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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
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  • JayJayJayJay    8,623 posts
    3 blind mice?? Like it. Image didn't appear.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    hadn't seen that either bomber, cos she fell in..good judgement or what?????he has copped a few hefty fines and holidays over the years but i reckon the blind freddies seem to say every 10th ride we will nab him..
    %-(
  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    ...yeah I missed that in the last, was too busy watching True Gold be "unlucky" first up.
  • BrubakerBrubaker    219 posts
    edited July 2013
    raconteur said:


    Hey Tesste's  The MRW is a grand invention first developed in  WA mid '90s -  you are the one being ridiculous  if you don't avail this information and blindly believe that all apprentices will / can claim their full allowance.

     

    More fool you !!! IMO

     

    Shouldn't need MRW. I was under the impression that apprentices were required to claim their full allowance. It's not as if its like some country meets where there is not enough jocks!


     

  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    gone are the days every apprentice weighed 5 stone dripping wet....

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  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    Bru' nah that's not right - that is why there is the MRW !!! to help you!
  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    They do have to claim their full allowance when the allowance brings their weight to above their MRW.  If it takes them under their MRW, they can only claim a portion to bring them down to their MRW

    In that case, it up to the trainer/connections to try and take full advantage of a claiming apprentice.

    This incident showed that the extra 1.5kgs that Malaika carried (which it didn't have to), probably cost it winning - but that is debatable also. 
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    So when Pateman stuffs up on an each way chance a whole thread is created and given free rein, but when the wunderkid gets done twice on Elite Belle once as an odds-on chance, any criticism is deleted? =;
  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    ...fair point Semi, but why was it deleted?
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    raconteur said:

    ...fair point Semi, but why was it deleted?

    Apparently I have something against Parnham? I don't think my posts were personal or defamatory in any way. All I said was they were two poor rides and I don't think anyone could argue against that. Shielding the kid from criticism, and heaping praise on him will just give him a big head. When he loses his claim he will need to be able to judge tempo better than he is right now.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    two rides do not make or break a hoop...but negative comments can seriously affect peoples personal well being, He was a 3kg claiming apprentice at the time,,,the inconsistencies of apprentices is both expected and tolerated, but unless it is the majority of their rides i personally dont feel they need to be discussed in any public forum..
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    RIO said:

    two rides do not make or break a hoop...but negative comments can seriously affect peoples personal well being, He was a 3kg claiming apprentice at the time,,,the inconsistencies of apprentices is both expected and tolerated, but unless it is the majority of their rides i personally dont feel they need to be discussed in any public forum..

    He'd better get used to criticism if he wants to be a jockey. Like an actor and rejection it comes with the territory.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    when justified most definitely...when a 3kg claimer with less than 6 months race riding experience..not warranted
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    RIO said:

    when justified most definitely...when a 3kg claimer with less than 6 months race riding experience..not warranted



    Well maybe going the early crow regarding his ability is not warranted either?

    I questioned the logic of putting on a claimer, given her racing pattern the first time he rode Elite Belle and i posted those thoughts on here.

  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited July 2013
    2 rides...you seem to miss that apprentices can pharque up..about 70 other rides got the chockies in the past 4 months..same horse twice????, maybe it doesn't run for him...wouldn't be the first time that happened..

    Great riding future if he keeps going the way he is going
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited July 2013
    Semi u potted the ride, and it wasn't a bad ride, but as soon as this kid beat on something you think he tore it up
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    edited July 2013
    RIO said:

    2 rides...you seem to miss that apprentices can pharque up..about 70 other rides got the chockies in the past 4 months..same horse twice????, maybe it doesn't run for him...wouldn't be the first time that happened..

    Great riding future if he keeps going the way he is going


    I used to be a pretty quick bowler(or so I thought) back in the day....that was until they made me 1st change(with the shine off the new ball) and then I found out how quick i really was. Apprentices riding winners by using their claims to put their mounts up on the pace flatters their ability somewhat. Just my opinion. Elite Belle is a backmarker, so unless he uses his claim to settle somewhere closer than he did on wednesday, the 2kg is irrelevant. It won't make the mare sprint any quicker. When We Were Kings sprinted about the same last 600m when EB was 2nd up over 1400m-with 3.5kg more and they eyeballed each other in the run. EB was never going to win on wednesday from where she was once he(Parnham) took a sit at the back of the field. It was as good as over when they passed the finishing post the first time round.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    EB has been ridden forward twice in it's raciug career. Once it held it's spot, the other time it faded badly...Are you suggesting that an apprentice takes it upon hmself to ride the horse differently to how it has been successful??  Now that would be a bad ride..he missed by a short neck on Wednesday?!?!?!?
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts

    RIO said:

    2 rides...you seem to miss that apprentices can pharque up..about 70 other rides got the chockies in the past 4 months..same horse twice????, maybe it doesn't run for him...wouldn't be the first time that happened..

    Great riding future if he keeps going the way he is going


    I used to be a pretty quick bowler(or so I thought) back in the day....that was until they made me 1st change(with the shine off the new ball) and then I found out how quick i really was. Apprentices riding winners by using their claims to put their mounts up on the pace flatters their ability somewhat. Just my opinion. Elite Belle is a backmarker, so unless he uses his claim to settle somewhere closer than he did on wednesday, the 2kg is irrelevant. It won't make the mare sprint any quicker. When We Were Kings sprinted about the same last 600m when EB was 2nd up over 1400m-with 3.5kg more and they eyeballed each other in the run. EB was never going to win on wednesday from where she was once he took a sit at the back of the field. It was as good as over when they passed the finishing post the first time round.
    RIO said:

    EB has been ridden forward twice in it's raciug career. Once it held it's spot, the other time it faded badly...Are you suggesting that an apprentice takes it upon hmself to ride the horse differently to how it has been successful??  Now that would be a bad ride..he missed by a short neck on Wednesday?!?!?!?


    Has the horse been successful with him riding? It takes an experienced jockey and a good judge of pace for a backmarker to win a race like last wednesday. Here the trainer is just as much at fault and you have to wonder how serious they were about winning? I notice Wolfe replaced SOD with McGruddy after the last ballsup on Mr. Utopia.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    crazy thought...like really crazy..any chance the owner and trainer were happy with the runs??? Knowing that, that is what she is
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    edited July 2013
    RIO said:

    crazy thought...like really crazy..any chance the owner and trainer were happy with the runs??? Knowing that, that is what she is


    She's a saturday class horse.What was she doing running on Wednesday for $20k ? Even with the 2kg off her 59.5kg impost. I suppose you have to put a few races on for the bookies-and let's face it at $1.65 they would have "opened their shoulders"as Tom Waterhouse would say.  Putting a senior jockey on would have been a smarter move. As I said if she sits back last the claim is useless, he needed to be rolling sooner than he was-she's sprinted quickly and peaked on her run.
  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    Semi pro

    Forget about his ride on Elite Belle.

    If your not going to back horses because Chris Parnham is riding you`re going to miss a lot of winners.

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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    edited July 2013
    Fastmoney said:

    Semi pro

    Forget about his ride on Elite Belle.

    If your not going to back horses because Chris Parnham is riding you`re going to miss a lot of winners.

    He'll learn more from the Elite Belle ride than he will from the three on-pace winners today. Tommy Berry spoke on Racing Retro after winning the Doncaster, how he was conscious of not becoming one-dimensional as Gai likes all her horses ridden on the speed. He was an immediate success in HK with trainers and punters alike.
  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    His ride in the last was a beauty which belies his age give credit when credits due Semi !
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    Jordan said:

    His ride in the last was a beauty which belies his age give credit when credits due Semi !


    I already have. I said good on him for riding a treble.
  • raconteurraconteur    610 posts
    edited July 2013

    ...Semi - if  you take a line through K Yuill who was the last WA "up and coming " app....CP is a furlong ahead already

    PS have a look at the ride of Alex Hern on Magnificent Pair ( great name - its out of Maewest !) in race 7 belmont on wednesday - rail at 15 metres - drew 15 - led and kept going with minimal whip - Now that is a  good ride.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    So what other apprentice, 6 or 7 months in the saddle are you comparing him too???? isn't Tommy B a jockey, and hasn't Chad Schofiled out ridden his claim?? Are you really comparing his riding skills to them????
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    it was always McGruddys ride
  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    raconteur said:

    ...Semi - if  you take a line through K Yuill who was the last WA "up and coming " app....CP is a furlong ahead already


    That may be so, but the other side of riding winners is you lose your claim and then you don't get the rides on the higher weighted horses and it's harder to ride them all from the front. You may disagree with me, but this is a forum and any decent forum welcomes a variety of ideas, not just everyone singing from the same hymn sheet.
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