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Race day treatments of Chester Rd and Maschino

West Australian Racing

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited December 2012
    Computer problem duplicated post removed
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited December 2012
    Computer problems..duplicated post removed
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts
    Rodent said:

    The problem is that over the years, some trainers have benefited from using certain things that are against the rules but for whatever reason don't show up in swabs. They have been ahead of the curve and getting lots of winners. A potential obstacle to getting this advantage would be security guards preventing administration of anything to the horse on race day. Hypothetically, a trainer could still treat the horse in the guise of some inane legal medication and if the stewards find out and have the horse tested, it'll be sweet. Slap on the wrist but horse goes to the race as trainer would like.
    This is a hypothetical situation and I'm certainly not alleging skullduggery on the part of the trainers concerned in this thread. I'm using a hypothetical situation to show the flaws in allowing the horses to run. If you are going to have the horses guarded, then the least you can do is scratch any horses treated without the permission of stewards.

    Rodent, I agree with you here, I'm not batitng for the other team. In time, we will definitely see horses scratched on race day regardless of substance, and I look forward to that.
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    edited December 2012
    Andrew I'm a bit confused.

    This thread began with a report from the stewards re: an alleged breach of longstanding and well understood rules by two trainers.

    The consensus of posters here seemed to be disgust that a few would see themselves as above the law and have contempt for the rules.

    Then you come along in a lather and say this:
    Clearly not many on here have heard that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. You guys can't be serious.
    You may may be right but it is a totally irrelevant and perhaps deliberately diversionary thing to say.

    Are you suggesting that if you don't agree with the rule that breaking the law and an gaining an unfair advantage over the respectful is ok?

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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    edited December 2012
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Idiot problem..I deleted both copies of the post i wrote!!

    Rodent and Carlosa have both got this thread back to where it should be
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    So in other words if anyone has a differing opinion and supports it with logical argument, its either mischievous or an agenda, clearly some of you have trouble carrying on intelligent argument / debate without it descending into a personal slanging match.

    My point is that obsolete treatment rules and I'm talking about treatments that benefit and don't harm the horse, not only do these antiquated rules tie a trainers hands behind their back and contribute to the problem of poor fields sizes, they continually generate needless controversy and shine a poor light upon racing and usually on major race days when their actually is some focus or attention being paid to racing by the mainstream media and the non racing public.

    Drug free racing is a myth and always has been and its well past time that a modern considered approach is taken to the treatment of a horse and that includes raceday treatments.

    I'm not proposing that it be open slather and that anything goes but I am suggesting that a more considered, enlightened, approach is necessary towards something that is an ongoing problem.
    If anyone is naive enough to think that most trainers especially the good ones don't bend or breaks the rules at times then they're either extremely naive or live in some sort of fantasy world as without doing so they will quickly become less effective and owners will drop off.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    As an owner I would move my horses the very moment I became aware of any rule bending. Either at the stable or on my horses.

    I ain't naive, but anyone who believes that there is a place for race day treatments and all trainers will abide by the rules is.

    Take your soap box to another thread Andrew. Your posts aren't relevant on this one...IMO
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Clearly then you're an exception Rio because why else would a trainers phone ring off the hook when they're on a big roll?
    Again you're missing the point relatively harmless stuff like what happened on the weekend brings racing into disrepute unnecessarily with the non racing public and generates negative publicity as they don't know the difference between a beneficial treatment and say a stimulant, to them its just another trainer drugging and exploiting that poor horse.
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    edited December 2012
    Andrew, you are wrong. There was nothing to stop those trainers treating their horses within the rules. All they needed to do was get permission from the stewards. They chose to act against the rules.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    what was the point of putting them under guard in the first place, considering what happened?
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    edited December 2012
    Andrew,

    I think your stance on the treatments involved is abundantly, profusely, copiously and amply clear.

    What does that have to do with the alleged offences/offenders?

    I repeat...are you in favour of participants snubbing rules and gaining an unfair advantage simply because they don't like the law?

    You haven't expressed any opinion on that but certainly had contempt for others and hijacked a discussion because they were sticking to the thread rather than raising a seperate 'hobby horse' of yours.
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Don't get me wrong guards make it harder but anyone who thinks that guard are anything more than a PR exercise and that they're going to stop absolutely everyone from flouting the rules is delusional.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    I dont believe it brings the sport into disrepute either Andrew.

    The Security guard picked it up, the treatment or syringe was obviously tested, the horses will be drug tested for sure, and they will more than likely come up clean.

    I think the majority of the public will see it as racing doing the right thing to make sure everything is straight up.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    When a policeman uses a hand held radar gun and stops someone to issue a fine, many more speed past. He can't get them all but by stopping one he creates a perception that the other ones could have got caught and they should change their driving habits...some do, some don't.

    This is the same. The message is get prior approval and all is well. Don't and you will be bought to task.
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