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  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    edited May 2015
    I wasn't knocking you at all whereamigoingwrong, I personally think it was the fib told to JT that got him hot,he said something I'm sure  he regretted to the pretrainer,but we have done that. Might have even been the day Barakey got rolled at Northam. End of the day they are your horses, reckon he might think one is better than OK ;)

  • whereamigoingwrongwhereamigoingwrong    260 posts
    Hey I now you weren't knocking. Big misunderstanding but you need to talk rather than make poor decisions.
    I have a horse running this week in similar situation. Trainer questioned & he received. Jim never questioned made up his own mind & said fuck it.

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts

    Hey I now you weren't knocking. Big misunderstanding but you need to talk rather than make poor decisions.
    I have a horse running this week in similar situation. Trainer questioned & he received. Jim never questioned made up his own mind & said **** it.




    JT sounds like he needs to chill a bit he lost Bob Peters horses over a jockey booking I'm told Bob told him Pike is the stable rider and he wasn't happy he wanted J Brown on them so basically told him to come move all his horses since then Bob hasn't gone backwards mmmmmm
  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    edited May 2015
    not true Dungy, it was over a horse that was sent to another trainer, as it turned out the horse was not much chop
  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    the horse was Ranger, that JT kicked them all out over. Nothing to do with JBrown riding them
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,950 posts
    edited May 2015


    The 2015 Winterbottom could be an exciting edition of the race.

    The boom youngster Lucky Street was spoken about as being aimed there and Perth Racing usually can attract one maybe two quality horses from the East that hopefully are not at the end of their campaigns. I say all of this because I think Magnifisio did remarkably well in winning last year, but now that she is what she will be, a 6YO mare, I honestly believe her very best is behind her.

    It's not every day that a breeder gets his hands on a maiden Gr 1 mare, Had she been offered at the end of the month on the Gold Coast, she would have brought $600,000 you would think. But it only gets better when you have paid $80,000 for that same mare, collected more than $1.2M along the way, and that with well thought out stallion selections, she could potentially drop yearlings that would make more than $1M total over the first two years on the East Coast.

    Against this background is the risk of a campaign that produces nothing less than another Gr 1 win, because even a couple of lead up wins here in Perth would be neither here nor there.

    So in my opinion, and nothing to do with who is training her, I think it is an enormous risk.

    I wish Vaughn luck with Magnifisio, and Alan continued good fortune.

    As for Jim Taylor, whom I haven't spoken to, he is an outstanding judge, and I don't know if he would have made an impetuous decision with this mare.

    He may just have a replacement good horse anyway.

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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts

    Hey I now you weren't knocking. Big misunderstanding but you need to talk rather than make poor decisions.
    I have a horse running this week in similar situation. Trainer questioned & he received. Jim never questioned made up his own mind & said **** it.

    Sounds like 99% of the world's problems. Put down to poor or miscommunication
  • SHOVHOGSHOVHOG    1,792 posts
    edited May 2015
    I heard jim sacked you because you didn't like one of his facebook statuses. Very reliable source.

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,950 posts
    SHOVHOG said:

    I heard jim sacked you because you didn't like one of his facebook statuses. Very reliable source.

    I have never been employed by Jim Taylor, nor have I ever received any form of gratuity from him, for any horse I have placed there, and there have been a lot. If I was to quickly total it up, horses I have placed with him on behalf of clients have won more than $2.3M and counting.

    Another four have just commenced with him on behalf of my client.

    It's true I don't have the relationship with Jim Taylor that I may once have had, but it makes little difference to me. My client is very happy with Jim, that is all that maters.

    You should really spend more of your time talking to people who may have something worth listening to.


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  • whereamigoingwrongwhereamigoingwrong    260 posts
    Damien I have spoken to a few agents, have been advised to keep racing her, it will not change her value as a broodmare. So who is right ???

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,950 posts

    Damien I have spoken to a few agents, have been advised to keep racing her, it will not change her value as a broodmare. So who is right ???

    Do the people you now talk to treat your money like it is their own ? I think not.

    You have enjoyed a lot of success in recent times in Perth, as a result you will attract your fair share of 'experts' looking for a feed. So if you are wondering who is right in their opinion on any of your stock, why don't you look at the success of the last five years and compare it to the success of the next five years, then you will know precisely the value of the opinions you now receive.

    In respect to Magnifisio, when she won the Winterbottom her value was at 100% as a broodmare. That didn't diminish with her first up failure in Adelaide as the conditions could have been an acceptable reason for her not finishing the race off. Her second race in perfect conditions however, did tarnish her reputation, and this translates into the sales ring both for her and her stock. Mostly because it confirms the true ranking of the Winterbottom win as a weak Gr 1 by national standards.

    If you continue with her racing for another year, and there is no reason not to go a full year, because if you go through to a Winterbottom again the breeding season will be lost in timing. Perhaps this weekends race, the Roma Cup, could be her swansong next year, but it is a nothing race compared to her existing career. But the bottom line is that by racing for another season, you run the risk of her being less than dominating and just being remembered as once having had a very lucky day in a Gr 1, and an even luckier time in the Stewards room following. Her subsequent career st Stud will be crucial as a result, but as I have always understood, all her offspring would be retained by the family, so unless you sell her outright, her value is irrelevant.

    You were not at the sales when I found her and asked you to purchase her, Jim Taylor only looked at her at my invitation, as she wasn't day one stock and he was looking elsewhere. It was only that I insisted that if you wanted a second opinion, then that Trainer shouldn't be forgotten, which is a degree of loyalty I no longer agree to. If owner's want second opinion, they can go find one. Her purchase is  something that with the passage of time, has been conveniently left out of the history of this mare.

    So what would I know ?
  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    edited May 2015
    Are you saying that it was you that put Sam's horses in Jim's stables?

    I hear that the 2 you sourced out for Sam that were at C Wallers ended up at Jims place.1 goes ok the other a goat. I find it hard it hard to believe that you recommended they go there after recommending Magnifiso should be moved last year
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,950 posts
    That is news to me on the two from Chris Waller, so seeing how you know more than me, can you tell me if the goat is the one I bought in Adelaide or the one purchased in Karaka by someone else ?

    Just to be clear, I purchase all of Sam's horses and the majority are with Jim, and one is with Eric Wake.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,950 posts
    To make it easy, the un named Denman filly I purchased. Diretto was the Karaka purchase. Jim also trains Gigante, a $170,000 purchase he made at an Inglis Sale. I believe everything else are my purchases.

    I get my news from the Owner, not the stable, if you gave more info I would love to hear it.
  • whereamigoingwrongwhereamigoingwrong    260 posts
    Damien thanks for your free advice. Three agents informed me that they could achieve between 800k - 1million.
    They said value would not increase or diminish so carry on racing. One offer allowed me do this with a sale to them guaranteed. So it's up to me. Can't understand your other comments. Are you talking credit for my breeding. Heorshe etc get real

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,950 posts

    Damien thanks for your free advice. Three agents informed me that they could achieve between 800k - 1million.
    They said value would not increase or diminish so carry on racing. One offer allowed me do this with a sale to them guaranteed. So it's up to me. Can't understand your other comments. Are you talking credit for my breeding. Heorshe etc get real

    I'm stumped with the Heorshe reference as I can't ever remember mentioning that horse.

    I shouldn't have entered into this public comment.

    Nothing good ever comes of it.

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Ouch it's getting nasty

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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts

    Damien I have spoken to a few agents, have been advised to keep racing her, it will not change her value as a broodmare. So who is right ???

    Of course Damien is right! Just ask him....

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