Stallions Popularity 2009

TheDiva · January 2010

Stallion 2009 Serving Season (figures for current season to be finalised)
Stallion 2009 2008 2007
Akhenaton 26 19 47
Mosayter 9 26 45
Carpanetto 22 47 53
Eternity Range 21 10 10
Galaxy Storm 9 9 14
Umah 11 13 2
Gambade 12 13 5
Purewin 6 8 9
Cape North 46 64 61
Hartleys Spirit 26 46 62
Brocco 16 20 30
McFlirt 15 26 78
Lords A Leaping 8 28 39
Redoutable 14 41 79
Lord Dane 8 11 53
Zedrich 20 27 35
Balestrini 15 23 46
Bearcat 88 70 121
Citidancer 26 13 30
De Troy 30 18 24
Heritage 15 26 22
Seinne 10 38 -
Natural Blitz 16 40 60
Passenger 73 77 -
Saxon 72 115 138
Numerous Times 6 17 40
So Secret 63 - -
Due Sasso 100 55 100
Patronize 21 36 6
Foxhound 7 26 22
Redoute’s Dancer 27 - -
Startac 13 30 33
Helenus 15 51 86
Husson Lightning 92 97 -
Ihtiram 8 14 74
Key Business 24 52 80
Universal Prince 34 66 37
Balmont 65 75 -
Trade Fair 87 91 92
Hurricane Sky 57 81 103
Vital Equine 84 53 -
Blackfriars 108 76 131
Fath 65 63 -
Flying Pegasus 130 125 119
Bletchley Park 53 66 100
Viscount 80 37 34
Oratorio 125 115 90
Danehill Express 125 136 -

I missed out

He's A Decoy 21 - -

TheDiva · January 2010

The big players:

Heytesbury Stud 172 mares to date

Durham Lodge 215 mares to date

Touchstone Farm 257 mares to date

Mungrup Stud 365 mares to date

TheFunkster · January 2010

Surrised to see McFlirtp's numbers fall away.
Seems to be going pretty well on the sires lists, especially given he never really gets the best mares.
I thought the Redoutable's at last year's sale were nice types so surprised to see his numbers drop off too.

TheDiva · January 2010

said:
Surrised to see McFlirtp's numbers fall away.
Seems to be going pretty well on the sires lists, especially given he never really gets the best mares.
I thought the Redoutable's at last year's sale were nice types so surprised to see his numbers drop off too.

Some of the numbers have bounced back, this largly due to price drops where Breeders obviously thought a Stallion was once again reasonably priced. But some would have bounced back on performances on either the track or in the sales ring.

goose · January 2010

Yes surprised by Mcflirt's numbers he is good value Redoutable looks a cart horse any figures on Sienne think he could throw a good horse here a bit of serheed about him.

TheDiva · January 2010

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Yes surprised by Mcflirt's numbers he is good value Redoutable looks a cart horse any figures on Sienne think he could throw a good horse here a bit of serheed about him.

just put him in, he got 10 year to date and 38 last year

Tivers · January 2010

said:
Yes surprised by Mcflirt's numbers he is good value Redoutable looks a cart horse any figures on Sienne think he could throw a good horse here a bit of serheed about him.

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goose · January 2010

Thanks Tete not many as expected bet he wishes he could see some green grass occasionally....

TheDiva · January 2010

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Thanks Tete not many as expected bet he wishes he could see some green grass occasionally....

I think these numbers will improve slightly as it will for all of those listed, but yes it is a little less than the Owners probably would have hoped for.

TheFunkster · January 2010

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Yes surprised by Mcflirt's numbers he is good value Redoutable looks a cart horse any figures on Sienne think he could throw a good horse here a bit of serheed about him.

Well those cart horses present well enough to make the main sale :shock:

TheFunkster · January 2010

Neither was Love A Dane, but like Redoutable both very well bred and he has thrown some very good horses.
If his racing stats were better it would be highly unlikely he would be standing in WA.
Imo Bearcat's and Redoutable's yearlings were the pick of the first season sire's last year.

Will be interesting to see what the stock of this year's new sires shape-up like; Flying Peg, Due Sasso, Natural Blitz, Lord's a Leaping, etc

TheFunkster · January 2010

Can't see myself rushing in to buy one either.
But then again I haven't seen any yet so won't discount completely, Don Eduardo and Reset are throwing a few nice ones

Tivers · January 2010

said:
Can't see myself rushing in to buy one either.
But then again I haven't seen any yet so won't discount completely, Don Eduardo and Reset are throwing a few nice ones

Be prepared to wait................and wait........................and wait

TheDiva · February 2010

Stallion 2009 Serving Season – Final Figures

Names in Bold are increased mares this season

Stallion 2009 2008 2007
Akhenaton 28 19 47
Mosayter 9 26 45
Carpanetto 22 47 53
Eternity Range 21 10 10
Galaxy Storm 9 9 14
Umah 12 13 2
Gambade 17 13 5
Purewin 6 8 9
Cape North 47 64 61
Hartleys Spirit 26 46 62
Brocco 16 20 30
McFlirt 18 26 78
Lords A Leaping 10 28 39
Redoutable 22 41 79
Lord Dane 8 11 53
Zedrich 20 27 35
Balestrini 15 23 46
Bearcat 91 70 121
He’s A Decoy 21 - -
Citidancer 26 13 30
De Troy 30 18 24
Heritage 15 26 22
Natural Blitz 17 40 60
Passenger 81 77 -
Saxon 72 115 138
Numerous Times 6 17 40
So Secret 63 - -
Due Sasso 107 55 100
Patronize 21 36 6
Foxhound 7 26 22
Redoute’s Dancer 27 - -
Startac 13 30 33
Helenus 15 51 86
Husson Lightning 93 97 -
Ihtiram 10 14 74
Key Business 24 52 80
Universal Prince 36 66 37
Balmont 65 75 -
Trade Fair 87 91 92
Hurricane Sky 58 81 103
Vital Equine 84 53 -
Blackfriars 111 76 131
Fath 68 63 -
Flying Pegasus 135 125 119
Bletchley Park 53 66 100
Viscount 90 37 34
Oratorio 142 115 90
Danehill Express 133 136 -

TheFunkster · February 2010

Looking forward to seeing the progeny of Passenger, Vitall Equine and Fath.
Surprised to see the numbers of McFlirt, Balestrini, Natural Blitz, Helenus & Ihtiram so low. Helenus hasn't set the world on fire but it only takes one horse, and i reckon i saw it last week. Lot 322 a colt by Helenus out of Very Auspicious (Zedrich), it was an absolute cracker. It sold for $52k.

Surprisingly high numbers; So Secret, Cape North and Passenger

Unknown · February 2010

Im looking forward to seeing Husson Lightning progeny.

I reckon Weekend Hussler is about to bounce back on the track so that could re-ignite interest in the stock.

darkshines · February 2010

WTF happenned to Ihtiram and Helenus?

For stock that was so highly 'ramped' early, the wheels have well and truly fallen off Helenus.

TheDiva · February 2010

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WTF happenned to Ihtiram and Helenus?

For stock that was so highly 'ramped' early, the wheels have well and truly fallen off Helenus.

Very difficult to sell one in the ring last week

scenic3 · February 2010

to the forum,

I understand that alot of the forum members are breeders, can anyone tell me what the Helenus and Ihtiram progeny are like.

an example is that alot of the Kenmare lines stallions can throw highly strung horses however they do run, I have heard the same comment made by trainers from the west to stud managers in the east.

When this happens trainers, strappers and stable workers alike tend to be put off by the breed and not be known to the owner their prized possession has the invisible sticker on it when it enters the stable - hard to handle be cautious by "this sire" -

How did the wheels fall off?

Sprintcar · February 2010

Ihtirams can be really hard to handle and in racework they can be nervy ,picky eaters, develop all th known stable vices, a trainers dream really! I have had a few on agistment, very hard to get weight on, fence walkers, windsuckers etc etc.
He also needs a very strong mare, peggies bid is a tank.
For me I wouldn't use him because I keep the odd one to race and his strike rate winners to runners is poor.
Helenus's need careful handling as they can tricky round the head(like dad) and they are hot. Not all trainers have the patience/time to deal with them. Trevor Andrews is very good with them, as he says you just let them do their thing and then ask for what you want. Lou luciani has also trained a helenus filly well for a two year old win. The Helenus were not expected to be 2yr olds so that was good result.

HenleyBrook · February 2010

i've heard from alot of breakers and trainers that helenus progeny are very weak. The Corporation takes after cornfields. has none of helenus's confirmation or type at all.

TheFunkster · February 2010

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i've heard from alot of breakers and trainers that helenus progeny are very weak. The Corporation takes after cornfields. has none of helenus's confirmation or type at all.

I looked at several of them at the sales. A few were ok, but I put a line thru most of them fairly quickly.
But I guarantee you one thing, providing it stays sound the Helenus colt out of Very Auspicious (Lot 322) will be a very good horse.
Even by Helenus and out of a Zedrich mare there is no way a yearling can look that good and not be a good horse. I don't think it was pumped full of hormones either, just looked a natural to me.

darkshines · February 2010

said:
to the forum,

I understand that alot of the forum members are breeders, can anyone tell me what the Helenus and Ihtiram progeny are like.

an example is that alot of the Kenmare lines stallions can throw highly strung horses however they do run, I have heard the same comment made by trainers from the west to stud managers in the east.

When this happens trainers, strappers and stable workers alike tend to be put off by the breed and not be known to the owner their prized possession has the invisible sticker on it when it enters the stable - hard to handle be cautious by "this sire" -

How did the wheels fall off?

The amount of mares he served this year (if these numbers are correct)

Helenus 15 51 86

TheDiva · February 2010

said:

said:
to the forum,

I understand that alot of the forum members are breeders, can anyone tell me what the Helenus and Ihtiram progeny are like.

an example is that alot of the Kenmare lines stallions can throw highly strung horses however they do run, I have heard the same comment made by trainers from the west to stud managers in the east.

When this happens trainers, strappers and stable workers alike tend to be put off by the breed and not be known to the owner their prized possession has the invisible sticker on it when it enters the stable - hard to handle be cautious by "this sire" -

How did the wheels fall off?
The amount of mares he served this year (if these numbers are correct)

Helenus 15 51 86

From 86 coverings, he had 51 live foals. Of these a number must have been retained b the Breeders as only 12 were offered for sale at the MM Sale 2010. Of these, 5 made it into the Premier Sale division.

Of the 12 offered lots, only 2 were passed in, at reserve price of $20k in the Premier, and $5k in the Sunday section.

Of the 10 that were sold, they sold for an aggregate of $137,000 giving him an average of $13,700 (if removing the unsold horses from the equation).

His 2007 Stud fee was $11,000 at the time of the coverings.

TheFunkster · February 2010

said:

said:

said:
to the forum,

I understand that alot of the forum members are breeders, can anyone tell me what the Helenus and Ihtiram progeny are like.

an example is that alot of the Kenmare lines stallions can throw highly strung horses however they do run, I have heard the same comment made by trainers from the west to stud managers in the east.

When this happens trainers, strappers and stable workers alike tend to be put off by the breed and not be known to the owner their prized possession has the invisible sticker on it when it enters the stable - hard to handle be cautious by "this sire" -

How did the wheels fall off?
The amount of mares he served this year (if these numbers are correct)

Helenus 15 51 86
From 86 coverings, he had 51 live foals. Of these a number must have been retained b the Breeders as only 12 were offered for sale at the MM Sale 2010. Of these, 5 made it into the Premier Sale division.

Of the 12 offered lots, only 2 were passed in, at reserve price of $20k in the Premier, and $5k in the Sunday section.

Of the 10 that were sold, they sold for an aggregate of $137,000 giving him an average of $13,700 (if removing the unsold horses from the equation).

His 2007 Stud fee was $11,000 at the time of the coverings.

And Lot 322 went for $52k. Doesn't leave many $'s for the rest....

Chester · February 2010

The breeder of Lot 322 is recovering from a serious car accident so it was great to his horses sell well.
He also bred the Dansinga -Tahoe Queen in the sale.

From a couple of broodmares he has ended up with one in HK and one in South Africa-both winners.

TheDiva · February 2010

Well no, if you remove that yearling, that leaves 9 ave just $9445 off an $11,000 service fee.

That's not good news.

Tivers · February 2010

What you're looking for is a MEDIAN price - note NZB publishes their median (which is always lower than the MEAN average, but MM's never does.......)

Sales were : $1k, 1k, 2k, 4.5k, 4.5k MEDIAN 13k, 15k, 19k, 25k, 52K

10 lots so hard to nail the Median, but is therefore $4,500 / $13,000 (whether you take halfway between the two I'm not sure.........?

scenic3 · February 2010

Thank ever so much for the people in this forum who commented how there stock are on ground level, knowing alot of these traits would probably steer new owners in a better direction come purchase time.

If Helenus can get 86, I hope more breeders look at this MyAtacanta in his inaugural season.

We were especially lucky that the breeders of yester year imported great stallions such as Serheed, Jungle Boy, Cheraw, Ifrad, Lucratif, Dauberval and more importantly a cosmopolitan breed of stallions from all over the world especially with a european flavour that evolved our very distinct gene pool we have here in the WEST.

An all american pedigree, born in Ireland and raced very impressively in Australia on grass, MyAtacanta's pedigree is made up of a who's who of breed shaping thoroughbred lines dominating here in Australia and all over the world.

And not to push the barrow, dont those races like the derby and oaks require a horse with toughness and stamina, without an werk nick rating you will find this Myatacanta will produce something out of the box.

Take a look at the strength of his dam line, can we all agree that Myatacanta given every opportunity will succeed.

TheDiva · February 2010

Thanks for the positive words of encouragement for our Stallion.

We have had at this early stage, expressions of interest totalling 19 mares that will be covered by My Atacanta this forthcoming season.

scenic3 · February 2010

I saw myself Tete getting in contact with a friend at Weatherby's Bloodstock to recieve an indepth catalogue style pedigree of his mouth watering pedigree.

Indeed another exciting first season sire to stand in WA in 2010.

G'day Punter!

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