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Kingston Town Classic Day - Saturday 3rd December

West Australian Racing

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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    KT = $307000 winner, carries 52 kg, older horses, at least 5kg off the field.

    Aqaunita = $52500 winner, carries 59kg, gives the field at least 3kg


    The horse seems to be flying at the moment. The Kingston town is the logical option in my book.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?
    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    Probably look at last years as Playing God won both the Guins and the KT
    Well Playing god managed to win a set wights and penalties race after winning the Guineas-KT double. Interestingly, the horse that ran home an eye catching second in that race was none other than this years Railway winner, Luckygray.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
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    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?
    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    Probably look at last years as Playing God won both the Guins and the KT
    Well Playing god managed to win a set wights and penalties race after winning the Guineas-KT double. Interestingly, the horse that ran home an eye catching second in that race was none other than this years Railway winner, Luckygray.
    Good point
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,985 posts
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    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?

    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    Probably look at last years as Playing God won both the Guins and the KT
    Playing God is an entire, understand completely the reasoning. King Saul is a gelding though
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
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    said:

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    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?

    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    Probably look at last years as Playing God won both the Guins and the KT
    Playing God is an entire, understand completely the reasoning. King Saul is a gelding though
    Damien i was meaning to look at the ratings from last year mate going into both races to see what PG rating was before and after race
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  • Unknown
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    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?

    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    so what races is it worth keeping its handicap down for???
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  • rot8inrot8in    1,881 posts
    I would have thought the 307 reasons were enough to loose your low rating.

    8)
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,985 posts
    Well can he carry 59 plus kgs for the rest of his career in anything less than Group 1 racing ? For most 3YO racing next year, should he come back after a break before turning 4YO, he will carry 59 or 60 kgs in almost everything I imagine. Seeing how the most he has carried to date is 56 kgs, I think this will knock any performance out of him unless he races in set weights or black type events where horses of a similar calibre are racing as well.

    If he races against 3YO's late in the season and gives away 4kg or more each run, he will win nothing.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,985 posts
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    said:

    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?

    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    so what races is it worth keeping its handicap down for???
    3YO restricted race like the Aquanita, then next year step up as a 4YO. He would still be afforded weight relief having only won black type in 3YO restricted racing.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,985 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    said:

    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?

    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    Probably look at last years as Playing God won both the Guins and the KT
    Playing God is an entire, understand completely the reasoning. King Saul is a gelding though
    Damien i was meaning to look at the ratings from last year mate going into both races to see what PG rating was before and after race
    Playing God was rated 88 going into the Kingston Town Classic. He subsequently raced in a restricted 3YO race at set weights beating Luckgray. But hasn't won since. He simply is not running up to his current rating of 112. His best result of this campaign was at WFA first up.
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  • Unknown
    I think more people would be surprised if they headed to the Aquanita
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    The Jungle Dawn looks a good field.

    36 degrees forecast for Saturday!
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,483 posts
    37
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  • PunterPunter    947 posts
    Ranger looks a moral.
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  • keymeupkeymeup    185 posts
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    Ranger looks a moral.

    i agree punter looks a good thing
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  • Rogue_GreenRogue_Green    294 posts
    Go on you Gray.
    A much harder task for Luckygray having to carry the same weight as alot of other seasoned horses but he has answered all of the questions thrown at him so far. Cant see the extra 200m being too much of a problem, its more carrying the weight.
    Even as a luckygray fan, i think under $2.60 is a risk. Im happy to take the $3 though if it gets to it.
    And if it does get to $3, take it while you can. Come race day, the general racing public look at the book and see he has won his last 4 races and they will throw cash at it. I will not be suprised to see it run around at evens. Which is totally wrong, but sometimes the money doesnt lie!
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    Go The Gray! 8)
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,483 posts
    Errr, its "grey", boys... :P

    Evens...you jest....go see Punta, bet they'll give you 3s
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    I beg to differ Falc. You might want to check his name again perhaps?? :)
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,483 posts
    oops... :oops:
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    Should King Saul win this race, what would his new rating go to ? If he did win, what would be his chances of ever winning a race again in WA ?

    Further to that, what is the wisdom in nominating for a Gr1 when a Listed race for his own age is available over the same distance same day, that if he won he wouldn't be crucified by the Handicapper compared to if he won the Kingston Town

    so what races is it worth keeping its handicap down for???
    3YO restricted race like the Aquanita, then next year step up as a 4YO. He would still be afforded weight relief having only won black type in 3YO restricted racing.
    So he could have a crack at a race like the Kingston Town? :P
    Take the money (and Gr1), worry about the rating later. If he wins they can always send him east
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    oops... :oops:

    here's a handy little link for you falc cos we know you're englishly challenged at times:

    http://answers.reference.com/

    will help you with your spellering.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I reckon Avienus was nowhere near her best last start due to her travel related issues. Could be worth a spec at the 20/1 odds....
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  • ThePrinceThePrince    25 posts
    What are people's thoughts on the Aquanita Stakes?
    -TP
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    NINGALOO BLITZ for mine, got smashed on the corner and regained composure to fly for 4th in the Guineas.
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  • ThePrinceThePrince    25 posts
    Yep - agree. Reckon it will be short....
    -TP
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    My best for the day is without doubt Grand Nirvana now Hall got the lemon and Brad Rawiller on thats a winning move that :wink:
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
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    My best for the day is without doubt Grand Nirvana now Hall got the lemon and Brad Rawiller on thats a winning move that :wink:

    And save on the quinella with Waratah's
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
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    My best for the day is without doubt Grand Nirvana now Hall got the lemon and Brad Rawiller on thats a winning move that :wink:

    And save on the quinella with Waratah's
    Agree Funk he looks HTB also but Rawiller rides well over here and GN run in the Winterbottom was brilliant
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
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    NINGALOO BLITZ for mine, got smashed on the corner and regained composure to fly for 4th in the Guineas.

    Was clearly its best run this prep.
    First Flight and Final Cut should both run the 1800m out no worries and have to be considered chances
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