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Well Done Stewards

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  • bradybrady    1,463 posts
    If there had been a cutaway everbody would have got a clear
    run ! tight hairpin turn we need a cutaway ?
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  • lets_elopelets_elope    299 posts
    Cutaway is the absolute last thing we need has been rejected as ineffectual by every other club in Australia well over a decade ago it's yet another embarrassing example of back to the future decisions by the current Perth racing administration
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  • kerrinkerrin    342 posts
    I've been informed that Kerrin McEvoy plead guilty so he could receive 10% discount on his punishment. Is that true?
    If so, he was always going to plead guilty if the protest was upheld.

    Also, I can understand Perth Racing holding back the Winterbottom, as a lot of losing tickets on Luckygray, which turned into winning ones, could be reinvested on the Winterbottom. It's just a shame that they couldn't be milling around in the parade ring, instead of behind the barriers. I'm sure they will learn from this. Well, i hope so, anyway.

    Beside all the dramas, I thought Perth Racing put on a great show. I quite like the Super Saturday idea.
    And finally, I've never seen so many future Mrs Brown's walking around. There was some fine looking fillies walking around. I did see a few top weights as well. They need to get back into training. They're going to be huge when they're in foal ;)
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  • Unknown
    Game set match, McEvoy admitted he shifted out
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    Game set match, McEvoy admitted he shifted out

    irrelevant....still does not mean lg wins the race.
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  • GlenmoreParkGlenmorePark    527 posts
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    Game set match, McEvoy admitted he shifted out

    irrelevant....still does not mean lg wins the race.
    So McEvoy acknowledges he caused the interference. Now all that needs to be determined is how much ground did the interference cost Luckygray--if Lg suffers more than 1/2 neck--protest has to be upheld. Nothing in Steward's report about any other horse contributing to the interference. Seems pretty straight foward to me--$1mill race or $10k is totally irrelevant.
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  • kerrinkerrin    342 posts
    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.
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  • GhurkaGhurka    254 posts
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    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.[/quote]

    what a load of crock

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    there obviously wasn't any because you can be sure if there was, rwwa or whoever was responsible would have shown it to every tom, dick & harry whether they asked or not, because stewards would see themselves justified.

    i wouldn't go so far as to call it a home town decision, but i do doubt that the stewards in wa are up to scratch.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    wonder what would have happened if John Zucal was chairing the panel??
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  • Unknown
    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    he admitted he moved out during the inquiry, O'Donnell reminded the Stewards of that fact
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    said:

    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    there obviously wasn't any because you can be sure if there was, rwwa or whoever was responsible would have shown it to every tom, dick & harry whether they asked or not, because stewards would see themselves justified.

    Have a look at the replay of the final 600m on the perth racing site-the replay begins almost exactly at the point of the interference and you can clearly see He's Remarkable angling off searching for clear room. Waratah's Secret is squeezed out the back, and tellingly- to the RIGHT, indicating the pressure came from the left-or, if you like: inside. I don't see Big Ted shifting in either, in fact he shifts out after WS is hampered, allowing McEvoy out of the pocket.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    he admitted he moved out during the inquiry, O'Donnell reminded the Stewards of that fact
    so now i have to ask pb....are YOU completely unbiased, or is there something you are not telling us?

    and question 2...why was it irrelevant when chui turned his head, but not when you said mc evoy did,.....is there a difference that i am not clever enough to understand?
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    there obviously wasn't any because you can be sure if there was, rwwa or whoever was responsible would have shown it to every tom, dick & harry whether they asked or not, because stewards would see themselves justified.

    Have a look at the replay of the final 600m on the perth racing site-the replay begins almost exactly at the point of the interference and you can clearly see He's Remarkable angling off searching for clear room. Waratah's Secret is squeezed out the back, and tellingly- to the RIGHT, indicating the pressure came from the left-or, if you like: inside. I don't see Big Ted shifting in either, in fact he shifts out after WS is hampered, allowing McEvoy out of the pocket.
    i don't have to go anywhere except my own computers, where i have the race AND the protest hearing, and there is NO vision that clearly shows it....and anybody that says there is, i will say is dishonest.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    there obviously wasn't any because you can be sure if there was, rwwa or whoever was responsible would have shown it to every tom, dick & harry whether they asked or not, because stewards would see themselves justified.

    Have a look at the replay of the final 600m on the perth racing site-the replay begins almost exactly at the point of the interference and you can clearly see He's Remarkable angling off searching for clear room. Waratah's Secret is squeezed out the back, and tellingly- to the RIGHT, indicating the pressure came from the left-or, if you like: inside. I don't see Big Ted shifting in either, in fact he shifts out after WS is hampered, allowing McEvoy out of the pocket.
    i don't have to go anywhere except my own computers, where i have the race AND the protest hearing, and there is NO vision that clearly shows it....and anybody that says there is, i will say is dishonest.
    I know my left from my right. WS is shuffled backwards and unbalanced to its right. You can accuse me of being dishonest, but McEvoy admitted he shifted out and the vision in that clip supports that. You want a smoking gun, well there it its.....
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,949 posts
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    said:

    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    there obviously wasn't any because you can be sure if there was, rwwa or whoever was responsible would have shown it to every tom, dick & harry whether they asked or not, because stewards would see themselves justified.

    Have a look at the replay of the final 600m on the perth racing site-the replay begins almost exactly at the point of the interference and you can clearly see He's Remarkable angling off searching for clear room. Waratah's Secret is squeezed out the back, and tellingly- to the RIGHT, indicating the pressure came from the left-or, if you like: inside. I don't see Big Ted shifting in either, in fact he shifts out after WS is hampered, allowing McEvoy out of the pocket.
    Only because it lends credability to your version of events.

    That vision is shot at an angle looking into the turn from a tower about 400M from the finish. It affords no indication of what happened from a head on perspective. On that vision there is no sign of Big Ted becoming unbalanced and momentarily angling towards the outside fence.

    The two sides to this discussion will probably never meet at a consensus, but one thing is for sure, Luckygray and his connections have the trophy. That much won't be changed. I liken it to a Lotto win, makes no sense when you win, just spend the cheque and enjoy life.

    I think had McEvoy been in his hometown,perhaps at the beginning of the Spring Carnival, then this matter would be appealed. Right now he is on a holiday it is reported, so he doesn't really care one way or the other. I think he went with the guilty plea as he was by then aware that the protest was to be upheld.

    Plenty of judges are turned over on appeal, usually for an error at law.

    I really feel for the NZ end of the connections though, He's Remarkable came over here with one goal and that was to upgrade his Stallion prospects with a Group 1 win. He didn't deserve this outcome.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    everybody know he shifted out, NOT disputed, what is disputed is when he did.
    and there is no vision that shows him shifting out when it happened .
    in fact he was still half a horse off the fence after it happened the same as he was before it happened.
    i have the video that shows that, and another look at d wyers pictures, also shows exactly the same thing,......after ws is checked.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    said:

    He plead guilty after the protest was upheld. Not before.
    Where was the visual evidence that lost him the race? I must of looked away every time it was submitted, as I never saw it.
    Stewards declined a t.v interview after the race.
    It was a home town biased decision.

    there obviously wasn't any because you can be sure if there was, rwwa or whoever was responsible would have shown it to every tom, dick & harry whether they asked or not, because stewards would see themselves justified.

    Have a look at the replay of the final 600m on the perth racing site-the replay begins almost exactly at the point of the interference and you can clearly see He's Remarkable angling off searching for clear room. Waratah's Secret is squeezed out the back, and tellingly- to the RIGHT, indicating the pressure came from the left-or, if you like: inside. I don't see Big Ted shifting in either, in fact he shifts out after WS is hampered, allowing McEvoy out of the pocket.
    Only because it lends credability to your version of events. That vision is shot at an angle looking into the turn from a tower about 400M from the finish. It affords no indication of what happened from a head on perspective. On that vision there is no sign of Big Ted becoming unbalanced and momentarily angling towards the outside fence.

    The two sides to this discussion will probably never meet at a consensus, but one thing is for sure, Luckygray and his connections have the trophy. That much won't be changed. I liken it to a Lotto win, makes no sense when you win, just spend the cheque and enjoy life.

    I think had McEvoy been in his hometown,perhaps at the beginning of the Spring Carnival, then this matter would be appealed. Right now he is on a holiday it is reported, so he doesn't really care one way or the other. I think he went with the guilty plea as he was by then aware that the protest was to be upheld.

    Plenty of judges are turned over on appeal, usually for an error at law.

    I really feel for the NZ end of the connections though, He's Remarkable came over here with one goal and that was to upgrade his Stallion prospects with a Group 1 win. He didn't deserve this outcome.
    You're right it does support my argument, what's your point? The stewards, have an admission of guilt and a camera angle what more do you want? A DNA swab of the abbrasions on WS's legs? :roll:

    Have a look at Pike on Ranger, then? He is angling to the outside of WS and is checked because WS shifts out after the contact and straight in front of him. This is the worst intereference in the race imo.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,949 posts
    100% agree, Bob Peters would be a good chat over a coffee right about now. He must be livid

    but can I add, Bob knows stuff happens in Racing, he has won plenty that he probably was lucky in hindsight
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    said:

    everybody know he shifted out, NOT disputed, what is disputed is when he did.
    and there is no vision that shows him shifting out when it happened .
    in fact he was still half a horse off the fence after it happened the same as he was before it happened.
    i have the video that shows that, and another look at d wyers pictures, also shows exactly the same thing,......after ws is checked.

    Someone said McEvoy turned his head and he did, momentarily before he took off for home. Fact is he shifted out without looking and only realised what he'd done when Harvey probably screamed a few choice obscenties at him. People are confusing shifting out and contacting WS and McEvoy totally extricating himself from the rail.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    i think it's time to stop arguing, there is no point, it's unwinnable and it's meaningless, and you're wrong!
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  • [DeletedUser][DeletedUser]    0 posts
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    i think it's time to stop arguing, there is no point, it's unwinnable and it's meaningless, and you're wrong!


    No, I'm right and even if i'm not-I'm not giving my winnings back. :lol:
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Would love to see the protest hearing, couldnt hear athing whwre I was
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    said:

    i think it's time to stop arguing, there is no point, it's unwinnable and it's meaningless, and you're wrong!


    No, I'm right and even if i'm not-I'm not giving my winnings back. :lol:
    ok, this IS my very last on it.
    so if horses were swapped you would not be here arguing?
    or maybe arguing the opposite, whereas i had a tiny win bet on ws pre-post but no other interest in the race.

    so if it was reversed i would argue exactly the same for lg and o'donnell.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    you were probably under a table, H-bomber... :lol:
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    i think it's time to stop arguing, there is no point, it's unwinnable and it's meaningless, and you're wrong!


    No, I'm right and even if i'm not-I'm not giving my winnings back. :lol:
    ok, this IS my very last on it.
    so if horses were swapped you would not be here arguing?
    or maybe arguing the opposite, whereas i had a tiny win bet on ws pre-post but no other interest in the race.

    so if it was reversed i would argue exactly the same for lg and o'donnell.
    My initial thought was there was interference and LG was good thing beaten. Protests are a 50-50 thing-you know that going in. I'd be more concerned if the stewards didn't ask questions.

    I vividly remember El Presidente being tightend for room in a lead up race on the way to the Railway. He was beaten a nose, Troy Turner fired in a protest and it was dismissed. How do you acknowledge contact is made which inconveniences a horse and dismiss an objection when the margin is a nose?
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    http://tinyurl.com/czefwod

    finallly....telling it how it is.
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  • SemipropunterSemipropunter    438 posts
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    http://tinyurl.com/czefwod

    finallly....telling it how it is.

    They are disappointed thay lost the protest and $400k additional prizemoney :shock:
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    of course they are, but i lost sfa, and it's blatantly obvious as i(and many others) have said all along.....the vision was inconclusive.
    AND IT WAS

    goodnight.
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