface out. No man in their right mind would put their top liner through a trip west to race on a concrete surface. That's why we don't get the great horses. Not the $$$.

    I wouldn't know whether it is a "concrete surface" or not, but I'm sure that's the perception.
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    Tivers said:

    No amount of money brings Perth any closer to the Eastern States (logistics)

    Spot on
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    Amyquil said:


    The_Bull said:

    No point to these increases unless they sort the Ascot surface out. No man in their right mind would put their top liner through a trip west to race on a concrete surface. That's why we don't get the great horses. Not the $$$.

    I wouldn't know whether it is a "concrete surface" or not, but I'm sure that's the perception.
    if it's concrete now, then it's much slower 'concrete' than it used to be!
    a few years back they must have changed policy, and almost overnight, all the races were being run in slower times.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    may be the quality of the things running across of it???

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    It is indeed less concrete now than it was......but as someone above stated - the perception is there.
    Will take time to wash out - pardon the pun.
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  • The_BullThe_Bull    930 posts
    Perception stops ES trainers bringing good horses here?
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  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    edited May 2015
    The_Bull said:

    Perception stops ES trainers bringing good horses here?

    yes, i would say so. What is your perception of eagle farm in June? Wet and a heavy 10 maybe.  Would you take a Dry tracker from WA to QLD if it had the ability but needed a dry track?

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    930 posts
    Yes Dale I would. I've only been in WA 5 years. I lived and worked in QLD for the first part of my racing career. Spent the next 15 in Sydney taking horses to Brisbane for the Carnival. 1 in 4 or 5 racedays will be rain affected over the Brisbane winter carnival. Some years though, are a total mudfest. But running your horse on wet track is not going to jar them up like Ascot does. IMO it's the same problem that Victoria had getting Euro horses to their carnival. The powers that be eventually had to bow to the concerns of Euro trainers and produce more forgiving tracks. Now they're beating them off with a stick. If you have a good horse over east there are any number of options you can take. From my experience WA is the last option.

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    930 posts
    And I'm no nostredamus. Increased reward to risk may well entice a few over east. But IMO the money would be better spent improving the Ascot surface.

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