Saturday 17th December - CB Cox Stakes

TheDiva · December 2011

Final field is out for the CB Cox. Interesting Daniel Staeck is back but D Dunn was booked a week or so ago for Kincaple.

also the Starstruck, Crawford and St Leger

C.B. COX STAKES
Group II - 3 YEARS OLD & UPWARDS
Prize Money: Of: $225,000 (and trophies valued at $2,000); 1st: $137,000 (inc. trophies); 2nd: $45,000; 3rd: $20,250; 4th: $9,000; 5th: $5,625; 6th: $3,375; 7th: $3,375; 8th: $3,375
Distance and Weight: 2100 metres

1 LORDS RANSOM 14 59 m105 GRANT WILLIAMS
2 GOD HAS SPOKEN B 9 59 m99 STEVEN PARNHAM N PARNHAM
3 RANGER B 4 59 m110 WILLIAM PIKE GRANT WILLIAMS
4 BATTLE EMBLEM B 13 59 m99 KYRA YUILL GRANT WILLIAMS
5 MEGA STEEL 8 59 m98 JARRAD NOSKE BRUCE MC CLUNE
6 KINCAPLE(NZ) B 7 59 m99 DWAYNE DUNN MARK B. REED
7 DOUBLE BARREL B 3 59 m90 ADAM DURRANT
8 INSURGENCY B 11 59 m87 DANIEL STAECK GARRY DELANE
9 SAINT ENCOSTA B 5 59 m90 JASON BROWN JOHN P THOMPSON
10 BIG TED B 10 59 m91 IVAN HAGGERTY
11 RINGMEISTER 1 59 m87 PAUL HARVEY LINDSEY SMITH
12 WHIPSAW 2 59 m95 SHAUN O'DONNELL DEAN WHITE
13 TRANQUILITY B 6 57 m92 JASON WHITING GRANT WILLIAMS
14 MALAIKA B 12 57 m73 TROY TURNER DONNA BAILLIE

Punter · December 2011

gee Kincaple looks the goods here. Flying lately and the distance will suit.

darkshines · December 2011

Flying lately? Going OK, not sure 'flying' would be a good label.

darkshines · December 2011

Copperfield has worked some magic on Ringmeister's rating. Shown on CRIS currently as m87, earlier this morning (when I downloaded field) he was m88.

And was m84 before winning last start - isnt the minimum penalty 4 points?

Bet a tenor it's changed within an hour :lol:

dungy · December 2011

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Copperfield has worked some magic on Ringmeister's rating. Shown on CRIS currently as m87, earlier this morning (when I downloaded field) he was m88.

And was m84 before winning last start - isnt the minimum penalty 4 points?

Bet a tenor it's changed within an hour :lol:

I would have thought Ponty would stuck with Tranquility as i thought the run was good in the KT i dont give Ringmeister a chance it fell in aginst Oscar Wildly :lol: :lol: last start

H-BOMBER · December 2011

I'll be on Lords Ransom here.

A while ago I earmarked this as the race to get on, and while the barrier isnt ideal, I think hes ready to show his best. I thought the run in the KT had merit, with the second quickest sectional behind Ranger, who got a great inside run. Will be interested to see the price, I am expecting at least 11-1. Hopefully he can be withing striking distance at the corner instead of out the back looking for the short cuts.

dungy · December 2011

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gee Kincaple looks the goods here. Flying lately and the distance will suit.

Lords Ransom went past it like it was stuck to the fence in the KT ?? was still beaten 2-3 L from Ranger couldnt see KC beating Ranger or Lords Ransom TBH

TheFunkster · December 2011

Anyone know when weights come out for the Perth Cup :?:
There's one I like for the cup, but if it wins the CB Cox it may get cruicified by the handicapper

TheDiva · December 2011

Victab are up:

179921 RANGER 2.00 1.18
179925 KINCAPLE 7.00 2.09
179929 TRANQUILITY 7.00 2.09
179922 LORDS RANSOM 9.00 2.45
179923 BATTLE EMBLEM 9.50 2.54
179924 GOD HAS SPOKEN 18.00 4.09
179935 RINGMEISTER 26.00 5.54
179933 SAINT ENCOSTA 31.00 6.45
179932 DOUBLE BARREL 61.00 11.90
179927 WHIPSAW 61.00 11.90
179926 MEGA STEEL 61.00 11.90
179941 MALAIKA 101.00 19.18
179936 INSURGENCY 101.00 19.18
179931 BIG TED 101.00 19.18

showtime · December 2011

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I'll be on Lords Ransom here.

A while ago I earmarked this as the race to get on, and while the barrier isnt ideal, I think hes ready to show his best. I thought the run in the KT had merit, with the second quickest sectional behind Ranger, who got a great inside run. Will be interested to see the price, I am expecting at least 11-1. Hopefully he can be withing striking distance at the corner instead of out the back looking for the short cuts.

yea LR hit the line real nice for mine too.. starting to get the real good sense of timing about it now... even though i think Ranger should be hard to beat with any luck, LR has been ticking along without much notice

dungy · December 2011

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I'll be on Lords Ransom here.

A while ago I earmarked this as the race to get on, and while the barrier isnt ideal, I think hes ready to show his best. I thought the run in the KT had merit, with the second quickest sectional behind Ranger, who got a great inside run. Will be interested to see the price, I am expecting at least 11-1. Hopefully he can be withing striking distance at the corner instead of out the back looking for the short cuts.
yea LR hit the line real nice for mine too.. starting to get the real good sense of timing about it now... even though i think Ranger should be hard to beat with any luck, LR has been ticking along without much notice

Race to race for me would be Ranger in the Cox Stakes into Lords Ransom in the Cup

Jezabeel · December 2011

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Anyone know when weights come out for the Perth Cup :?:
There's one I like for the cup, but if it wins the CB Cox it may get cruicified by the handicapper

I thought horses that win at weight-for-age can't get more weight? It's a bit like if a horse wins the Mackinnon Stakes enroute to the Melbourne Cup - it can't get more weight for the Melbourne Cup.

I wouldnt have thought the Cox Stakes winner would get more weight for the Perth Cup as the Cox Stakes is a weight-for-age race.

Jezabeel.

darkshines · December 2011

Only if weights are out. My understanding is these days weights are declared for PC after this race. Ie if Ranger wins and goes to 114, he'll be weighted to that. Most certainly if he wins, but even if he loses I doubt Ranger will be in PC.

Jezabeel · December 2011

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Only if weights are out. My understanding is these days weights are declared for PC after this race. Ie if Ranger wins and goes to 114, he'll be weighted to that. Most certainly if he wins, but even if he loses I doubt Ranger will be in PC.

Ok so if for example: weights are already out for the Perth Cup and a horse has 53kg in the Perth Cup, and comes out and wins the Cox Stakes at weight-for-age - then that horse can't be re-handicapped?

I think im on the right track now.

So I guess thats why Mackinnon winners dont get re-handicapped for the Melbourne Cup..........because weights for the Melbourne Cup are already out. But if for example weights for the Melbourne Cup were not out and a horse wins the Mackinnon - then that horse could be re-handicapped.

Jezabeel.

PC · December 2011

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Only if weights are out. My understanding is these days weights are declared for PC after this race. Ie if Ranger wins and goes to 114, he'll be weighted to that. Most certainly if he wins, but even if he loses I doubt Ranger will be in PC.

Ok so if for example: weights are already out for the Perth Cup and a horse has 53kg in the Perth Cup, and comes out and wins the Cox Stakes at weight-for-age - then that horse can't be re-handicapped?

I think im on the right track now.

So I guess thats why Mackinnon winners dont get re-handicapped for the Melbourne Cup..........because weights for the Melbourne Cup are already out. But if for example weights for the Melbourne Cup were not out and a horse wins the Mackinnon - then that horse could be re-handicapped.

Jezabeel.

Spot on Jezabeel, your on the right track now. That's why Cox stakes winners can be re-handicapped simply because PC weights are not out yet.

Also remembering that it is up to the handicapper if a horse gets a penalty or not, and if a horse does get a penalty it's up to the handicapper how much more weight a horse gets.

Cheers,
PC.

ericwandu · December 2011

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Only if weights are out. My understanding is these days weights are declared for PC after this race. Ie if Ranger wins and goes to 114, he'll be weighted to that. Most certainly if he wins, but even if he loses I doubt Ranger will be in PC.

dont the weights come out today

darkshines · December 2011

said:

said:
Only if weights are out. My understanding is these days weights are declared for PC after this race. Ie if Ranger wins and goes to 114, he'll be weighted to that. Most certainly if he wins, but even if he loses I doubt Ranger will be in PC.
dont the weights come out today

Could do, I didn't know for sure.

They are able to tinker with the weights at acceptances these days yeah? Toppie (Ranger) will come out, meaning the other two cerise and white up top (LR and BE) will steal a kilo or more from the minimum weighted runners (most of field) unless the spread is adjusted (instead of the whole field just going up to ensure minimum topweight, like they used to)

TheDiva · December 2011

Maschino, 1600m, 53kg, pace on...........

Race 7, ASCOT, Saturday 17/12/2011 (as at 13/12/2011 3:50 PM)
Race 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 12:00 AM B & T WATSON HANDICAP
3 YEARS OLD & UPWARDS (Ratings Race 80+)
Prize Money: Of: $47,500; 1st: $30,875; 2nd: $9,500; 3rd: $4,275; 4th: $1,900; 5th: $950
Distance and Weight: 1600 metres, minimum 53 kg
RBH: METRO - 80+ 80+

# Horse Bl St Br Wgt Rtg Rider Trainer
1 GREY MONARCH 7 62 m98 JOSEPH AZZOPARDI IVAN HAGGERTY
2 WOLFE DREAMS 1 59.5 m93 STEVE WOLFE
3 ROCKY RANGE B 8 59 m92 ALAN MATHEWS
4 PREMARDAL 5 58.5 m91 TODD HARVEY
5 GUM NUT GURU 3 58 m90 RENEE FORREST JUSTIN WARWICK
6 DEMPSEY 9 55.5 m85 NEVILLE PARNHAM
7 SARATIME B 6 55.5 m85 NEVILLE PARNHAM
8 MASCHINO 4 53 m78 KYRA YUILL GRAHAM YUILL
9 OSCAR WILDLY 2 53 m76 NEVILLE PARKER

dungy · December 2011

said:
Maschino, 1600m, 53kg, pace on...........

Race 7, ASCOT, Saturday 17/12/2011 (as at 13/12/2011 3:50 PM)
Race 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 12:00 AM B & T WATSON HANDICAP
3 YEARS OLD & UPWARDS (Ratings Race 80+)
Prize Money: Of: $47,500; 1st: $30,875; 2nd: $9,500; 3rd: $4,275; 4th: $1,900; 5th: $950
Distance and Weight: 1600 metres, minimum 53 kg
RBH: METRO - 80+ 80+

# Horse Bl St Br Wgt Rtg Rider Trainer
1 GREY MONARCH 7 62 m98 JOSEPH AZZOPARDI IVAN HAGGERTY
2 WOLFE DREAMS 1 59.5 m93 STEVE WOLFE
3 ROCKY RANGE B 8 59 m92 ALAN MATHEWS
4 PREMARDAL 5 58.5 m91 TODD HARVEY
5 GUM NUT GURU 3 58 m90 RENEE FORREST JUSTIN WARWICK
6 DEMPSEY 9 55.5 m85 NEVILLE PARNHAM
7 SARATIME B 6 55.5 m85 NEVILLE PARNHAM
8 MASCHINO 4 53 m78 KYRA YUILL GRAHAM YUILL
9 OSCAR WILDLY 2 53 m76 NEVILLE PARKER

Maschino is a bigger moral than last week smaller field will help ,what price lads ?? 1.90 at best ??

darkshines · December 2011

Why isn't Diamond Dan on Kincaple? MR's don't win within him steering.

Punter · December 2011

Mashino is just a Moral.

Chris · December 2011

Did I hear Darren call him the Mighty M?

dungy · December 2011

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Why isn't Diamond Dan on Kincaple? MR's don't win within him steering.

Good point DS something a bit fishy Staekys very tight with the stable and they go and book DDunn for both races interesting i actually dont reckon the horse is going that well would need to find 3L to win the cup but the money keeos flowing for him

TheDiva · December 2011

wouldnt say it was fishy.
Staecky has been out of the saddle for a few months, first week back from injury. I think Reed has played the better percentages by getting a top class rider who is fully fit.
Williams, McEvoy, Rawiller etc have proven time and time again that they can come over and win the big races.
D Dunn is a class act. Trevor has also taken the opportunity to book him on another runner, which has paid off over the carnival for him.

keymeup · December 2011

i think whipsaw is a sneaky chance in this race at $41

dungy · December 2011

This looks a great punting day on the cards .

Elusive Image [scorn saxon form from yesterday looks good ]
Maschino LOAD UP I SAY
Caves Rd a good thing Ponty down to 54.5kg
Morning Mist just wins
Ranger with the gate will be of the paint a bit short though
Ladysea [brilliant win in weaker company last start happy to stick
Desire Path / Lisetta

Good Punting

Unknown · December 2011

Maschino is in a 7 horse field

if you listen to Wes it has less chance because favorites get rolled in small fields by the roughie

could be the lay of the day

AceV · December 2011

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could be the lay of the day

Could also be the best horse in WA!! :wink:

Dec · December 2011

See Gumnut Guru has Winkers On. You'd think at the 21st start of his campaign they might have worked out his gear! :lol:

TheDiva · December 2011

IMPORTANT:

CRIS says All Friared Up has bar shoes on front. Also, today's paper confirms this (story in The West).

However, Stan Bates states on the radio that All Friared UP will definitely not wear bar shoes.

H-BOMBER · December 2011

Wheres Pratty, he'll know for sure. I'd be inclined to believe the trainer...

G'day Punter!

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