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SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
edited January 2014 West Australian Racing
Anyone caught up with story on Perthnow in regards to jockey's wanting to receive super payments from the ARB who reckon it's up to the owners to cough up, I thought jockey's are self-employed so they should be liable to pay their own super.

Can someone with more computer experience put the story from Perthnow on here as I think this a very worthwhile topic for all of us to discuss.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    here we go.....hard to understand...they are self employed and  contracted to perform their job????

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/superracing/arb-defends-opinion-that-owners-are-employers-as-hoops-face-battle-in-superannuation-pursuit/story-fnhq6fsq-1226793857672
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Thanks Rio that's what I thought they are basically sub-contractors.
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    :-?   It doesn't say who is deemed to be the employer - seems the ATO will make that decision, until then nothing can be resolved

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  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    edited January 2014
    Doesn't matter if they are a sub-contractor if they work for the same employer for more then 80% of the year they are deemed employees and therefore entitled to Super. Determining who the employer is will be where the problem lies but if they get there cheques from RWWA (no idea there) then you would deem them to be there employer you would think

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    May have shot themselves in the foot -

    "And if we are deemed (by the ATO) to be the employer who must pay the
    superannuation, we will pull out of facilitating their riding fees and
    they can collect their own fees (from owners and/or trainers)."

    They are on a good wicket - turf club pays them and chases the dollars - if this happens they will need an acc receivable dept =))
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    Jordan said:

    Doesn't matter if they are a sub-contractor if they work for the same employer for more then 80% of the year they are deemed employees and therefore entitled to Super. Determining who the employer is will be where the problem lies but if they get there cheques from RWWA (no idea there) then you would deem them to be there employer you would think

    wouldnt be too many that would ride for one person 80% of the time - another can of worms opened
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    geez, my jockey would have no trouble keeping the weight off if he had 80% of his rides on my chaff burners!!!!

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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    May have to start up as a debt collector to help the little guy's get paid =))

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    If the owner is deemed the employer then they would be contractors for sure....they are riding for so many different owners.
    So it's rwwa paying their super, or no one.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited January 2014
    RWWA doesn't employ them..they just do the funds collection for them..it is the owner or trainer on behalf of the owner who actually employs them for each specific ride..

    If it was RWWA they'd just allocate jockey A to horse B and different every week
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Question of super is answered then :D
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    aint that easy???? NOT!!!!!!! not having one single owner who employs them the majority of time has to mean they pay there own....but not according to the ATO??!!!!!??
    8-} :-??
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Owners don't deduct their tax, or give them holiday pay, or maternity leave. I can't possibly see how they would be responsible for their super.
    Same as you don't pay your lawnmower mans super, or your electrician...etc

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    The ATO will make the decision and if need be they will pay for some-one to challenge it in court.

    :-w a while to go yet

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    Super inclusive or not, I actually think their riding fees are a bit steep for some of the rides i have seen recently.... On the other hand i would have no problem putting D Oliver on retainer.
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  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    Who pays there insurance ?

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  • AquanitaAquanita    566 posts
    The owners engage the jockey but it is RWWA that pays them. The owners are not charged the riding fee as I understand it.

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    Do noms ( trial and racing) cover riding fees ?
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    Jordan said:

    Who pays there insurance ?

    http://www.gowgatessport.com.au/jockeys/
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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    testing the memory bank now $60-$90 + any slings
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    at http://www.australianjockeys.org/?q=node/34

    it reads

    Unlike most other elite sportsmen and women, Jockeys are responsible for
    their own Public Liability insurance cover and the AJA will continue to
    work on their behalf to obtain the best terms for the best price.

    it is old info though
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  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    May have to start up as a debt collector to help the little guy's get paid

    have you every seen these guys scrap? pretty sure there woulnd't be too many that don't know how to collect their own debt.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Dale said:

    SPUDLEY said:

    May have to start up as a debt collector to help the little guy's get paid

    have you every seen these guys scrap? pretty sure there woulnd't be too many that don't know how to collect their own debt.

    hahahahahahaha...strap on a pair of knee protectors and let the fun begin!!!!!

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  • PuntingTragicPuntingTragic    1,141 posts
    Jockeys had a fight at the Meeka pub once with some errrr lets say locals

    The errr locals won by a TKO the jockeys headed back to Perth worse for wear all over a game of pool at the commie

    Jockeys can fight ? Yeah right lol

    The late Stahi Katsidis could fight taught by his bro

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Dale said:

    SPUDLEY said:

    May have to start up as a debt collector to help the little guy's get paid

    have you every seen these guys scrap? pretty sure there woulnd't be too many that don't know how to collect their own debt.


    :))   Yeh sqeaky little midgets what a blue that would be
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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Maybe you'd even be in with a chance of landing a few @dungy :-)) :P
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    This could be going to the High Court another story on Racing Network.

    Rio can you perform your magic again please,
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    lets see how that works

    http://www.racingnetwork.com.au/arb-vows-to-fight-retrospective-jockey-super-claim/tabid/83/newsid/17339/default.aspx
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Thanks again Rio.

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  • obrienrbobrienrb    630 posts
    edited January 2014
    I'm self employed....if jockeys get supa I want it too!..that's only fair isn't it?...if they can't save for their retirement on their fat pay packs than what chance do I have?...
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