Belmont Hyperion Day 14th June

Brunswick_cow · June 2014

Just a falcon my only bet for day at price and u wonder y I get pissed off at the place another top class display of how not to ride a horse .

Just for you Mailman the stewards report, I was on it as well, seemed like it wasn't even going to get going but when it did it came home well, next start my friend.

JUST A FALCON (Renee Forrest) – When questioned in relation to the gelding losing contact

with the remainder of the field from the 800m, rider advised that the gelding was left flat footed

when the pace quickened from approaching the 800m necessitating her to ride it vigorously to

make up the lost ground. She further explained that the gelding had been able to make ground

when improving along the rail in the straight. When asked to explain why she had not ridden

the gelding along earlier to make ground, rider explained that she was conscious that putting

pressure on her mount earlier than she did would have impacted its ability to finish the race off

and this was consistent with its general racing pattern. Trainer Mr R. O’Brien agreed with the

remarks of the rider and advised that the gelding was racing today off a six day break between

starts and it was now his intention to race the gelding again in a fortnight over a similar distance

in the metropolitan area.

You should have tipped half the card the way you slam every fav that gets beat in WA or do you just pick a horse out of each race to slam and to bag WA racing?? Should have been you best day for a long time. there is always next week Mailman.

3:-O <):)

Wizard · June 2014

mailman505 said:
If u can show me how to post account stuff I will I don't know how to do that

What account stuff do you mean?

mailman505 · June 2014

Just betting else were so don't get time till late in day the bad rides are far less and its easyer to make money.As for backing favs I back the best horse in race if I think they are value fav means nothing just last week I had 2 bets in perth 1 bled the other sat 4 wide and pulled up with CA.All in one day today I had 1 bet and that's what u cop forgive me for feeling a tad bend over but that's just seems to be the case with the joint at times.If u have a look at the sectional time u will see horse should have gone close to winning given were it finished.To come up with those type of bets takes hard work and long hours maybe that's y I get a tad pissed off when week in week out I am on the end of that kind of stuff.If that makes me seem bitter so be it.Its average and not up to metro riding in my view.Anyone that can defend that type of riding is a lick ass or knows nothing about the game.

mailman505 · June 2014

And while we are at it anyone that does not pull that stable in with the fav in the last with what happens on betfair is not doing their job.And no I did not back it I am making the point u can shoot holes in the place all the time and no one in charge over their seems to want to clean it up.I only had to watch race 2 to confirm what I mean they let that kid into day to let her get her first metro sat winner go back and watch reply how she justt slides over no one kicked up,Gee I wonder y maybe because everyone knows family.Blind freddy can see that.If it had been pike they would have shut that gap in 2 secs and he would have been 3 deep no cover.Makes u want to get a sick bag out and have spew.

Chris · June 2014

Jordan said:
Nice all up this weekend rebel king / sujet / dream lifter (up and comer this bloke really like him) 27/1 :D

Huge effort

mailman505 · June 2014

On another note well done to the young kid today the way she rode looks to have some style.

Wizard · June 2014

Chris said:

Jordan said:
Nice all up this weekend rebel king / sujet / dream lifter (up and comer this bloke really like him) 27/1 :D
Huge effort

Dream Lifter was a very good one!!!

dungy · June 2014

SHOVHOG said:
Just a falcons run/ride was interesting i do agree.

was a disgrace she should cop time with out doubt

dungy · June 2014

H-BOMBER said:
Was up for thousands with On the ropes, have to settle for hundreds

Brad Parnham looked liked a 4kg claiming to put the stick in his left maybe he should go and spend some time with Claitey at jocks school

dungy · June 2014

Im tipping Lucy Warwick to get the bulk of claiming rides for Peters horses reckon young Chris Parnhams days are numbered back to riding for daddy

octavius · June 2014

Hadn't had a bet for a while but Rebel King into Celebrity Miss into Sujet was too easy to ignore.

mailman505 · June 2014

Dungy the thing I don't get is y do some of these good trainers keep putting these riders on do they not want to win money does my head in is it just perth is it to small a place.So many times u do your form and u go this can win then u look at jockey and u cant bet or load up like u want to.I ask the question do some of these trainers run a business do they have to make money.Because were I a sitting they repeat the same mistakes week in week out.Do owners over their just cop it and pay up or ask questions.

Thoroly_Bread · June 2014

Into Elite Belle!!! Woke up to a nice balance

BobbyDavis · June 2014

Classic stuff by the stewards yesterday:
J Whiting gets 13 days suspension.
Reason given for the rather light suspension:
His relatively good record in that he had been suspended in May 2014 and prior to then it had been 2012 sometime.
SORRY LADS BUT THATS NOT A GOOD DETERRENT----- HE LITERALLY JUST CAME BACK FROM SUSPENSION!!!!!
LAST MONTH!!!!

SLIPPERGOLDEN · June 2014

Re Just A Falcon..... Daz Mac raved a fair bit a about the run of a horse that finished SEVENTH and beaten four lengths.

RIO · June 2014

mailman505 said:
Dungy the thing I don't get is y do some of these good trainers keep putting these riders on do they not want to win money does my head in is it just perth is it to small a place.So many times u do your form and u go this can win then u look at jockey and u cant bet or load up like u want to.I ask the question do some of these trainers run a business do they have to make money.Because were I a sitting they repeat the same mistakes week in week out.Do owners over their just cop it and pay up or ask questions.

some do MM, but they get labelled as liars, non payers, hard to manage, 5hit stirrers and constant interferrers...and most of the trainers listen to each others bullshit.

but thankfully there are exceptions to the masses.......or i wouldn't be able to get my horses trained!!!!
;)

Raff_2000 · June 2014

mailman505 said:
To the connections from kal with just a falcon I hope its a long drive back to kal for u might teach u not to put useless jockeys on that cant ride and save us punters from having to watch week in week out displays of riding like that just not up to metro races useless.

I respect your opinion Mailman and I will admit that I didn't bet on the horse so it's a lot easier for me to be making a comment like this, but I still think you are being very harsh on Renee Forrest.

Renee knows the Horse better than anyone, as 3 of the horses 4 wins, have been with her in the saddle. And it's always a risk when you put a new Jockey on board when the horse is having it's first start in the City.

Lucciola, ran the final 600m 35.12, which was the 2nd fastest sectional of the race. Yet that was actually more than half a second slower than J.A.F's sectional which was just a shade over 34.50.

Yes indeed, the Horse did get left flat footed when the pace quickened, but I still think the horse ran a much better race than you are giving the jockey Credit for.

JUST A FALCON (Renee Forrest) – When questioned in relation to the gelding losing contact with the remainder of the field from the 800m, rider advised that the gelding was left flat footed when the pace quickened from approaching the 800m necessitating her to ride it vigorously to make up the lost ground. She further explained that the gelding had been able to make ground when improving along the rail in the straight. When asked to explain why she had not ridden the gelding along earlier to make ground, rider explained that she was conscious that putting pressure on her mount earlier than she did would have impacted its ability to finish the race off and this was consistent with its general racing pattern. Trainer Mr R. O’Brien agreed with the remarks of the rider and advised that the gelding was racing today off a six day break between starts and it was now his intention to race the gelding again in a fortnight over a similar distance in the metropolitan area.

H-BOMBER · June 2014

Will be short next start which will just ensure another good price for Lucciola

mailman505 · June 2014

All fair points raff and u may well be right but for mine it just happens far to much and its the reason y i have cut back my betting in perth u don't know what u are going to get from one week to next.I guess that's just comes with the place the bigger prize money places attract the better riders its just a simple fact of life i guess that's y u get the prices u do some times the rider discount.Its like that horse in race 2 yesterday i thought i was the best bet i have seen in perth for weeks.Then i saw jockey and just could not bet up i have been burned to many times by app but well done to her she rode it well.

MobileLink · June 2014

Mailman yes your right stock to the best jockeys in the east very trustworthy and Honest

Blake Shinn

Damien Oilver

Chris Munce

Oh yeah we can totally trust group one winning jockeys

SHOVHOG · June 2014

Why are you guys quoting the stewards report? Who cares what those incompetent blokes think. I watched Renaes ride 10 times today it wasn't good enough. It could be a good thing because i won't back anything she rides again. Pikes ride on Dark Delight from the barrier was a beauty even though i lost a fortune on the race.

I miss the good old days where Harvey and Pike used to make them all look silly.

mailman505 · June 2014

Thank u shovhog nice hear a person talk some sense for once.

Radman · June 2014

mailman505 said:
Thank u shovhog nice hear a person talk some sense for once.

Hehe, that's coming from mailman.

SHOVHOG · June 2014

Just on Elite Belle think she's lucky that the quality is quite ordinary in perth atm. Shes a nice horse but certainly not a star.

Wizard · June 2014

SHOVHOG said:
Just on Elite Belle think she's lucky that the quality is quite ordinary in perth atm. Shes a nice horse but certainly not a star.

Don't believe it mate - She is something else.

MobileLink · June 2014

Elite Belle spell then get ready for a tilt at the spring carnival shes worth a motza now some black type in group races in Melbourne and she will be worth loads more and she does not have to win

Shes a very game horse who with luck in running would have won a few more

Shes the star of WA right now along with Rebel King

Wizard · June 2014

MobileLink said:
Elite Belle spell then get ready for a tilt at the spring carnival shes worth a motza now some black type in group races in Melbourne and she will be worth loads more and she does not have to win

Shes a very game horse who with luck in running would have won a few more

Shes the star of WA right now along with Rebel King

She's a fighter which can help make her owners a bloody lot - And the people that follower her like me.

SHOVHOG · June 2014

Spring Carnival ?? Would have to be a really weak race.

Jordan · June 2014

I don't rabbit on about horses but if Rebel King stays sound he's the next best thing to come out of WA and no I don't own him did before I sold out :((

Would love to see Carey come back out of retirement and let me know how good he thinks he is

DamienWyer · June 2014

Elite Belle's worth is immaterial. She is owned by a breeder who retains all his black type mares to send to whatever stallions he chooses, including some that he now has a part ownership in. What will ultimately see her go to the breeding barn is the calendar, and if Bob thinks he can do no more with her in real terms, then he won't waste another season. Young black type mares are like gold, he won't over extend her past the 2014-15 season.

Rebel King is an interesting horse. A lot rides on his back, mostly the future success of his sire who is at the moment struggling. He is running around at a time when none of the quality 2yo's are racing, and he faces those horses returning and those horses that have taken a bit of time to mature and will debut as 3yo's. So whilst it is good to see him dominant over these last two months, it's only a 2yo Winter in Perth, nothing more.

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