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Raceday treatment Ranger

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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    I'm all for stopping cheats but this rule needs to have a liberal dose of commonsense applied and promptly as all these so called scandals and the Melbourne Cup incident etc achieve is to cast racing in a poor light to those who don't know any better.  What was administered to Delzangles horse in the cup is so innocuous that it comes under the banner of feed in france. Then again that wouldn't get the stewards and the various officials heads on tv and in the papers now would it...........



    Seems every time there is a trainer under the spotlight you come on here complaining about the rules.

    The rules are the rules. Start another thread if you don't like them. Fact is, there are rules. Every trainer knows about them, but many have complete contempt for them and by extension, us.

    Rodent's correct: the trainers who break the rules, I don't care how minor, are helping their horse, while the others don't.

    And the French trainer who was doing bugger all apparently, was treating an ulcer, yet every other horse with an ulcer didn't.

    You may not like the rule but the point of this thread is that some trainers don't care and many fans of the sport have had a gut full.

    As for the Grant Williams cheer squad, I don't give a shit how wonderful a bloke he is, the fact is he broke the rules and regardless of the substance and the reason for applying it, many on here are unimpressed and I'm one of them.

    Also, Andrew: the stewards are grandstanding are they? It seems to me that if they don't have an inquiry into a clear breach of the rules which has been pretty much admitted to, then why are we paying them?

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts

    in 2011 it was an entirely different stewards action to guest wing. why?

    go figure!

    THAT ws blatant!! and the horse was allowed to start, and win the perth cup.

    go figure...if i was grant williams i'd be throwing that in their face.

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  • PuntingTragicPuntingTragic    1,141 posts
    Bottom line if you don't inform the stewards don't give the effing horse treatments on race day

    You inform the stewards knock your self out tube lube an glue the feckers

    G Williams needs a ban simple as that a message must be sent
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    there just seems to be rules...and rules..if you get my drift.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Falc the rules have been changed since Guest Wing
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Another question will the stewards as part of their investigations look at the amount of money that was placed on Ranger and who by and with what betting agencies.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    Another question will the stewards as part of their investigations look at the amount of money that was placed on Ranger and who by and with what betting agencies.




    I'm a tiny, tiny punter..absolutely miniscule..Diva would confirm that. But i had done my punting that day around my Ranger bets..to have him scratched cost me my whole days punting theory.. Not an issue, shit happens.. (oh and more fool me on that horse) But i feel that would need to be looked in as much as anythign else. I'd assume it will be investigated to see if any individual or known groups of individuals had a benefit in Ranger not being in the race.

    I hope they just dont look at the betting on Ranger, but try to tie that into the betting off Ranger. Big ask, but you'd assume that it would at least be considered to see if there was a benefit to anyone.

    As for me..i jsut found a new way for Ranger to suck the money out of my wallet!!!!

    L-)

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  • PuntingTragicPuntingTragic    1,141 posts
    Tarnished a good day Ranger an the Farce of Buffering knocking down spirit then keeps the race no stewards protest on behalf of the punters who backed Spirit then they fine D Brown 5 k an give him a month that is a total farce given the ridiculous He's Remarkable DQ

    All we want as punters is consistent stewards they are not
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  • tonytony    2,438 posts
    edited November 2013
    From Bensley
    Williams fined $3300.

    P.Dyson case adjourned. Grant
    Williams pleaded guilty to negligence that he did not instruct staff not
    to administer any raceday treatment
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  • Aussiereds72Aussiereds72    601 posts
    How weak is that
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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    edited November 2013
    Pretty much what could be expected. Is that $3000 +GST =$3300, or is it GST ontop on the $3300?
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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    all it deserved glad the hysteria is over ~:>
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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    Fastmoney said:

    The report says it was applied to the mouth and nostrils.

    I would think it should be applied around the eyes if flies were a problem.

    Thats why you have fly veils.

    Numerous runners on the day and only applied to Ranger.

    If the explanation is something else that is fine but the fly repellant scenario supporters aren`t helping the case.

    =)) =)) =))  good on ya!!
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Friday, 29 November 2013
    MEDIA RELEASE
    Thoroughbred – CARLTON DRAUGHT-RAILWAY STAKES – WITHDRAWAL OF RANGER
    RWWA Stewards today conducted an inquiry into a report made by RWWA Investigator Mr. G. Johnson in regard to the application of a substance from a bottle labelled as Vanilla Essence to the nostrils and mouth region of RANGER prior to its engagement in Race 8 the Carlton Draught-Railway Stakes by Mr Paul Dyson resulting in it being withdrawn from the race.
    Evidence was heard from: RWWA Principal Investigator Mr P. O’Reilly RWWA Investigator Mr G. Johnson. RWWA Industry Veterinarian Dr. J. Medd ChemCentre Analyst Mr C. Russo Trainer of RANGER Mr G. Williams Stable foreperson Mrs A. Williams Stable employee Mr P Dyson Stable employee. Ms L. D’Silva.
    The ChemCentre report presented by Mr Russo confirmed that following analysis, the contents of the bottle seized by the Stewards on the day was Vanilla Essence as described by the manufacturer. The evidence further indicated that Mr Dyson had brought the bottle with him to the racecourse and applied the substance to his hands in the stall area before proceeding to apply it to RANGER by rubbing his hands on the geldings nose and muzzle area.
    Stable employee Mr P. Dyson subsequently pleaded guilty to a charge under AR.178E(1) which states:
    AR.178E.
    (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of AR.178C(2), no person without the permission of the Stewards may administer or cause to be administered any medication to a horse on race day prior to such horse running in a race.
    Medication being defined under the Australian Rules of Racing as meaning “any treatment with drugs or other substances”.
    The particulars being that he had administered medication, with that medication being the substance Vanilla Essence to RANGER prior to it running in the race in question.
    After hearing submissions, the matter was adjourned in order for Stewards to deliberate upon and determine an appropriate penalty.
    Trainer Mr G. Williams pleaded guilty to a charge of negligence under AR.175(k) with the particulars of the charge being that he had failed, as instructed in the letter from Stewards dated 19 November 2013, to specifically instruct his staff member and employee, Mr P. Dyson not to administer any medications on race day that would breach the provisions of AR.178E and was subsequently fined the sum of $3,000 for this offence.
    In determining penalty Stewards took into account: Mr Williams’ guilty plea and acknowledgement of the offence His good record over 20 years involvement in the industry Penalties issued to trainers in past cases, both locally and nationally, related to rules in relation to race day treatments and trainer’s responsibilities. That on the evidence before the Stewards the application of Vanilla Essence to RANGER as described, was done in his absence by someone other than himself in the stall area of the races without his prior awareness, knowledge, authority or consent.
    Media Contact: Brad Lewis – Chief Steward Thoroughbreds Ph: 9445 5420 brad.lewis@rwwa.com.au
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    I'm sure there will now be a queue of people lining up on here to apologise to Grant Williams for falsely impugning his character and pigs mighty fly too.

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  • bradybrady    1,463 posts
    Why give the horse Vanilla Essence ?
    To stop the flies what a load of crap !
    The real reason is old School only known by a few
    Believe they used to use Vic's vapour rub ?

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts

    Yeah I doubt it Andrew, they are so quick to shoot from the hip.

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    brady said:

    Why give the horse Vanilla Essence ? To stop the flies what a load of crap ! The real reason is old School only known by a few Believe they used to use Vic's vapour rub ?

    let it go brady you are simply wrong again!
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Please elaborate Brady for all those who don't know that without any factual basis you're again suggesting that they're cheating, I know what you're talking about though so why don't you have the guts to put your money where your mouth is.

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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    Probably about the right penalty - end of the day, he lost out big by the horse not being allowed to run on the day.

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    Give me a break if anyone believes he didn't know you have to be kidding yourself, and I'm sure the stable hand involved was sacked =))

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  • bradybrady    1,463 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    Please elaborate Brady for all those who don't know that without any factual basis you're again suggesting that they're cheating, I know what you're talking about though so why don't you have the guts to put your money where your mouth is.

    That was quick Andrew you're like and energizer bunny ?

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts

    Not always a conspiracy bone head

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited November 2013
    Why would you apply VE to a horses mouth and nostrils :-?   have asked around and no-one I know has heard of it being used a fly deterrent for horses on raceday in the stall area as was hypothetically suggested here on this thread.
    Seems there are still are lot of questions either not asked or not answered

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    legless is also freindless

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    So tell me if I am wrong but this is how it sounds to me the official story.

    The stable hand think well the flys might be bad at the races today so I'll take some vanilla Essenes with me because I have no idea that you can't treat a horse on race day and I'll just apply it to ranger a group one runner with no knowledge of any senior members of the stable... That sounds like a good idea I should get a pay rise for this???

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    genius you really are a blue blood!
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  • RodentRodent    7,483 posts
    Poor Mr. Dyson......if only he'd been told by Mr. Williams that raceday treatment is illegal. I'm assuming Mr. Dyson was on the S.S. Minnow with Gilligan and co and has only recently been rescued. That would explain the need for Mr. Williams to inform him.

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited November 2013
    theketaminekid said:

    legless is also freindless

    not sure what you mean tktk

    If you have heard of VE being applied as a fly deterrent for horses on raceday in the stall area- you would be the 1st Ive come across.

    But maybe you are correct - maybe I am friendless and dont socialise enough -  so I'll throw it out there -

    Prior to this thread has anyone here heard of VE being applied to a horses mouth and nostrils as a fly deterrent on raceday in the stall area ??

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,348 posts
    theketaminekid said:

    genius you really are a blue blood!

    Well what is you scenario?
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