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westozzywestozzy    16 posts
Can someone please explain to me what document gets signed when you become licenced under australian racing rules that gives the stewards the right to impose fines and administer disqualifications for incidents e.g. assault in a public place between licenced racing personnel on each other. If the assaults are serious then they should be reported to the police and dealt with in a court of law. In reality, how on earth can a horse racing steward send someone to the dole queue at the expense of the general public because someone chucks a cool drink can at someone in a water ski park and it gets out of hand. So going back to my question of authority who gives a racing steward the right to interfere outside racing venues. The only charge I can see is bringing the sport into disrepute and thats as far as his authority goes. Has this person ever read the UN covenent on human rights of which australia is a founder signatory. It clearly states you cant take a persons employment away from him. He can get the sack but thats another ball game. I have heard that race horse owners have been banned fron racetracks because of a punch-up, thats not on. The kangaroo court operates way outside the boundaaries of human rights and should be brought to heel on its powers. Of course if members of the horse/dog racing fraternity have signes a document stating I give up my rights to all common justice by law then so be it. The rules of racing should be adhered to, punishment for breaking the rules should be dealt with under the common law guidelines and not on the whims of the stewards.

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  • cubescubes    689 posts
    edited January 2011
    Dont think you can sign away your rights to natural justice particularly a minor.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    Interesting point.....
  • cricketcricket    10 posts
    probably like a footy club or most associations - you have a code of conduct. Break it and the tribunal has the right to administer punishment whether or not it is a police matter.
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
  • westozzywestozzy    16 posts
    Let me make it clear, I am not naming names here because the practice and culture of the way the inquiries are held have been going on for years in australia regardless of who the stewards are. Accused people have taken expensive skilled lawyers with them into a hearing and they have come out shaking their heads in regards to how the inquiries are held. Lawyers are a waste of money because the process of law isnt adhered to so you may as well take a manager from Hungry Jacks in with you, you might get a better responce. What amazes me is the media reporters report and name jockeys trainers etc when charges are laid yet none have the guts to seach and find whats legal and what isnt. Take conflict of interest for instance, any steward that has a close associate or a family member in the industry should dismiss himself from any enquiry or ask the accused if he/she has any objection to him being on the panel. The media is weak and a yes man for the stewards past and present. Voices without any opinion as to the rights or wrongs in the industry. No Guts.
  • GaryHGaryH    1,012 posts
    Back to the original post... I think the only authority they have is the power to remove said licence, if you don't pay the fine or serve the suspension? They would have no influence on charges bought by the police, if the victim pursued those .

    I see your point here in regard to the location of the incident. WHY would the stewards get involved? Probably because the victim reported it? As they should have done. Though I would have rather them be encouraged to press charges, and let the courts deal with it.

    Then the stewards can suspend the little bastards!
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    I believe that is correct - can't enforce the fine, but can remove licence for non payment in lieu (check list of previous cases in Calander)
  • westozzywestozzy    16 posts
    Te powers of the stewards should be more transparent, if the chief steward wants to act as judge and jury then he should deliver his summing up for everyone in the industry to understand his reasons for severe or lenient punishment. That way industry operatives might understand why there seems to be favour shown to some and severe penalties to others. Popularity isnt a virtue thats bestowed on the stewards but the industry does have the right to feel they are being treated fairly and that means a fair go for everyone not just the chosen few. The chain of command... the stewards the integrity board and appeals board are collectively disliked and rightly so, because they dont act separately and are strongly influenced by one man. Unless the minister steps in to bring the RWWA and the stewards into the 21st century then this archaic system of non justice will continue.
  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    The appeals board is independent from the rest of RWWA
  • westozzywestozzy    16 posts
    Independent maybe.....but without outside influence??????????? I dont think so.
    Interesting in todays west, Shane Edwards get 12 months wih some allowancesThe late Scobie O Donnell got 10 years both for electrical devices so was Scobie's crime 10 times more serious than Shanes? I doubt it.
    So classifying an electrical device becomes an issue, if every rural stable complex has a cow is it legal to have a cow prodder from the stewards point of view?
    Its time there was a shake up in the stewards room.
  • cubescubes    689 posts
    The world and most definitely the racing world has changed markedly in that time.

    Saying that the Appeals panel is not independent is stupid and patently wrong.
  • AquanitaAquanita    566 posts
    The Appeals Tribunal is totally indepenent and if it is subject to outside influence from what quarter?

    I once rang the secretary of the Tribunal to pass on my congratulations in dismissing an appeal that if upheld would have severely compromised the integrity of racing.

    The Secretary told me that any verbal or written advice to the Tribunal would never get to the Tribunal members under any circumstances.

    Sounds like someone has a huge axe to grind.
  • BrubakerBrubaker    219 posts
    said:

    Independent maybe.....but without outside influence??????????? I dont think so.
    Interesting in todays west, Shane Edwards get 12 months wih some allowancesThe late Scobie O Donnell got 10 years both for electrical devices so was Scobie's crime 10 times more serious than Shanes? I doubt it.
    So classifying an electrical device becomes an issue, if every rural stable complex has a cow is it legal to have a cow prodder from the stewards point of view?
    Its time there was a shake up in the stewards room.

    It's not what you know, it's who you know.
    Size and importance (reputation?) of stable helps too.
    I could name 2 very prominent trainers from the past that got disqualified on numerous ocassions for positives before finally being "warned off" indefinitely. If I remember rightly, Bart Cummings only got 3 months for a positive to caffeine when 2 years was the norm at that time.
  • mattymatty    57 posts
    Wets ozz your dead right if poor old scobie was still alive he would be still doing time and this bloke gets 12 months with special benefits? Go Figure!!
    :roll:
  • RazorSharpRazorSharp    439 posts
    edited January 2011
    When was the last time someone actually did 10 yrs, if you get life you get back after 5.

    I think 12 months is a little light but can live with it.
    Racing changes, when was the last time someone (trainer) got time for giving a horse a run, I reckon Buster might be the last.
  • AquanitaAquanita    566 posts
    The late Cliff Carey was renowned for starting his radio show with "There has now been 3056 races run in NSW since a horse was not allowed to run on its merits". Not sure how many races he got up to.
  • RazorSharpRazorSharp    439 posts
    Ascot Wednesday, 19 January 2011 ? Race 8. Froffies Queens Park Handicap (1400m)
    Stewards questioned Jockey J. Noske the rider of ENCOSTA BRAVO regarding his riding of the gelding, in particular between the 500m and the 200m. He explained that he was instructed to settle the gelding back in running consistent with its normal racing pattern and allow it to work into the race from the 600m but refrain from bustling it by riding vigorously around the home turn and allow the gelding to balance up in the straight before letting down. He advised that he had been able to follow these instructions but added due to the muddling pace of the race the gelding had raced keenly between the 1200m and the 800m. When pressed regarding his level of vigour in the early stages of the straight he explained that he had urged the gelding along on straightening and then drew the whip and rode with increased vigour from the 200m but in his opinion his mount had finished the race off only moderately.
    When interviewed Trainer Mr Craig Wright advised that the gelding was having its first start in his stable and on its previous form he had formed the opinion that it is a ?one-paced? runner. He confirmed the instructions issued and was satisfied with the manner in which the gelding was ridden. He further explained that the gelding had worked well in the lead up to the race and in his opinion was in a forward enough condition to race despite not having trialled before this first up run. He added that although the gelding had pulled up slightly big in condition, it had recovered well and his intention is to start it over an increased distance at Bunbury on 3 February 2011.
    Whilst Stewards accepted these explanations, Jockey J. Noske was nonetheless advised to at all times in running ensure his mounts are ridden to comply with his obligations under ARR.135.
    B.W. LEWIS
    Chief Stewards Thoroughbreds


    Guess who was on it ? J N is killing me a slow death :evil:
  • jigajiga    15 posts
    said:

    When was the last time someone actually did 10 yrs, if you get life you get back after 5.


    della's prick relation got 15yrs,in 95
    they finished last year
    :P :P :P

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