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If a breeder is relying on a stallion to upgrade their mare, they should get rid of it. Breeders should have confidence that they can send their mare to any stallion and produce a nice horse on type. If it is known prior to breeding that a mare was a bad eater, drinker and had various issues, regardless of its breeding page, a horse of such should not go to stud. Seeing as fewer of our stallions are now classed as being "not commercial" but are commanding high fees, good mares are dissapearing over east because the deals being offered on proven stallions are far more competitive.
i do like the idea of a 2yo breeze up or ready to run sale as a few good ones would come out of it and change the mentality a bit as well as support the other sales with people looking at buying weanlings,yearling with a view to on sell in a 2yo sale where at the moment people think if a yearling isn't in the yearling sale then it has some thing wrong with it or wasn't good enough for it ,with a 2yo sale it would create a new market for weanlings and yearling with a view to on sell as well as getting the interest back from the oversea's markets as well?
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What the people who attempt to breed any horse over here should really do is think commercially with every mating planned that is if they plan to sell which means any mare that is not black-type should be questioned as being commercially viable. A lot of mares currently being bred from just are not worth it, if we want compete with the studs over east breeders here need to be a bit ruthless I even include myself in this.
(And only one of those four was from Gold Coast)
To be serious for a change i said it before but i have no idea on how to judge weanlings..good fortune to you if you can.
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with some of the new ones standing here this year they should get used to fetching $300 in the sales ring
But I am trying to, with others, get WA Breeders to come shopping next month on the Gold Coast and bring home some medium quality mares that will bolster local ranks heading towards premier sales in the years ahead.
I think we just need to address the problem head on.
re: breeders association . was that a fall out with mm?? a few years ago when mm were spruking oratorio and the breeders called a big meeting ect bit before my time but remember a little or was that something else
the 80s was interesting when dempster and co tipped a fair amount into buying quality race fillies with pedigree and then breeding from them. even if the foals were not put thru the sales, the pedigrees eventually made their way into sales rings and we had some quality for years to come. now those mares are 3rd/4th dam and things are looking very very weak on the page come sales tme.
considering the bigger players with some cash around this joint, they should be looking at quality not quantity... that will get your asian buyers here again
everyone in this aspect of the industry should be thinking along the same line, be proactive and encourage QUALITY.....
If we get quality broodmares we are still taking another couple of years to get ourselves sorted. As an owner i'd be close to suggesting that the reaction that you talk about is getting to be too little too late. it has been better to go east and get quality for the past 2-3 years. it is now affordable for most buyers to do that.
Any changes (broodmare stock) that come through now will only get on the tailcoats of that trend. The breeders have a long struggle to get quality back into the local breeding market. And one that will take years to re-establish. IMO..as a buyer.
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Existing producers have to address herd quality and set the precedence as responsible livestock producers. The TB breeders Assoc are on the job with their upcoming R&D Levy seminars and submission process, however the industry needs also to address long term sustainability of the product. Production,R&D, retailers such as MM &RWWA are all established components that make up this amazing industry..the next step is to assist the industry in setting up a nationally recognised product wastage program, to ensure animal welfare is adhered to and industry participants have recognised and structured wastage pathways.....
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crappy bulls and mares ultimately lead to a problem, especially if there is no commercial value
get rid of quantity and breed quality
what is quality? if you guys think blackfriars or oratorio is quality then you had better re-calibrate the system, not potting the local breeding just trying to raise the bar!
quality needs to be considered quality by east coast standards, stop saying 'yeah he's a good bull for WA SA or northern QLD'
IMO stop trying to make the coin at the service fee end and recognise the value at the sales ring end, especially if you want the east coast and asian buyers to have a crack.
if you rely on local buyers then you are screwed
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The horse breeding industry most likely feels the pinch more than most during economic downturns. Prizemoney having stagnated for several years now does nothing to help the situation.
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Definitely no hope of getting better before September at the very least (election)
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Good luck to anyone who ventures over, it really could be a once in a lfetime opportunity..Of course if everyone heads over then that will only drive the prices up..sort of damned if you damned damned if you dont!!
As a buyer I would be applying a new criteria to selections with the additional 5 months and I hope that the stock reflects this.
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Very tough commercial environment, as Tivers said for the rest of the year..Thank god the local government didn't change, so that hasn't created any disruption, but when the federal one does we wont see anything good happening until next year..... Cash is King ATM
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Might have been a good (and affordable) one.
Also Oratorio (IRE) escaped to South Africa - one missed ?
Although they probably paid plenty for him.
:(
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