TOP TRAINERSWest Australian Racing

Chelsea

It would be interesting to know people's thoughts on the following categories .

1. Top 2 year old trainer in W.A.

2. Top 3 year old

3. Ist up specialist trainer

4. Top sprinter trainer.

5. Best middle distance trainer

6 Best staying trainer.

My thoughts

1 Dan Morton
2 Simon Miller
3 Adam Durant
4 Jim Taylor
5 Justin Warwick
6 Adam Durant

Raff_2000

A pretty good assessment there Chelsea. I do rate Lou and Dion Luciani right up there with 2 year olds and Trevor Andrews would be the closest of close 2nds behind Simon for 3 year olds. It's not easy judging trainers of 2 and 3 year old horses though when you take into account that some of them have more success than others of actually getting them to a race track due to Shin soreness, maturity and development times, etc...

RIO

I dont strongly disagree with the list on any of them Chelsea, but i sit here and look at the list and say where is NDP??? maybe i'd slip him in to the all rounder role that you have for Justin Warwick....But as stated i wouldn't say to definitely replace JW

LuckyLongshots

Have to agree re. NDP - very good overall, but hard to put him in one of those areas exclusively.

Obviously on strike rate he doesn't compare to some of those listed - but some of those listed wouldn't take on some of the cattle NDP does.  So it's easier to have a high strike rate if you only take the best cattle!

lame

fred kersley use to have a good strike rate with 2yo but has been quiet across the board for a long time now

Raff_2000

lame said:

fred kersley use to have a good strike rate with 2yo but has been quiet across the board for a long time now

He's starting to find some form again with the likes of Operational, Ihtsahymn and Northpace among others. Operational should win again on Saturday and the other two are good each way hopes for sure. He has an inform jockey on board a lot of them too in 'Diamond Dan'.

Shergar

Would be interesting to take the question back 10, 20 and 30 years to see how long names stay at the top.

rot8in

and what about pound for pound...cost of animal vs return...Nev has to be up there.

I have been told D Harrison is the best 2 year trainer in WA...not sure what you guys think.I was told he looks after them and wont destroy em??

 

TheFunkster

The best 2yo trainer is the one that saves them til they are 3....

thefalcon

...or 4..

Piston_Broke

that would make them the best 3 or 4 y/o trainer. The best 2 y/o trainer has to be the person who wins races with 2 y/o's

Piston_Broke

best 2 y/o trainer I have ever seen in WA was Roy Edwards by a furlong

rick

 

he's gone abit quiet over the last few years but G Daly used to get the 2yr olds to fire

carey

Piston_Broke said:

best 2 y/o trainer I have ever seen in WA was Roy Edwards by a furlong

did armanasco train in perth?
he was certainly about the best 2yo trainer in melbourne, when i operated there.

thefalcon

way back in the 50's carey..he was a great mate of my dads

Rex

In my opinion  the best 2yo trainer in W.A. was Bob Burns. His record was outstanding but because he rushed them early not many went on. Kieth Moxham was his jockey at the time until he went to Singapore.

thefalcon

kevin williams wasn't bad either.

JAYKAY

For strike rates through the 80's there was no better than Brian Liddelow

Piston_Broke

JK u r forgiven because of your association with Brian, Art Roy didn't win that many races ;)

LuckyLongshots

On second thought, reckon NDP, could certainly get his own category - "older horses"

Just a few that I recall over the last five or so years:

Beyond Dispute - won as 10yo (123 starts - retired as 11yo)

Caller One - won as 9yo (101 starts - retired as 10yo)

Euclassy Thing - won as 9yo (92 starts - retired as 10yo)

Call Me Henry - won as 9yo (83 starts - finished career up north)

Prince of Vasac - won as 8yo (85 starts - finished career down south)

Secret Enigma - won as 8yo (68 starts - still going)

TheFunkster

Rex said:

In my opinion  the best 2yo trainer in W.A. was Bob Burns. His record was outstanding but because he rushed them early not many went on. Kieth Moxham was his jockey at the time until he went to Singapore.

Any relation to Andy Burns from up Moora who also trained? Andy was my great uncle. I can't remember a Bob but there was at least 7 siblings

ICE

Hec is the best 2 yr old trainer in my time

ICE

Who would be the oldest trainer in WA?

lame

ernie fagans 81 or there abouts

lame

Trainer Name     1st    2nd   3rd 4th  5th   Prize Money  Strike Rate Starts

Adam Durrant , 74½ , 52 , 44 , 36 , 26 , $3,115,912.00 , 19.80% , 379

Neville Parnham , 65½ , 80 , 83½ , 74½ , 87½ , $2,379,918.00 , 08.10% , 816

Steve wolfe , 53 , 46 , 35½ , 49 , 25 , $1,138,029.00 , 14.80% , 358

Simon A Miller , 52 , 26 , 22 , 12½ , 14½ , $1,743,163.00 , 27.80% , 187

David Harrison , 44 , 37 , 35½ , 35 , 36 , $1,076,459.00 , 12.20% , 360

Grant williams , 34½ , 31 , 31½ , 35 , 15 , $1,511,543.00 , 13.30% , 264

Peter fernie , 34 , 33 , 28 , 23 , 27 , $490,047.00 , 12.60% , 269

Lou Luciani & Dion Luciani , 33 , 45 , 32 , 33 , 28½ , $991,690.00 , 11.10% , 298

Daniel Morton , 31 , 41½½ , 23 , 27 , 34 , $1,363,406.00 , 11.60% , 267

Jim P Taylor , 30 , 26½ , 26 , 18 , 20½ , $1,394,633.00 , 15.00% , 200

Bruce watkins & Gary Hitchcock , 27½ , 24 , 22 , 13½ , 12 , $855,031.00 , 16.60% , 169

fred kersley , 27 , 17 , 21 , 10 , 11 , $710,015.00 , 17.40% , 155

Trevor Andrews , 26 , 34 , 12 , 25½ , 26 , $862,802.00 , 11.60% , 224

Brett Pope , 26 , 21 , 18 , 15 , 22½ , $524,554.00 , 13.00% , 200

Peter & Matthew Giadresco , 26 , 18½ , 18½ , 19 , 21 , $612,660.00 , 14.70% , 177

Lindsey Smith , 23½ , 25 , 31½ , 18 , 22½ , $793,946.00 , 11.80% , 203

Justin warwick , 23 , 18 , 14 , 17 , 16 , $861,450.00 , 11.40% , 201

Justine Erkelens , 20 , 14 , 13 , 11 , 20 , $334,913.00 , 14.30% , 140

Darren Mcauliffe , 20 , 10 , 12 , 11 , 19 , $562,913.00 , 16.70% , 120

Paul Hunter 20 , 9 , 20 , 13 , 9 , $270,544.00 , 14.60% , 137

AndrewCarter

Roy Edwards was clearly the best 2yo trainer in WA.and to exclude Fred Kersley from that original list is sacrilegious.

Indy

Add 1 Vote fo NDP - I agree he doesn't fit the categories listed, but I rate him maybe best overall trainer.

everready

colin webster rite up there

thefalcon

none like the old boys of yesteryear, jock campbell, reg treffone, eddie spencer, ted mcauliffe, hugh jamieson, aub mitchell and a host of others.

those guys were horsemen and boy, did they know how to train a horse....and how to pull of a plunge. no pre-post or corporates in those days, just an effing strong betting ring.

JayJay

Yesteryear's champs did it all without walkers, swimming pools, etc etc.Horsemen of the old school. Ted Sullivan had Kilrickle win a Railway (albeit on protest) over 1600m and then a week later, he runs 2nd in the Perth Cup (3200m). A good nostalgia thread would be "first uppers" - no trials, no publicity followed by a good old fashioned "go" in the ring and SP shops. Went on a "collect" one day in my uncle's FJ Holden - I was pretty young -  to loads of SP locations after the races to pick up what seemed to me was a small fortune after a successful go. Sticks in my mind with a shoebox (literally) full of cash (pounds) on my mum's lap.

robs777

Norm Fawcett very good trainer