is c harvey hard done by??West Australian Racing

carey

should he have been rubbed out?

TheDiva

I don't think your poll offers a correct answer. Stewards report has him slowing down the field, if this is the case it is bloody dangerous.

TheDiva

I wont comment on this incident because I havent seen the replay properly.

However I have been keeping suspensions records for a few years now and C Harvey does get a lot of suspensions.

carey

maybe he was in front by default because nobody wanted to be there.
i have watched it frame by frame and can't see that he reduced pace at any stage.
there was no decent pace at any stage until knuckey showed a bit of nous.

there were some pathetic rides here but don't think c harvey effort was one of them

TheDiva

Knuckey definately took the initiative

Blake

they should watch the cox plate. they went slower in that.

wotsup

I see by the Stewards report that early races yesterday seemed like a mini rodeo. Some later races were the usual slow races causing clipping of heels etc. Also noted that in newspaper some trainers are worried that cut away rail may cause clipping of heels etc. Might be a double whammy on the way if races are not run fast. :?:

cubes

Poor decision, dont think he slowed at all. If he had given the horse his head he would have bolted as he did in the preliminary(why the race ran late).

He cant be held responsible for others inactions. Initiative won the race for Knuckey.

Box1Racing

said:

I don't think your poll offers a correct answer. Stewards report has him slowing down the field, if this is the case it is bloody dangerous.

Its brillant tatics if they pay off,
some times like in Maldevians case you would be silly not to slow down.
We could put him on True Steel again if ya need a quicker pace :lol:

Keep it up Clint and will be seeing you soon 8)

Box1Racing

said:

However I have been keeping suspensions records for a few years now and C Harvey does get a lot of suspensions.

Hes just misunderstood by the stripes :P

wotsup

If I was on a horse coming out of barriers I would not even know as to go clockwise or anti-clockwise. However that aside I am getting a bit tired of losing money as races are slowed (sometimes) causing horses to be blocked and in some cases clipping heels etc. I am sure there are many other punters who feel the same way IMHO. Stewards seem to be clamping down on the practise and we can only hope we see less of races being slowed. Yes I am surely talking through my pocket, but feel I am entitled to do so.

Blacat

said:

I see by the Stewards report that early races yesterday seemed like a mini rodeo. Some later races were the usual slow races causing clipping of heels etc. Also noted that in newspaper some trainers are worried that cut away rail may cause clipping of heels etc. Might be a double whammy on the way if races are not run fast. :?:

Agree , also think it is up to the following riders to allow enough space from the leader . i didnt see the race but im assuming he came from a wide barrier crossed over clear to the lead , then set the pace. what was he supposed to do keep going the same speed and lead by 5 lengths.
Its the style of WA racing , bunch up and hope nothing goes wrong :roll:

Blacat

said:

I see by the Stewards report that early races yesterday seemed like a mini rodeo. Some later races were the usual slow races causing clipping of heels etc. Also noted that in newspaper some trainers are worried that cut away rail may cause clipping of heels etc. Might be a double whammy on the way if races are not run fast. :?:

Agree , also think it is up to the following riders to allow enough space from the leader . i didnt see the race but im assuming he came from a wide barrier crossed over clear to the lead , then set the pace. what was he supposed to do keep going the same speed and lead by 5 lengths.
Its the style of WA racing , bunch up and hope nothing goes wrong :roll:

wotsup

Not only punters get pithed off with races being slowed down. I know of a jockey who was heard by a Steward to yellout. '' Get out of the way you #@$&. Was called to Stewards room and copped a suspension. Don't know but I assume the jock may have been on the rail. Just a guess. Anyway one unhappy jock. :lol: :lol: :lol:

wotsup

I did not see the race and perhaps C Harvey may have been a safe distance ahead of the field and benefit of doubt could have been applied. However I have seen mid race a rider very close to field slow horse to rest it or to use slow then zoom tactic. That IMHO is vey dangerous. It can be seen done many times. Riders coming from behind do not know if a leading rider perhaps on the rail is going to move out etc. If resting a horse get out of the way and use zoom tactic later in race. Getting out of the way in a safe manner or win by a few lengths seem correct to me.

neuch

No, if he's going too slow then some others can go forward and take the lead.

GlenmorePark

I reckon it is the responsibility of those directly behind the leader for setting the pace. A slow early pace suits the leader giving it an advantage and therefore improving its chances of victory. If you're not happy with the early speed you move forward like Nikolic did on Zipping in the Cox Plate--he was the only jockey who showed any initiative

dungy

Give him a month i say after just watching this untalented jock SLAUGHTER Glastonbury Tor if he breaks rules them RUB HIM OUT !!!

Unknown

all I ask is that they be consistent in their findings.
1) Bet Ahead was inside Abu Simbel for the 1st 600m why wasnt Ike penalised for not kicking up and increasing the pace.
2)Why wasnt the rider of Magical Gold sitting outside Harvey not also penalised, he also has control of the pace they are going.

TheDiva

In answer to 2) I think Harvey got the suspension because of the interference back in the field - had that not occurred then he may have got just a warning or nothing

Unknown

Race 9 Continued
General: Jockey C. Harvey (ABU SIMBEL) was found guilty to a charge under ARR.137(d) for reducing the pace between the 1300m and the 1000m resulting in interference to BET AHEAD (T. Ikenushi), GONDORFF (W. Pike) and MARINE DRIVE (Jarrad Noske). Jockey C. Harvey was subsequently suspended from riding in races for a period of 14 days to commence at midnight 26 October 2008 and to expire at midnight 9 November 2008.

can be read 2 ways, but it does say he was found guilty under rule ARR.137 for reducing the pace, guilty for causing interference, that would be a different charge I think. ARR.137(a)

So are they saying you can slow the pace so long as no one gets interfered with?

tony

Rule 137

AR.137. Any rider may be punished if, in the opinion of the Stewards,
(a) He is guilty of careless, reckless, improper, incompetent or foul riding. [amended 1.3.05]
(b) He fails to ride his horse out to the end of the race and/or approaching the end of the
race. [amended 1.10.06]
(c) He makes any celebratory gesture prior to his mount passing the winning post.
[paragraph (c) added 1.10.00]
(d) He excessively slows, reduces or checks the speed of his horse thereby causing
interference, directly or indirectly, to any other horse in the race.
[paragraph (d) added 1.3.05]

Blake

knowing abu simbel inside out having been around him since he was a yearling before he went to wa the horse pulls like a steam train and like posted before (didn't know he bolted prelim but not surprised one iota) if you don't jump out and swing off him you'd be going 10 to the furlong over these longer trips. he's one of those if you give him an inch of rein he'll take a mile. the day jimmy cassidy won on him at canterbury he did a lap of honour trying to pull him up. if he doesn't and the horse bolts then do they give him time for not giving the horse every possible chance of obtaining the best finishing position??? it's a double edged sword.