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SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
edited February 2013 West Australian Racing
I think it is time that the WATC and RWWA start thinking of bringing the ASCOT racetrack and its facilities into the 21st century. There is so much land not being utilised and most of the buildings are just outdated.

Here is a couple of idea's I have,
1. Knock down the grandstand and build a new one right next to the track like at Moonee Valley and also the parade ring for the horses could have trees all around it so it is not so hot for people or the horses.
2. The current system of the horses being saddled up in the trackwork stalls is a bit hit and miss as most trainers saddle out the back and the public don't get to see, what if the huge area that used to be the bookies ring could be turned into a horse stall area like Flemington all wood stalls it does look really good.

So what do you guy's think is there any merit in what I have said and if you have any other idea's feel free to voice them.

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  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    cleaning the tiles would be a great start...havent been cleaned since the joint was built...its a Forrest up there!!
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    not sure i'm in love with ouor ideas, but i do llike the direction.

    the grandstand is a serious issue..you need to get people on top of the track like you suggest and the parade ring and other activities need to be seen by the members and public alike..

    the current set up doesn't get the people connected to what is going on...Lots of clubs do that really well...but next to none in WA
  • plugerpluger    774 posts
    RIO said:

    you need to get people on top of the track

    you need to get the people to the track 1st..
    good crowd at cannington last night by the looks, free entry goes along way on big days...
  • TorpedoPuntTorpedoPunt    1,891 posts
    needs something for sure. I like what Crown have done in recent times to win back the people. Obviously nothing that dramatic for Ascot but needs a facelift..
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    and, pray tell, where would the money come from?
    from what i have heard, they haven't got 2 bob to rub together...
  • Before u do any of that get some jockeys that can ride that be a good start some of the rides yesterday were up there withn worst I have seen in 10 years.
  • TorpedoPuntTorpedoPunt    1,891 posts
    and as long as they do nothing they will will stay that way Falc.

    surely they have some assets they can flog off?
  • TorpedoPuntTorpedoPunt    1,891 posts
    Stop betting on Perth races for goodness sake Mailman. I backed Military Secret yesterday as well just so happens you
    have to take the rough with the smooth. How good was J.Browns ride on Magnifiosa? Getting 3.5kg of Grey Cheval and we got a price because of the tricky gate!
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts

    and as long as they do nothing they will will stay that way Falc.

    surely they have some assets they can flog off?


    assets like Helena Vale, the WATC offices in Perth City, all the land in Canning Vale all sold......who to you may ask........gentleman who were on the committee at the time ;)

  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Come you guy's there is plenty of land that is not being utilised, just imagine what could be done if they had some forward thinking people involved . There are car parks that are only used for the big events most other days they just sit there vacant, build a new office complex on course then develop its current site , there is a shortage of hotels in Perth why not attempt something like what is happening currently at Randwick plus what is happening with that eyesore of old kilns it has been like that for ages ( not sure if they own it ) they just need to utilise what they currently own make it more user friendly.
  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    I think it is time that the WATC and RWWA start thinking of bringing the ASCOT racetrack and its facilities into the 21st century. There is so much land not being utilised and most of the buildings are just outdated.

    Here is a couple of idea's I have,
    1. Knock down the grandstand and build a new one right next to the track like at Moonee Valley and also the parade ring for the horses could have trees all around it so it is not so hot for people or the horses.
    2. The current system of the horses being saddled up in the trackwork stalls is a bit hit and miss as most trainers saddle out the back and the public don't get to see, what if the huge area that used to be the bookies ring could be turned into a horse stall area like Flemington all wood stalls it does look really good.

    So what do you guy's think is there any merit in what I have said and if you have any other idea's feel free to voice them.


    Unfortunately the mismanagement of the industry by RWWA and PR, over an extended period of time, have seen the many areas of racing fall behind.

    RWWA has thrown its hands in the air and told the government they can no longer fund industry infrastructure.

    RWWA and PR refuse to take any responsibility for the financial position of racing.

    Small field sizes, ongoing integrity issues, Ozbet`s archaic website (despite recent overhaul of the system), Players ongoing poor customer service, RWWA and PR blaming punters using corporates(instead of tackling real issues), PR`s financial management and a general history of poor decision making are just some of the reasons the racing industry has many problems.

    All these issues have a financial impact on the racing industry.

    While many areas of racing need upgrades, the simple fact is there isn`t any money and RWWA and PR`s poor management,coupled with a general lack of government support, has contributed to it.


  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Has there been any money come in from the Belmont development yet if so that should help ?????
  • PolarPolar    45 posts
    Spudley is somewhere on the track , however ascots biggest problem is the shape of the track , it has a terrible
    turn and a short straight .
    It's not a fair track and dangerous as horses run to tight on the turn as they don't want to get flung out wide on the turn .
    Should have moved out of there years ago and struck up a deal with the gov and sourced some land for a new super track and training facilities in exchange for the ascot land which is prime real estate .
  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Polar I thought that when they re-built the track there was a camber put in so that a horse coming wide around the bend got some sort of kick along, plus do yourself a favour and look at the google map of the track and you easily see where a lot of changes could be made if there is someone at PR who wants to have a crack. Just think what is possible if you have the drive to achieve.
  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    Has there been any money come in from the Belmont development yet if so that should help ?????

    Haha, surely you jest.

    The money they have seen so far is just being used to pay off debts they have racked up.

    Generations of incestuous, self-serving management will eventually come home to roost...and soon
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    we've been hearing that ol chestnut statement for years, radman.
    there is not one person with the capability and/or guts to stand up and say; "what in the hell has been going on...i want answers and i want action..."
    one person could have had a go but has been beaten into submission.
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    who tete?
  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Give me the power and I could organise something so vote 1 SPUDLEY
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Radman said:

    SPUDLEY said:

    Has there been any money come in from the Belmont development yet if so that should help ?????

    Haha, surely you jest.

    The money they have seen so far is just being used to pay off debts they have racked up.

    Generations of incestuous, self-serving management will eventually come home to roost...and soon
    Argh Radman...lucky you don't have a membership card, cos you'd lose it saying stuff like that.

    the Belmont advance has been primarily used to reduce debt - about half of it has been set aside for Belmont and Ascot upgrades once the green light is given. if the Belmont project falls over, PR has a debt that has to be repaid to Golden Shower.....IMO that debt would cripple and be the end of PR in it's current format. It cant produce the income to service the debt of about 10mil it had before, let alone the half of the 25mil they have used to reduce that debt and prop up the past 2 negative profit seasons.

    in those 2 seasons they have contributed next to no money to stakes money, and next to no money on infrastructure investment..Even the simplest of us would understand that on that basis, going to a bank to ask them to finance a business that is running at a lose..not servicing a debt and doing nothing to improve the market they are in would be a major risk....And they would be going, asking for 15mil to keep the Not For Profit operation going.....

    it may be the best or worst thing for our industry....but IF..I repeat IF the Belmont development doesn't go ahead - for any reason - IMO there will need to be real change to metro racing. The decision may well be taken away from the club..the government may reclaim the Ascot land - it is leased - and force the club to take ground elsewhere, which may not be ideal for racing...but then again it may be sensational for it also..

    A lot about PR and the future of Metro racing hangs on the Belmont Development..IMO

    i would so much have liked PR to have done a land and development swap for the football stadium, so that they could control the development of any new racing venue....but a lot of strong headed people felt different at the time.

    march 2nd meeting may be interesting!!!!!!
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited February 2013
    SPUDLEY said:

    Give me the power and I could organise something so vote 1 SPUDLEY

    unfortunately one person on a board cant have that sort of impact..but i reckon change is only about 1 person away ;)
  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts

    we've been hearing that ol chestnut statement for years, radman.
    there is not one person with the capability and/or guts to stand up and say; "what in the hell has been going on...i want answers and i want action..."
    one person could have had a go but has been beaten into submission.

    Selling off assets to keep the wolf from the door is fine, until of course there is no assets left.

    The day of reckoning will come soon enough, and the current committee/management will be running away like brown's cows.

    Delusions greatest enemy is the truth.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,411 posts
    edited February 2013

    who tete?

    Where is Tete La Course these days?

  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    You could have knocked me over with a feather that nothing is happening at Belmont or is likely to happen at Belmont, what a shock.

    Anyone and I repeat anyone who attempts to expose the continual mismanagment of the racing industry and the associated problems is subject to the sort of stuff I was subjected to.

    The mainstream media is totally subservient to RWWA and Perth Racing due to vested interest and has been decades now which achieves nothing but the creation of a vicious incestuous relationship that ensures the truth never comes out and that nothing ever changes.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I'm pretty sure Ascot is only leased, so pretty hard to sell off land you don't own....
  • AquanitaAquanita    566 posts
    I think you are right Funkster. Belmont owned, Ascot leased.
  • senseisensei    100 posts
    Correct. My mail had Colin Barnett willing to 'gift' Ascot to Perth racing and its members in exchange for an agreement to sell Belmont at market value. Racing would also receive a greenfield site along the freeway at a discounted rate and a contribution to the construction cost of a new facility.

    Instead we did a deal heavily weighted in Golden Groups favour on the very morning that the Premier was going to put this offer on the table. I can't prove it but this came from political contacts not from Perth racing leaks.


  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    I am pretty sure another group had a very lucrative deal set for Perth Racing ex Premier brokered the deal, was very very lucrative
  • senseisensei    100 posts
    Instead we can't even afford a guard on the gate at the members now. I think Perth Racing is G O N E.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    i believe you are correct, sensei.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts
    not dear old brian, piston? ^:)^
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