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dungydungy    9,278 posts
This looks a good race a fair way out
Tranquility,Ranger,Col Correct,Guyno,Imp Jeun,Mega steel,Brandy Lane ,Domicano,Manilla Iscream, will be a good race lets hope they all get there Pikey has a few hard decisions Peters horses look hard to beat

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  • there is a really good kiwi horse who might be coming too - could be a rare good year for the Perth Cup
  • VorgtrafficVorgtraffic    1,755 posts
    waller contemplated sending strike one over i think. Not sure how that's going though.

    which kiwi horse?
  • saintlysaintly    70 posts
    GHS may just be maturing into a very good mile and a half horse 8)
  • SuburbanPunkSuburbanPunk    199 posts
    Bruce Almighty ??
  • DarkDark    909 posts
    If he heads there, put the house on RANGER
  • RazorSharpRazorSharp    439 posts
    Ranger is no hope of running 2400 out strong enough to win a Cup, Guyno is just ticking over nicely, shades to go back on Cup time, Perth Cup strength is a joke over the past few years
  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    ma chienne should be in the mix again
  • BlacksAFakeBlacksAFake    2,379 posts
    Guyno seriously,please no!
  • Allen Mac seems to have Rivotio traveling along nicely ... must rate as some kinda Cup chance.
  • DarkDark    909 posts
    said:

    If he heads there, put the house on RANGER

    Ranger stakes cup claims
    JAY ROONEY, The West Australian December 6, 2010, 7:05

    The BMW Perth Cup is firmly on the radar for classy Ranger, who is likely to bypass the Landscape Development CB Cox Stakes on Saturday week in favour of the ATA Handicap four days later.

    Ranger bounded into Perth Cup (2400m) calculations with a barnstorming run in the Kingston Town Classic (1800m) on Saturday when he flew home from last to run fifth to Playing God.

    Leading owner-breeder Bob Peters said yesterday that the ATA Handicap (2200m) on December 22 was Ranger's likely launching pad into the $400,000 Perth Cup on January 1.

    "It was quite good and certainly the fastest final 600m of the race," said Peters.

    "We've always had the Perth Cup in mind. We might try and avoid the Cox and go to the handicap race."

    Stablemate Tranquility, 10th in the Kingston Town, is likely to tackle the La Trice Classic (1800m) for fillies and mares on December 22 before the cup.

    "She'll go to the mares race and we'll see how she goes after," Peters said.

    Peters is likely to nominate Heart Ache, Talent Show and Highest Honour for Saturday's Starstruck Classic (1600m) - the third leg of the fillies and mares series.

    He said there was no explanation for Heart Ache's failure when last all the way in the Jungle Dawn Classic (1400m) Saturday week ago, with tests clearing her of any abnormalities.

    Jockey William Pike has a big decision pending with Brandy Lane joining Ranger and Tranquility as his options for the Perth Cup. He guided Brandy Lane to a gutsy win in Saturday's GA Towton Cup (2200m) at Ascot.

    "Things just didn't go his way before but they did on Saturday," trainer Ray Saw said.

    "He's entered for the Cox, but we'll see what else is nominated. I'm sure the further they go, the better he'll like it."
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    He won't be flying home like that after travelling an extra 600m before he takes off............

    Got to remember - the straight is the same length. Extra distance is at the start of the race, not the end.
  • said:

    He won't be flying home like that after travelling an extra 600m before he takes off............

    Got to remember - the straight is the same length. Extra distance is at the start of the race, not the end.

    he most likely wont be that far back either
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Has to be big queries about him getting a strong 2400m.
    Hardrada and Storm Alert both only won up to 1600m, although Storm Alert was placed in the VRC Oaks.
    Out of the family Lawmaker was the only one to really get a trip and he was by Old Spice.
    Ranger being by Testa you would have to wonder.....
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    said:

    said:

    He won't be flying home like that after travelling an extra 600m before he takes off............

    Got to remember - the straight is the same length. Extra distance is at the start of the race, not the end.

    he most likely wont be that far back either
    He will be, because owner won't have it any other way
  • said:

    He won't be flying home like that after travelling an extra 600m before he takes off............

    Got to remember - the straight is the same length. Extra distance is at the start of the race, not the end.

    How is the extra distance at the start of the race, once he runs 1800 that is when the extra distance starts.

    I did not see him barnstorming on saturday, got over a couple of tired horses, has no hope in the world of beating I Jeuney, cant see him running a strong 2400, but the Perth Cup now is a joke of a race,
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    What I was saying is they still sprint from the same spot (usually regarded as 600m, but more like 800+ if they're chasing IJ or the likes), but having travelled 600m further up to that point he will be tireder (that a word ?) hence wouldn't have the same sprint.

    Doubt IJ will be in it. Copped 11 points for running 2nd :shock: , so would have to carry too much weight now
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    What I was saying is they still sprint from the same spot (usually regarded as 600m, but more like 800+ if they're chasing IJ or the likes), but having travelled 600m further up to that point he will be tireder (that a word ?) hence wouldn't have the same sprint.

    Doubt IJ will be in it. Copped 11 points for running 2nd :shock: , so would have to carry too much weight now

    it was a wfa age race, and as horses could meet each other relatively much different to if it was a handicap, i wonder how he can justify that.
    different rules should apply.
    according to the template that gets you 60.5 in an open handicap.
    it ran 5th in a stronger race(and a hcp) last time with 52 and stayed on 90.
    you've been done over tivers, especially after looking at what has happened to others in the race.

    more evidence for me about what i already knew.
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Not much of an incentive (to invest) is it.
    So hard to get a good one, then as soon as you do they handicap them out.
    All the effort and noise the club makes about trying to attract good horses and upgrade races, yet the good ones they have they (the other powers) shoo away.
    Puzzling..............
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    a wfa race is nearly always weaker than a comparative hcp, because in wfa both good and BAD horses will carry equal weights, if they are the same age, and because most 4yo+ horses will likely carry more than they would if it was a hcp.
    therefore the same rules should not apply, and you can't re-handicap horses the same as if it was a handicap.

    whatever, tivers, you should probably disagree with anything i say, coz i know i am in your handicappers bad books, although i have no idea why, as i just tell the truth as i see it.
    you may get looked on more favourably then!
  • snipersniper    236 posts
    I wouldn't like to see IMpressive Journey run in the cup, I really think there is a big race in her over East, her value would rise more by being set for and winning a big race over East than running in our shitty Perth Cup that knowone recognises anymore.
  • slipatiptomeslipatiptome    3,351 posts
    Maybe you got a bit excited on the keyboard Sniper but you have made the same error quite a few in the media make. The horse is Impressive Jeuney which was very well named after the sire Jeune. Unlike those others in the media at least Darren Mac calls it correctly.

    Those contributors to this forum connected with the horse were unlucky on Saturday but congratulations on having such a talented and honest performer and we hope there are quite a few more wins in store for you.
  • DarkDark    909 posts
    Breeding is one thing yes, but i cant see how anyone that has seen all of RANGERS runs this prep thinks he wont get 2400...

    Guess the odds i will get will be better than expected then :lol:
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    I've seen em all . . . and don't think he'll get 2400 :lol:

    Horse has too many tricks, jock stated publicly last week 'he can't be ridden like the best horse in the race'.

    One thing finishing off in a 1.49 1800, finishing off in a 2400 where they won't be dawdling is a different kettle of fish (unless the tactics on a certain little grey mare have changed :roll: )

    Trainer/owner seem to be in love with Perth Cup, EVERYTHING is set for it :lol:
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    I've seen em all . . . and don't think he'll get 2400 :lol:

    Horse has too many tricks, jock stated publicly last week 'he can't be ridden like the best horse in the race'.

    One thing finishing off in a 1.49 1800, finishing off in a 2400 where they won't be dawdling is a different kettle of fish (unless the tactics on a certain little grey mare have changed :roll: )

    Trainer/owner seem to be in love with Perth Cup, EVERYTHING is set for it :lol:

    Another Blackfriars!
  • DarkDark    909 posts
    The little grey mare just isnt going well this prep unfortunately, im a big fan and have wasted a few coins on her this prep, actually backed her and LORDS RANSOM last year, but she'd be about 10 lengths off where she was this time last year imo

    Agree, the owner is obsessed with this race. I wouldnt be heading there with TRANQUILITY though
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    said:

    The little grey mare just isnt going well this prep unfortunately, im a big fan and have wasted a few coins on her this prep, actually backed her and LORDS RANSOM last year, but she'd be about 10 lengths off where she was this time last year imo

    Agree, the owner is obsessed with this race. I wouldnt be heading there with TRANQUILITY though

    Wrong little grey mare :lol:
  • Brett10Brett10    79 posts
    Surely Guyno would be a chance with the shades on?

    Testa Rossa did sire Testafiable, who won a SA Derby and Testa Grande, who won a Canberra Cup.

    What's to say Ranger can't run a trip?
  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    He wants to win the race every year as he sponsors it.
  • jesteressjesteress    103 posts
    c waller's got about 8 that would beat this lot...bring back the two mile pls.
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    5 horse fields at Randwick on the wet only slightly different to full field around Ascot concrete when its 40 degrees . . . .
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