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Kingston Town Classic Final field and market

West Australian Racing
tonytony    2,436 posts
edited November -1 West Australian Racing
Barrier Draw midday tomorrow

DAKAS GEM 38107 51.00 11.00 $ $
EL PRESIDENTE 38108 2.20 1.24
GLORY HUNTER 38113 15.00 3.80
GREY MONARCH 38114 18.00 4.40
GUYNO 38115 8.00 2.40
HARTLEYS DREAM 38117 18.00 4.40
KIA ORA MISS 38123 71.00 15.00
MANSION HOUSE 38126 13.00 3.40
MEGATIC 38148 5.50 1.90
MIDTIME 38149 201.00 41.00
NEW SPICE 38131 12.00 3.20
PERESTROIKA 38135 35.00 7.80
ROYAL LOTT 38136 51.00 11.00
WESTERLY BREEZE 38145 15.00 3.80
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  • CochieCochie    42 posts
    Mansion House nice odds
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  • RichoRichoManRichoRichoMan    78 posts
    Daka's Gem very tempting at 11.00 the place
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  • rompzrompz    206 posts
    new spice should be just bout right in this with a nice barrier and might just take a nibble on kia ora miss at the big price , also royal lott big price too
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  • neuchneuch    619 posts
    MrsH, will Paul make the 52kg?
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  • ICEICE    683 posts
    AT trackwork today i would say Paul was 51kg 8)
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  • StreetRuffianStreetRuffian    457 posts
    MEGATIC Go you good thing
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  • Unknown
    i spoke to someone that knew connections of Hartley's and they said leading up to the railway that if the horse didnt come out and run a decent race and show kind of form, it was to be retired...
    i guess the horse still has alot more racing ahead of it after its cracker in the railway, i'll be on it with a small investment each way but Guyno is the one to beat for mine!![/b]
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  • bartfargbartfarg    667 posts
    did the noms fall away? How does Midtime and Grey Monarch get into that field?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Obviously so, yeah........
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Lambton Castle was excluded from the field at the handicappers discretion yet Midtime was allowed in??????

    Betchya Lindsay Smith is furious.

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    HISTORY
    Year Horse Trainer Jockey Weight Price Bar Time Last 600m2006 Niconero D A Hayes B Rawiller 58 $6.00 9 1.47.47 34.21
    2005 Early Express P J Giadresco J Whiting 58 $21.00 2 1.48.40 35.26
    2004 Modem T M Andrews P Harvey 58 $4.60 6 1.50.13 35.10
    2003 True Steel M M Payne C Harvey 58 $26.00 10 2.03.60 35.66 *run at Belmont over 2000m
    2002 Blevvo D R Harrison P Farrell 58 $26.00 7 1.52.18 35.57
    2001 Old Comrade L Smith P Harvey 57.5 $2.60 13 1.50.09 34.68
    2000 Old Comrade L Smith P Harvey 52 $4.00 2 1.36.29 35.88 *run over 1600m
    1999 St. Clemens Belle R Cameron J Cassidy 55.5 $3.50 4 1.34.97 35.58 *run over 1600m
    1998 Old Nick G D Harper P Knuckey 50 $3.70 10 1.48.86 36.13
    1997 Summer Beau R S Taylor D Miller 57 $4.00 1 1.48.50 36.75


    Some fantastic gallopers have won this over the years and the best have even won it twice including Old Comrade and Summer Beau.

    For mine this race will always have a lasting place in Australian racing history and I hope it never loses its current title. Superstarts to have won from the east include the mighty Kingston Town plus Betten Loosen Up, Vo Rogue, Military Plume, and Family Of Man (x2)
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    How can a horse be excluded when there isn't a capacity field?
    Surely if Mr Smith nominated the handicapper couldnt use his discretion untill final declarations are taken???
    Maybe Lindsay never accepted.......

    Cheers
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    According to racing radio this morning the horse was accepted for, the handicapper deemed it not good enough to get a run because it didnt have a city win.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    They can do that.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    They can do that.

    Apparently so - yet we see horses with terrible form line up week after week in city class and get beaten 10+ lengths.

    Its not like Lambton Castle has been struggling - Mr Smith has been placing it to win and it has clearly been dominant - I would have felt it deserved to go round if the owners were prepared to pay the entry fee.

    Im certain it wouldn't have been the roughiest chance in the race.
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  • VoodooVoodoo    1,361 posts
    Thats disgracefull......very unfortunate for the horses connections.

    Cheers
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Quite reguarly though trainers do get told by the stewards not to bring a certain horse back again. (go through some stewards reports and have a look).
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    why would you restrict the runners in an already depleted race?
    the carnival has been lacking enough already this year and the handicapper takes it upon himself to strangle it even further?
    I think Lambton Castle would have been an interesting runner.
    If he has such discretion, why didnt he refuse half the field from the Aquanita last weekend?? :huh:
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Would have actually have called off the race rather if they were going to do that. Considering there ended up being only 6 1/2 lengths between first and last !!! :wink:
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    Quite reguarly though trainers do get told by the stewards not to bring a certain horse back again. (go through some stewards reports and have a look).

    yeah I did know that - was conviently not mentioning it - they could do the same with Lambton - let it run, then send it back to provincials - I doubt they would need to tho
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    quality of fields has been poor all carnival and now they are taking a stand against a particular horse saying it is not worthy? (A horse that has won four in a row mind you, trained by a bloke who has proven he can pull off the big wins).
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  • petersstablepetersstable    62 posts
    What an absolute disgrace.

    Would Lambton Castle be @ $201 on fixed odds? I think not.

    This horse is flying and I admit that it would be difficult to see it winning but if you have owners willing to throw their horse in the deep end only to be told "Sorry but even though we do not have a full field in our states second biggest race, your horse cannot run".

    Very ordinary decision which doesn't seem to have taken him too long to make.

    David Hunter, once again, take a good hard look at yourself.
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  • petersstablepetersstable    62 posts
    Can we add Lambton Castle to the poll.
    :D :D :D
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  • petersstablepetersstable    62 posts
    Pike riding Grey Monarch.

    Anyone heard any news re: his appeal?
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    Pike's appeal scheduled to be heard Thursday pm
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  • loose_gooseloose_goose    2,135 posts
    said:

    What an absolute disgrace.

    Would Lambton Castle be @ $201 on fixed odds? I think not.

    This horse is flying and I admit that it would be difficult to see it winning but if you have owners willing to throw their horse in the deep end only to be told "Sorry but even though we do not have a full field in our states second biggest race, your horse cannot run".

    Very ordinary decision which doesn't seem to have taken him too long to make.

    David Hunter, once again, take a good hard look at yourself.

    Is this gospel, or are you relying on Racing Radio ? . Bet this has happened in the Cox Plate and similar ilk of race.
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  • rompzrompz    206 posts
    i agree with not letting it run , it aint proved it self here to race in the second biggest race in wa, wat if it gets in the way of the horse ur on or own and blocks it for the run or severly checks it then im sure people would be saying the oppisite saying how can a horse with no city wins get into the race
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  • petersstablepetersstable    62 posts
    It has happened in the Cox Plate before and that horse was Elvstroem when he was a 3yo. The rest is history.

    This race is not in the same ilk so cannot compare.

    If this was a full field - then fine ballot it out - BUT its not.

    If your a punter, without owners you would have nothing to punt to on (at the races that is).

    If your owner, your horse is in very good form (it beat a metro winner at its last start), what would you do/how would you feel.

    Very hard to swallow for connections in my opinion.
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  • RodentRodent    7,446 posts
    Change the race to an invitation if you're going to do that (exclude LC). I disagree with the decision but I guess if you give discretionary powers, this can happen. The horse has never been beyond 1400m and never raced in town so I guess it's not the worst decision ever. He would have been an interesting runner nonetheless.
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  • DarrahDarrah    2,933 posts
    I would like to get an official version from David Hunter instead of all the speculation. What everyone is saying may be true but then again it may not. There are several variables here.

    I shall endeavour to find out this morning.......stand by !
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  • ChrisChris    5,697 posts
    Glory Hunter scratched
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