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PCPC    2,265 posts
edited September 2013 West Australian Racing

Hi all,

 

This question is for those who have been around a lot longer then me. I am doing a write about the Group 3 JRA Cup, however it was once called the Geoff Madden Handicap. The JRA Cup is a race run on Friday night, on AFL Grand Final even. In fact it's due to run next Friday night at Moonee Valley.

 

However there was a WA horse called The Hippogriff who won the 1990 Bunbury Cup.

he 1991 Geoff Madden Handicap (now JRA Cup) was won by a WA horse called THE HIPPOGRIFF, who was on the Cups trail in Melbourne that spring.  

He
was by Balmerino and won heaps of those 2200m races in WA, including
the 1990 Bunbury Cup. 
He came to Melbourne in the Spring of 1991 as a 7yo.   He was runner up
at Flemington over 2000m, then with Greg Childs aboard he won the Geoff
Madden Hcp over 2029m at the Valley at 10-1 beating RASHEEK (who would
later win the SAAB (Hotham Handicap) on Derby Day).  THE HIPPOGRIFF then failed in the
Herbert Power Hcp over 2400m before running a massive race to run 2nd
(beaten only a head) by AL MAHEB in the Moonee Valley Cup over 2600m.  I
think he may have been injured after the MV Cup & as a result WA
did not have a representative in the 1991 Melbourne Cup field.

That
was THE HIPPOGRIFF's only venture to the east coast.  He returned to
WA, had another 6 starts in Perth and retired after a 3rd place in the
Listed WA Premiers Cup over 2400m in Oct 1992.

Any more info on this horse?

 

Cheers,

PC.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,483 posts

    isn't that some mystical creature part eagle and part horse? hippo meaning greek for horse..eg hippodrome.

    think ron franklin rode it..handy animal.

    PLEASE don't tell us you want a race named after him....

    >:P

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  • PCPC    2,265 posts
    the falcon said:

    isn't that some mystical creature part eagle and part horse? hippo meaning greek for horse..eg hippodrome.

    think ron franklin rode it..handy animal.

    PLEASE don't tell us you want a race named after him....

    >:P



    Go and read what I said. I make NO MENTION about the horse getting a race named after him.

     

    I said I am doing a write up which I will present on this forum next week in regards to the JRA Cup because it has been a good guide to horses going on better things during the spring carnival and beyond.

     

    All will be revealed next week.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,483 posts
    i am rivetted!!!
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  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    or part Falcon part pony ?   The Hippogriff was trained by the kiwi Gary martin 
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  • lamelame    1,757 posts

    The Hippogriff (NZ) 1984


    • Exported: -
    • Death: -
    • Family: 5
    • DNA Typed: N
    • PV:
    • BT:
    • Microchip: None
    • Life no: None
    • Left shoulder: S IN A CIRCLE
    • Right shoulder: 2 OVER 4
    • Breeder: C C White
    • Foaling date: -

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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    edited September 2013

    NZ stats possibly before coming to W.A

    The Hippogriff (NZ) 1984

    Trainer: Mark Sullivan / Takanini


    image

    Race info




    Horse Details

    29 Bay Horse

    • Owner: C C White
    • Breeder: C C White

    Recent starts
    • 6386X







    Career stats


     All1st2nd3rd4th5thUPrizemoney
    Career6001005$300.00
    1987/886001005$300.00
             
    Good5001004$300.00
    Heavy1000001$0.00

    1100 - 1299m1000001$0.00
    1300 - 1499m2000002$0.00
    1500 - 1799m3001002$300.00

    Flat6001005$300.00





























    8-16 11 Dec 87 1600m 
    		  $5,000
    WAIK  Good MDN
    		Shane Treweek $0
    • 1.36.16, Flat

    • Bar: 
    • SP: $0.00
    • Rtg: 
    • Wgt: 55.0
    • Car: 55.0
    • LWD: 55.0
    • 1: Chigarow, 53.5
    • 2: Noble Duty, 55.3
    • SHORT NECK:HEAD





















    3-15 28 Nov 87 1600m 
    		  $3,000
    EBOP  Good MDN
    		Shane Treweek $300
    • 1.37.39, Flat

    • Bar: 
    • SP: $0.00
    • Rtg: 
    • Wgt: 55.0
    • Car: 55.5
    • LWD: 55.0
    • 1: Wave Breaker, 56.0
    • 2: Strike It Willie, 55.3
    • 1/2 LEN:1 LEN





















    6-14 13 Nov 87 1400m 
    		  $5,500
    AVON  Good MDN
    		Shane Treweek $0
    • 1.24.26, Flat

    • Bar: 
    • SP: $0.00
    • Rtg: 
    • Wgt: 55.0
    • Car: 55.0
    • LWD: 55.0
    • 1: Sovereign Seal, 55.3
    • 2: Boaster, 55.3
    • HEAD:2 LEN





















    13-15 16 Sep 87 1400m 
    		  $45,000
    HAWK  Good 3YO
    		Shane Treweek $0
    • 1.22.58, Flat

    • Bar: 
    • SP: $0.00
    • Rtg: 
    • Wgt: 55.0
    • Car: 55.0
    • LWD: 53.0
    • 1: Mr Tiz (AUS), 55.0
    • 2: Festal (AUS), 55.0
    • 1/2 NECK:3/4 LEN
















    11-16 29 Aug 87 1200m 
    		  $5,500
    AVON  Heavy MDN
    		Shane Treweek $0
    • 1.15.84, Flat

    • Bar: 
    • SP: $0.00
    • Rtg: 
    • Wgt: 55.0
    • Car: 55.0
    • LWD: 55.0
    • 1: Seven Diamonds, 55.0
    • 2: Call My Bluff, 55.0
    • LONG NECK:3 1/4 LEN

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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    edited September 2013
    poppa's gold breeding history
    1974     28/08/74     ch     filly     Poppina     Zamazaan (FR)    Dr J T O'Brien
    1975     -     br     colt     Kankama     Skyhawk II (GB)    Dr J J Sullivan & N J Taylor
    1976     -     -     -     (missed)     -     
    1977     -     -     -     (missed)     -     
    1978     -     ch     colt     Heist, [aus] My Heist     Bardall    N J Taylor
    1979     -     -     -     (slipped)     -   
    1980     -     ch     colt     The Banana Man     Great Wall (GB)    Mrs A A Sullivan & N J Taylor
    1981     -     ch     colt     [aus] Balgold     Balmerino    C C White
    1982     -     -     -     (missed)     -     
    1983     -     ch     colt     Rabican     Balmerino    "
    1984     -     b     colt     The Hippogriff     Balmerino    "
    1985     20/11/85     ch     colt     D'orozam     Zamazaan (FR)    "
    1986     -     ch     colt     [aus] Za'Aurum     Zamazaan (FR)    "
    1987     07/12/87     b     filly     Gull Mundur     Icelandic (IRE)    "
    1988     28/11/88     ch     colt     Slainte     One Pound Sterling (GB)    "
    1989     -     -     -     (missed)     Indian Ore (USA)     
    1990     13/10/90     b     filly     Tiercelle     Skyhawk II (GB)    "
    1991     28/11/91     b     colt     Unnamed     Take Your Partner (AUS)    "
    1992     -     -     -     (missed)     Balmerino     
    1993     -     -     -     (missed)     McGinty     
    1994     -     -     -     (missed)     Before Breakfast (AUS)     
    1995     -     -     -     -     Before Breakfast (AUS)    "
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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    THE HIPPOGRIFF (NZ) b. G, 1984 DP = 2-0-4-0-0 (6) DI = 2.00   CD = 0.67 - 49 Starts, 11 Wins, 9 Places, 5 Shows Career Earnings: A$260,454
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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    edited September 2013
    THE HIPPOGRIFF(Balmerino). 11 wins from
    1600m to 2200m, NZ$300, A$260,215, Bunbury Cup,
    Gr.3    , WATC Ascot Gold Cup,
    L    , 2d Moonee Valley Cup,
    Gr.2    , 3d WATC CB Cox S.,
    Gr.2    , ATA S.,
    L    , Premier's Cup,
    L    , Pinjarra Cup,
    L    , 4th Pinjarra RC Millionaire Sires'
    S.,
    Gr.3    .
    w.a stakes results
        1990    C.B. COX STAKES    G2    IDEAL CENTREMAN    13-a    2400M    POLAR ECLIPSE     THE HIPPOGRIFF    2:29.5         
    1990    BUNBURY CUP    G3    THE HIPPOGRIFF    5-e    2200M    LORD STERLING     PREMIERE PRINCE              
    1990    ASCOT GOLD CUP         THE HIPPOGRIFF    5-e    2200M               2:14.47         
    1989    PINJARRA CUP         THE SUN    21-a    2150M    NORMS DELIGHT     THE HIPPOGRIFF        
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Good horse had  lot of problems but had stack of ability. Think there's another stablemate around about the same time which also showed a heap Balgold or something like that?
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  • TorpedoPuntTorpedoPunt    1,891 posts
    Very good horse.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    Andrew, it wasn't Balgold. She was a Fimiston mare that was with John McNair in Gosford - she was racing much later than 1991. Won quite a few races as well, mainly provincial as I recall, in the early 2000's.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited September 2013
    No I just looked up  the breeding of the Hippogriff who is a half to the Australian derby winner Kankama the horse I was thinking of is Poppa's Gold the dam of hippogriff etc. I know though that garry martin had another good one around about the same time
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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    edited September 2013
    just need to look at the offspring above . The Hippogriff had a full brother named Balgold 1981
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    I knew I wasn't going mad I thought it was called Balgold but its not listed in the australian studbook but it is in the nz studbook, maybe that's one that somehow fell through the cracks in the system. Its an older full brother and it was very smart as well.

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    30st 8 wins and 5 placings think it had problems as well if I remember correctly. Glad to see I'm not going crazy after all, it debuted in 1986 according to cris.
    On the other hand the fimiston mare balgold didn't debut until 2001 and had 77 starts for 8 wins and 17 placings and wasn;t in the same street ability wise as the original balgold.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    strange one it's definitely not listed in our studbook which was what threw me in the first place.
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  • ShergarShergar    43 posts
    If foaled in NZ it would not appear in the ASB unless it eventually went to stud in Australia.
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    The old "two horses with the same name" trick - my apologies. I do wish they wouldn't allow repeat names.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Gary Martin had a very smart mare Abinadab (not sure of spelling)
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Hippo winning the Bunbury Cup

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    It has aus listed in front of its name and that's rubbish anyway Shergar because I look up nz horses all the time in the australian studbook and they're always there. It's one that has somehow slipped through to the keeper.

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  • PandoraPandora    225 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    It has aus listed in front of its name and that's rubbish anyway Shergar because I look up nz horses all the time in the australian studbook and they're always there. It's one that has somehow slipped through to the keeper.



    Wrong, if it was Aus bred it would be after its name. NZ bred horses are seen in the ASB all the time but that means they are active in Australia.

    Shergar's knowledge of breeding would play you on a break!!!!

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  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    ...just another case of A Carter - highjacking and misdirecting a good thread - to the extent that posters shy away! 


    actually  I have spotted some beaut spelling mistakes for the said "journalist" !

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